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Australians should never have been in a position in the first place where we were relying on America’s good graces to save an Australian domestic political problem at a moment when an American election was being fought on the refugee issue.

Let’s repeat: a deal of questionable probity was struck with an outgoing American administration in contradiction with the policy impulses of an incoming replacement.


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World leaders should get used with this attitude of US .. next 4 years will be tough and depressing for world leaders
 
World leaders should kick the US ambassadors out and recall theirs in. Why should anyone get used to this crap.


World leaders should get used with this attitude of US .. next 4 years will be tough and depressing for world leaders
 
It looks like trump's grand strategy against China is to piss off every and any of his potential allies before he take on China, thats very scary.:lol:

At this rate, by next week he may declare war against europe and UK.

I am more and more incline to believe trump works as a undercover agent for China:rofl:
 
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It looks like trump's grand strategy against China is to piss off every and any of his potential allies before he take on China, thats very scary.:lol:

At this rate, by next week he may declare war against europe and UK.

I am more and more incline to believe trump works as a undercover agent for China:rofl:

Not China, but Russia. Putin put Trump in the White House.
 
Australians should never have been in a position in the first place where we were relying on America’s good graces to save an Australian domestic political problem at a moment when an American election was being fought on the refugee issue.

Let’s repeat: a deal of questionable probity was struck with an outgoing American administration in contradiction with the policy impulses of an incoming replacement.


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Why should the US take the refugees Australia has stranded for years on a remote island?
Apparently a large percentage of them are from Iran.

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Why should the US take the refugees Australia has stranded for years on a remote island?
Apparently a large percentage of them are from Iran.

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To be fair, we (Australian) all know the deal is going to back out if Trump got elected. It's political 101 to NEVER negotiating a deal with a outgoing government (aka Obama) The deal is a simply deal between US and Australia.

Trump don't see fair and don't want to honor the deal? That's actually fine, it's never actually about the deal, it's pissing off Australian because Trump treated out PM like one of their contestant on his TV show. This is about how trump is, not how the American government approach the deal.

But then we all know this kind of antics will happen when we (referring myself as an American now) voted trump in the office.
 
To be fair, we (Australian) all know the deal is going to back out if Trump got elected. It's political 101 to NEVER negotiating a deal with a outgoing government (aka Obama) The deal is a simply deal between US and Australia.

Trump don't see fair and don't want to honor the deal? That's actually fine, it's never actually about the deal, it's pissing off Australian because Trump treated out PM like one of their contestant on his TV show. This is about how trump is, not how the American government approach the deal.

But then we all know this kind of antics will happen when we (referring myself as an American now) voted trump in the office.

So what's up with all these Iranians getting on boats and going to Australia? Are they fleeing the spillover from Iraq or it purely economic?

Seems the Iranian government is not being helpful about them either.
https://www.theguardian.com/austral...sylum-seekers-who-have-been-forcibly-returned

Iran refuses to take back asylum seekers who have been forcibly returned
The Iranian foreign affairs minister, Mohammad Javad Zarif, says his country would not accept any of its citizens repatriated against their will

The Australian foreign affairs minister, Julie Bishop, with her Iranian counterpart, Mohammad Javad Zarif, in Canberra on Tuesday. Zarif says Iran will not take back asylum seekers who have been forcibly returned. Photograph: Lukas Coch/EPA

Iran has scotched a proposed deal to forcibly return Iranian asylum seekers from Australia and from offshore detention.

The Iranian foreign affairs minister, Mohammad Javad Zarif, said in Canberra on Tuesday that Iran would not accept any of its citizens being repatriated against their will.

“We cannot force anybody to come back to Iran but if anybody wants to come back voluntarily, we always take our citizens with pride,” he said.

Previously, the Australian foreign affairs minister, Julie Bishop, had flagged an agreement that would allow Australia to forcibly repatriate asylum seekers, on the condition Tehran guaranteed they would not face persecution or punishment.

Australia wants to forcibly return asylum seekers who are found not to require protection under the Refugees Convention or Australia’s complementary protection regime.

There are about 9,000 Iranian asylum seekers in Australia or in offshore detention. However, many of those are still waiting for their refugee status to be determined, some after more than four years in Australia.

Historically, most Iranians seeking asylum in Australia are ultimately granted the right to stay because of a “well-founded fear” of persecution in their homeland; 87% of Iranian asylum seekers arriving by plane, and 65.2% of boats arrivals, were granted protection, latest government data shows.

But several hundred whose asylum claims have been rejected are stuck in limbo in Australia, unable to be deported and without any apparent prospect of being granted the right to stay.

Several asylum seekers have been voluntarily returned from Australia and from offshore detention facilities, but returns to Iran remain problematic.

Returned asylum seekers are questioned, often for several hours, at Tehran airport, and sources in Iran suggest they are regularly put under long-term surveillance and face ongoing persecution from authorities.

Two Iranian asylum seekers previously held in the Manus Island detention centre have been left stranded – detained in Port Moresby for nearly eight months – after agreeing to be returned to Iran.

Iran has, so far, refused to accept the two men’s return.

The two men – whom The Guardian has chosen to identify only by their first names – say they have agreed to be returned, but have been left stranded in detention in the PNG.

Both men have been issued with identity numbers which identify them as Iranian citizens and would normally allow them to be granted passports.

However, they have been told there is a “problem” with their applications, and the Iranian embassy has not issued new documents.

“I signed the form for returning to Iran seven and a half months ago. I wrote, ‘Come back,’ ” 41-year-old Abdi told The Guardian from Port Moresby. “I am destroyed man; I am shattered. We are in limbo here. I am suffering, but we are stuck.”

Both men are understood to be suffering serious physical and mental illnesses, sustained while in detention on Manus.

Sources in Tehran have told The Guardian their ongoing health conditions – which will require long-term and expensive treatment – are understood to be the basis of the impasse between Australia, PNG and Iran.

The money the men will be paid for their repatriation is considered to be insufficient to cover their ongoing health needs.

Abdi said he was chronically ill, and would require long-term care. He said his family visits doctors in Tehran, and he explains his symptoms over the phone and is then diagnosed.

“I take so many psychiatric tablets, but the pain still remains in my nerves, in my eyes and my intestine,” Abdi said. “It is like a tragic movie.”

Another of the asylum seekers, Ali, said he felt he had been abandoned. He has been on PNG since August 2013, nearly 950 days.

“No one calls us, no one care about us, no one. We are forgotten.”

Ian Rintoul, from the Refugee Action Coalition, said the fact that Australia could not even engineer a voluntary repatriation of asylum seekers demonstrated the impossibility of forcing Iran to accept its citizens being returned against their will.

“For Australia to push for forcible returns to this country is completely unseemly,” he said. “There are grave and systematic human rights abuses occurring in Iran that are far more important and pressing for Australia to raise.”

Zarif’s visit to Australia – and discussion of a proposed asylum deal – is part of a broader push from Tehran to improve its economic and diplomatic relations with the west after last year’s nuclear deal and the lifting of sanctions in January.

But serious concerns remain over widespread human rights abuses, which include public hangings, stonings, amputations, and gouging out of eyes as punishments.

Iran executed at least 966 people in 2015, the United Nations says, the highest number in a decade. The country also executed children, an act, “strictly and unequivocally prohibited under international law”.

The Australia director at Human Rights Watch, Elaine Pearson, warned Australia must proceed carefully in any deal with Iran.

“In the rush to welcome Tehran in from the cold, Australia should not trample over the rights of vulnerable Iranians,” she said.

Pearson said that recognised refugees on Manus had reported being offered up to $10,000 to return to Iran: “You would have to question the voluntariness of that return given these people have been detained for years on Manus, and the fact that $10,000 is a lot of money.”

The National Council of Resistance of Iran – a Paris-based a group of exiled Iranian opposition political organisations – expressed “deep abhorrence” over Australia’s proposed asylum deal, calling it “collusion with the religious fascism ruling Iran”. The council argued Australia should not “victimise the sacred right of asylum for petty and short-term economic gains”.

“The velayat-e faqih [clerical rule] system – which the Australian government so audaciously tramples human values to deal with – has turned Iran into a prison for all Iranian people, especially women,” it said. “Acid attacks, flogging, stoning, gouging out of eyes, amputation of limbs, and piling up students, political and civil activists, intellectuals, lawyers and artists in its medieval prisons are but a part of the regime’s infamous record.”
 
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To be fair, we (Australian) all know the deal is going to back out if Trump got elected. It's political 101 to NEVER negotiating a deal with a outgoing government (aka Obama) The deal is a simply deal between US and Australia.

Trump don't see fair and don't want to honor the deal? That's actually fine, it's never actually about the deal, it's pissing off Australian because Trump treated out PM like one of their contestant on his TV show. This is about how trump is, not how the American government approach the deal.

But then we all know this kind of antics will happen when we (referring myself as an American now) voted trump in the office.

lol you are playing from both sides -- arguments valid though
 
lol you are playing from both sides -- arguments valid though

The Iranian government is being barbaric about its own citizens. If they leave the country they can't come back in. Iran say its other countries problem to take them in not theirs. May as well let the sharks eat them for all they care.
 
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why are so many iranians fleeing? are they economic migrants or fleeing religious persecution(bahais?)
 
So what's up with all these Iranians getting on boats and going to Australia? Are they fleeing the spillover from Iraq or it purely economic?

Seems the Iranian government is not being helpful about them either.
https://www.theguardian.com/austral...sylum-seekers-who-have-been-forcibly-returned

Iran refuses to take back asylum seekers who have been forcibly returned
The Iranian foreign affairs minister, Mohammad Javad Zarif, says his country would not accept any of its citizens repatriated against their will

The Australian foreign affairs minister, Julie Bishop, with her Iranian counterpart, Mohammad Javad Zarif, in Canberra on Tuesday. Zarif says Iran will not take back asylum seekers who have been forcibly returned. Photograph: Lukas Coch/EPA

Iran has scotched a proposed deal to forcibly return Iranian asylum seekers from Australia and from offshore detention.

The Iranian foreign affairs minister, Mohammad Javad Zarif, said in Canberra on Tuesday that Iran would not accept any of its citizens being repatriated against their will.

“We cannot force anybody to come back to Iran but if anybody wants to come back voluntarily, we always take our citizens with pride,” he said.

Previously, the Australian foreign affairs minister, Julie Bishop, had flagged an agreement that would allow Australia to forcibly repatriate asylum seekers, on the condition Tehran guaranteed they would not face persecution or punishment.

Australia wants to forcibly return asylum seekers who are found not to require protection under the Refugees Convention or Australia’s complementary protection regime.

There are about 9,000 Iranian asylum seekers in Australia or in offshore detention. However, many of those are still waiting for their refugee status to be determined, some after more than four years in Australia.

Historically, most Iranians seeking asylum in Australia are ultimately granted the right to stay because of a “well-founded fear” of persecution in their homeland; 87% of Iranian asylum seekers arriving by plane, and 65.2% of boats arrivals, were granted protection, latest government data shows.

But several hundred whose asylum claims have been rejected are stuck in limbo in Australia, unable to be deported and without any apparent prospect of being granted the right to stay.

Several asylum seekers have been voluntarily returned from Australia and from offshore detention facilities, but returns to Iran remain problematic.

Returned asylum seekers are questioned, often for several hours, at Tehran airport, and sources in Iran suggest they are regularly put under long-term surveillance and face ongoing persecution from authorities.

Two Iranian asylum seekers previously held in the Manus Island detention centre have been left stranded – detained in Port Moresby for nearly eight months – after agreeing to be returned to Iran.

Iran has, so far, refused to accept the two men’s return.

The two men – whom The Guardian has chosen to identify only by their first names – say they have agreed to be returned, but have been left stranded in detention in the PNG.

Both men have been issued with identity numbers which identify them as Iranian citizens and would normally allow them to be granted passports.

However, they have been told there is a “problem” with their applications, and the Iranian embassy has not issued new documents.

“I signed the form for returning to Iran seven and a half months ago. I wrote, ‘Come back,’ ” 41-year-old Abdi told The Guardian from Port Moresby. “I am destroyed man; I am shattered. We are in limbo here. I am suffering, but we are stuck.”

Both men are understood to be suffering serious physical and mental illnesses, sustained while in detention on Manus.

Sources in Tehran have told The Guardian their ongoing health conditions – which will require long-term and expensive treatment – are understood to be the basis of the impasse between Australia, PNG and Iran.

The money the men will be paid for their repatriation is considered to be insufficient to cover their ongoing health needs.

Abdi said he was chronically ill, and would require long-term care. He said his family visits doctors in Tehran, and he explains his symptoms over the phone and is then diagnosed.

“I take so many psychiatric tablets, but the pain still remains in my nerves, in my eyes and my intestine,” Abdi said. “It is like a tragic movie.”

Another of the asylum seekers, Ali, said he felt he had been abandoned. He has been on PNG since August 2013, nearly 950 days.

“No one calls us, no one care about us, no one. We are forgotten.”

Ian Rintoul, from the Refugee Action Coalition, said the fact that Australia could not even engineer a voluntary repatriation of asylum seekers demonstrated the impossibility of forcing Iran to accept its citizens being returned against their will.

“For Australia to push for forcible returns to this country is completely unseemly,” he said. “There are grave and systematic human rights abuses occurring in Iran that are far more important and pressing for Australia to raise.”

Zarif’s visit to Australia – and discussion of a proposed asylum deal – is part of a broader push from Tehran to improve its economic and diplomatic relations with the west after last year’s nuclear deal and the lifting of sanctions in January.

But serious concerns remain over widespread human rights abuses, which include public hangings, stonings, amputations, and gouging out of eyes as punishments.

Iran executed at least 966 people in 2015, the United Nations says, the highest number in a decade. The country also executed children, an act, “strictly and unequivocally prohibited under international law”.

The Australia director at Human Rights Watch, Elaine Pearson, warned Australia must proceed carefully in any deal with Iran.

“In the rush to welcome Tehran in from the cold, Australia should not trample over the rights of vulnerable Iranians,” she said.

Pearson said that recognised refugees on Manus had reported being offered up to $10,000 to return to Iran: “You would have to question the voluntariness of that return given these people have been detained for years on Manus, and the fact that $10,000 is a lot of money.”

The National Council of Resistance of Iran – a Paris-based a group of exiled Iranian opposition political organisations – expressed “deep abhorrence” over Australia’s proposed asylum deal, calling it “collusion with the religious fascism ruling Iran”. The council argued Australia should not “victimise the sacred right of asylum for petty and short-term economic gains”.

“The velayat-e faqih [clerical rule] system – which the Australian government so audaciously tramples human values to deal with – has turned Iran into a prison for all Iranian people, especially women,” it said. “Acid attacks, flogging, stoning, gouging out of eyes, amputation of limbs, and piling up students, political and civil activists, intellectuals, lawyers and artists in its medieval prisons are but a part of the regime’s infamous record.”

Lived with an Iranian for 3 months when I was in college studying in Oz, he said the government is not as "Prosecuted" as many people in the west would think, it's not like it's North Korean level, most Iranian that got out usually have a different ideological or religious belief than the Iranian in general. Most of them are rich. Don't forget, even if you want to go to Australia by boat, you still need to pay 20,000 - 50,000 USD per head in Indonesia

Also, there are a large group of people supporting Iranian escaping Iran, much like what we (American this time) have for Cuban in Florida. meaning most oof the Iranian refugee will try and first come to Australia first, then anywhere else.

As for why there are that many Iranian escaping Iran? This probably can only be answer by people of Iran, we don't know why they ran away, we just take them in, at least used to.

But what I belief is that most of them are economic migrant, just that Iranian government playing hardball with the west and they use this opportunities to flee Iran? Much like the Chinese did in the 90s after the Tiananmen Square incident.

lol you are playing from both sides -- arguments valid though

lol, I ususally play more side than both (I have another 3 nationality.....) but yeah, this applies to 2 of mine and I am playing both side :)
 
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