Australian churches threatened

[xdrive]

Once again, learn to read... TaimiKhan DID NOT justify the killing of thousands of innocent people.

You are making a disgusting false accusation against TaimiKhan. An accusation that, of course, you are unable to prove... apart from the implications that are going on inside your head.

Once again, learn to read... TaimiKhan DID justify the killing of thousands of innocent people as i clearly proved in my other post. His implications were clear and anyone can go read them.

Infact go look at the replies from other people telling him how disgusted they were with what he said.

Christians have terrorized and killed much more then Muslims.

Whatever Muslims are doing, its becoz of your own indecent, inhuman actions around the world.

Its due the thinking of people like you that we Muslims have started to hate you.

People killed by extremist kind of Muslims is just a small percentage of the number of people killed by you Christians in the last one century, go figure it out.

Clearly justifying.

 

[jayron]

Its true America has done some grave mistakes in the past. But that's not because they wanted a christian crusade. It is silly to call it Christian vs Islam war. How many times have you seen the American government justifying their acts with a book written 2000yrs ago?

 

[Chinese-Dragon]

Once again, learn to read... TaimiKhan DID justify the killing of thousands of innocent people as i clearly proved in my other post. His implications were clear and anyone can go read them.

Infact go look at the replies from other people telling him how disgusted they were with what he said.

No he did not, as is clearly obvious to anyone who has the most basic comprehension skills.

I wonder how some people can get away with making such disgusting accusations, which are obviously not based on fact, and instead based on personal "implications".

 

[Developereo]

And you say that based on what?

Knowledge of historical facts and how Western democracies work.

Were these "western extremists" influenced NATO forces in Afghanistan before 9/11? no they were not.

Absolutely!

Once again, just because you don't know the history of Western involvement in Muslim countries does not change the facts.

Please watch this BBC documentary for starters...
Promises and Betrayals:

You cant possibly go around inciting superpowers like America and not expect to be bombed in retaliation and then claim this to be some 21st century crusade.

America was not incited from some slumber. It was actively involved in killing Muslims for over half a century before 9/11 happened.

Its true America has done some grave mistakes in the past. But that's not because they wanted a christian crusade. It is silly to call it Christian vs Islam war. How many times have you seen the American government justifying their acts with a book written 2000yrs ago?

We are not saying all of American policy is controlled by religious fanatics but Western, especially American, policy in the Middle East is 100% controlled by Zionist fanatics.

And let's always remember not to confuse Zionism and Judaism.

http://www.jewsnotzionists.org

 

[jayron]

We are not saying all of American policy is controlled by religious fanatics but Western, especially American, policy in the Middle East is 100% controlled by Zionist fanatics.

And let's always remember not to confuse Zionism and Judaism.

Jews Not Zionists

The zionists lobby to protect the Israeli interests. Nothing else. There is nothing related to Christianity. I am sure you know this. It is justified to blame the west's foreign policy which encouraged extremism in Islam in the 70's and now is fighting it. But don't bring Christianity into it. They have no power what so ever.

 

[NWO]

There is nothing related to Christianity.

Actually, some Christians believe that the second coming of Christ will happen when certain conditions are met. One of them is that the Chosen People, (Jews), return to their homeland. Of course, they won't claim that and claim something else so it's difficult to know which Christian support it for religious reasons and which ones don't.

But don't bring Christianity into it. They have no power what so ever.

Problem is that the other side always bring in Islam so it's natural for Muslims to bring in Christianity.

 

[NWO]

Christians have terrorized and killed much more then Muslims.

Whatever Muslims are doing, its becoz of your own indecent, inhuman actions around the world.



Clearly justifying.

That, my Aussia friend, is merely looking at the causes of current events and trying to figure out why they are happening right now the way they are. Don't know how that's justifying something.

 

[Roybot]

Knowledge of historical facts and how Western democracies work.

Absolutely!

Once again, just because you don't know the history of Western involvement in Muslim countries does not change the facts.

Please watch this BBC documentary for starters...
Promises and Betrayals:

Thanks for the link, i have seen the doco before, although that was almost 100 years ago and is also about British Empire's dodgy diplomatic ways in Middle East. I don't see how its relevant to contemporary American policies. Even then the incidents that the documentary is based on doesn't have a religious crusade explanation behind it. Oil and money seems like a more reasonable reason.

America was not incited from some slumber. It was actively involved in killing Muslims for over half a century before 9/11 happened.



We are not saying all of American policy is controlled by religious fanatics but Western, especially American, policy in the Middle East is 100% controlled by Zionist fanatics.

Afghanistan is not middle east as far as i know. You might be more knowledgeable, but the way i see it is, if it wasn't for 9/11 Afghanistan would have never been invaded.

And let's always remember not to confuse Zionism and Judaism.

Jews Not Zionists

[/QUOTE]

No offence but the amount of time the word "Zionist" has been used by the conspiracy theorist, i think i am better off without knowing what Zionism is all about.

People need to understand that there is no such thing as "Christian Brotherly Countries" on the lines of "Muslims Brotherly Countries". Western countries have strategic alliance, which is not based on Religion, its more like you help me in kicking in some countries *** and i ll save your *** when someone attacks you. Turkey and Bosnia being part of NATO led forces in Afghanistan should be enough evidence to conclude that it is no 21st century crusade.

No offence to anyone, but Islam today resembles Christianity in the dark ages in a lot of ways. Killing people in the name of blasphemy,, brainwashing people in the name of religion, religious brotherhood amongst countries, the works.

To sanity

 

[RazPaK]

Indian members that have posted here. I am disappointed and horrified by the crap you guys are writing. Western powers have been trying to occupy the subcontinent and the middle east for at least a couple hundred years now; before taliban, before bin laden,and before terrorists. Think about that

 

[NWO]

No offence to anyone, but Islam today resembles Christianity in the dark ages in a lot of ways. Killing people in the name of blasphemy,, brainwashing people in the name of religion, religious brotherhood amongst countries, the works.

Just remember, though, Muslims aren't the only ones who helped turn the Muslim world into what it is today.

 

[RazPaK]

Here are some points I would like to make, to educate and to prevent fruitless discussions.

*Muslims protected Jews, and Orthodox Christians in the holy city of Jerusalem against the Catholics of Europe, during the crusades.

*Muslims allowed religious freedom to the Hindus of sub-continent. If the Mughals wanted to religiously cleanse the population there would be no holy sites, nor traces of Hindu culture. In reality there are a huge number of Hindus in the world from the Sub-continent.

*Also there were no forced conversions in the Sub-Continent. It's already proven that the majority of Muslims there were converted through peaceful means (Sufism). The proof for that is the dozens of Sufi shrines in Pakistan and India. In fact many Sikh people hold Sufi Muslims in high esteem, while also sharing elements of Hinduism in their religion.

Please before trying to judge and hate an entire group of, try to be rational and objective.

Thank you.

The Truth and Pakistan Zindabad.

 

[jayron]

Just remember, though, Muslims aren't the only ones who helped turn the Muslim world into what it is today.

Yes. US played a major role along with Saudi and Zia in radicalizing muslims of Pak and Afghanistan. Correct me if I am wrong. Throughout the muslim world , didn't the radicalization start with an Egyptian cleric's puritan movement in the beginning of 20th century?

 

[Developereo]

The zionists lobby to protect the Israeli interests. Nothing else. There is nothing related to Christianity. I am sure you know this. It is justified to blame the west's foreign policy which encouraged extremism in Islam in the 70's and now is fighting it. But don't bring Christianity into it. They have no power what so ever.

NWO already answered it, but let me expand just a little. Fundamentalist Christians believe in this sequence of events (called the 'rapture').

1. Jews return to Zion (Israel).
2. Christ returns to Earth for the final battle between good and evil.
3. Christ gives an ultimatum to Jews to embrace him (i.e. convert to Christianity) or perish.
4. Armaggedon and the end of times.

Jews don't believe in this stuff but, as long as it gets the Christians on their side for now, who cares?

And AIPAC is the single most powerful lobby in Washington.
They are not exactly 'powerless'.
Not exactly.

I don't see how its relevant to contemporary American policies. Even then the incidents that the documentary is based on doesn't have a religious crusade explanation behind it. Oil and money seems like a more reasonable reason.

According to the doco, after WW1, America tended to advocate the rights of colonial victims -- except in the Middle East. Due to pressure by American Zionists, the US specifically made an exemption in the Middle East and let Britain and France divide up the region into bite-sized protectorates, each run by an Arab warlord.

This bit about Arab oil is laughable. The Arab warlords are amongst the most naive yet racist people. They worship white skin and would sell their oil to the West regardless.

Afghanistan is not middle east as far as i know. You might be more knowledgeable, but the way i see it is, if it wasn't for 9/11 Afghanistan would have never been invaded.

Afghansitan is at the crossroads of Middle East and China. It is also at the confluence of these two foreign policy issues for the West: Islamophobia and anti-China paranoia.

People need to understand that there is no such thing as "Christian Brotherly Countries" on the lines of "Muslims Brotherly Countries".

No, but the Zionist ideology is very new and is, therefore, extremely strong in its adherents. Western media is dominated by Zionists, whether it be US, Germany, UK, Australia, ...

Turkey and Bosnia being part of NATO led forces in Afghanistan should be enough evidence to conclude that it is no 21st century crusade.

Once the US invoked article 5 of NATO, all its members were obligated to respond. They had no choice.

No offence to anyone, but Islam today resembles Christianity in the dark ages in a lot of ways. Killing people in the name of blasphemy,, brainwashing people in the name of religion, religious brotherhood amongst countries, the works.

To sanity

Sadly, even as a Muslim, I have to agree with this part.

 

[jagjitnatt]

Indian members that have posted here. I am disappointed and horrified by the crap you guys are writing. Western powers have been trying to occupy the subcontinent and the middle east for at least a couple hundred years now; before taliban, before bin laden,and before terrorists. Think about that

Western powers did that before the world wars, under the crown. Not after the world wars. The western powers do want to have an influence over us and want to dictate their policies and benefit from us, but they will never want to occupy the subcontinent.

It is an insecurity deep in every Pakistani's heart, but its not true. You've got to admit that there are lunatics in every religion be it Hinduism, Islam, Sikhism or whatever. And the thing is that the muslims are not getting rid of these lunatics because they think the west wants to invade them. The west doesn't want to invade you, they want to get rid of these lunatics.

And these lunatics want power, and what better way than to make the common man hate the west. Hate for the west is what unites you, and these lunatics get your sympathy that way.

Each one of these crazy people delude the common man for the power, and then exploit you. Its not the west eating you up, its you yourself eating you up.

Look what mess Pakistan is in and the west hasn't even done anything. Don't even hint me at Afghanistan and Taliban thing because that's not something US did, that's what Pakistan did, for the US. It could have avoided it. But it didn't, for the money. Pakistan is in shambles because of its leaders, not the west.

The west is also working with Turkey, look where it is, also Indonesia, and all, they are also muslims, look how progressive they are. West could have invaded Indonesia, but why didn't it do it??
Because they don't want to, it would only cause them more harm.

 

[Awesome]

These wonderful fears are brought to us by ardent followers of "the" religion of peace.

A crucial distinction made in Islamic theology is that between dar al-harb and dar al-islam. To put it simply, dar al-harb (territory of war or chaos) is the name for the regions where Islam does not dominate, where divine will is not observed, and therefore where continuing strife is the norm. By contrast, dar al-islam (territory of peace) is the name for those territories where Islam does dominate, where submission to God is observed, and where peace and tranquility reign.

Again, dunno why you condemn the religion as if the Quran commands attacks on Churches. You're doing 2 wrongs here, you're being too kind on the corrupted human nature of these Muslims and you're generalizing and painting the rest of the Muslims with the same brush.

What is your audience, are you left with any? What was your purpose? Have you done any good in the world? It just comes off as slander... and then you're looked over.