Australia says no plans to sell uranium to Pakistan

[fd24]

I believe Pakistan have valuable knowledge and should start selling knowledge and nukes or part nukes to nations that want to join the nuclear gang. If countries like Israel have nukes why should nukes be exclusive to the executive nations club. Countries like Turkey should be ideal partners for this sort of trade.

 

[KS]

I believe Pakistan have valuable knowledge and should start selling knowledge and nukes or part nukes to nations that want to join the nuclear gang. If countries like Israel have nukes why should nukes be exclusive to the executive nations club. Countries like Turkey should be ideal partners for this sort of trade.

LOL this is the mentality that deprived you of what India got. Carry on. You are not doing yourself any good.

 

[NirmalKrish]

I guess Pakistan don't even need low quality uranium from Australia. They can happily keep it for them or sell it to India we don't care about it.....

Please dont talk rubbish you have no idea on the qauilty of Australia's uranium and why its in huge demand. yes everything from pakistan is top notch stuff provide me some sources to suggest and validate your agruments



Chapter three: Australia’s uranium resources, production and exploration
The chapter provides a detailed overview of Australia’s uranium resources, mine
production and exploration for uranium.

The Committee notes that Australia possesses 38 per cent of the world’s total
Identified Resources of uranium, recoverable at low cost (less than US$40 per
kilogram). According to company reports, Australia’s known uranium deposits
currently contain a total of over 2 million tonnes of uranium oxide in in-ground
resources. The in-situ value of this resource at spot market prices prevailing in
June 2006 was over A$270 billion.
xlviii

Some 75 per cent of Australia’s total Identified Resources of uranium are located
in South Australia, but significant deposits are also located in the Northern
Territory, Western Australia and Queensland. Seven of the world’s 20 largest uranium
deposits are in Australia—Olympic Dam (SA), Jabiluka (NT), Ranger (NT), Yeelirrie (WA), Valhalla (Queensland), Kintyre
(WA) and Beverley (SA).

In addition to its uranium resources, Australia also possesses the world’s largest
quantity of economically recoverable thorium resources—300 000 tonnes—more
than Canada and the US combined. Like uranium, thorium can be used as a
nuclear fuel, although the thorium fuel cycle is not yet commercialised.
In 2005, Australia achieved record national production of 11 222 tonnes of
uranium oxide from three operational mines—Ranger, Olympic Dam and
Beverley. Beverley is the world’s largest uranium mine employing the in-situ leach
(ISL) mining method and a fourth uranium mine (also employing the ISL method),
Honeymoon, is anticipated to commence production during 2008.
A proposal to expand Olympic Dam would see uranium production from the
mine treble to 15 000 tonnes of uranium oxide per year, which would make
Olympic Dam and its owners, BHP Billiton, by far the world’s largest producer.
The expanded mine would account for more than 20 per cent of world uranium
mine production and Australia would become the world’s largest supplier of
uranium with a doubling of national production.

Australia exported a record 12 360 tonnes of uranium oxide in 2005. This quantity
of uranium was sufficient for the annual fuel requirements of more than 50
reactors (each of 1 000 megawatt electrical capacity), producing some 380 t
erawatthours of electricity in total—some one and a half times Australia’s total electricity production.

The value of uranium exports reached a record high of $573 million in
2005. The outlook for further increases in production and export earnings is
positive.The increase in uranium price and the anticipated decline in secondary supplies
have stimulated a resurgence in exploration activity and expenditure in Australia.
In 2005, total exploration expenditure for uranium was $41.09 million, which was
almost a three-fold increase on 2004 expenditure.

While there has been a trend of increasing exploration expenditure since early
2003, there has been relatively little exploration for uranium over the past two
decades and Australia’s known uranium resources generally reflect exploration
efforts that took place 30 years ago. The size of Australia’s known uranium
resources significantly understates the potential resource base and there is great
potential for new and significant discoveries.

Xlix In its previous report, which addressed impediments to exploration, the
Committee accepted that future world-class uranium deposits are likely to be
located at greater depths than those hitherto discovered. It was concluded
that this will require large injections of exploration investment capital to overcome
the technical challenges of locating bedrock deposits. These observations reinforce
the need to ensure that juniors, which are generally efficient explorers, are
Appropriately assisted to discover Australia’s future world-class uranium and
other mineral deposits. The Committee is convinced of the merits of flow-through
share schemes and repeats the recommendation contained in its previous report


http://www.aph.gov.au/house/committee/isr/uranium/report/front.pdf

 

[AgNoStiC MuSliM]

LOL this is the mentality that deprived you of what India got. Carry on. You are not doing yourself any good.

How come? In this specific case we would in fact be doing what the West already accuses us of doing and is using as a basis to deny us technology and trade.

Pakistan would be breaking no treaties or international agreements.

If Pakistan is going to be unfairly singled out and denied technology for 'proliferation', then we might as well make that allegation true and earn money by doing so.

This is of course a hypothetical argument - I am interested in understanding why doing the above and profiting is worse than being accused of doing the above and not profiting?

 

[Roybot]

If it was just an accusation, why was A Q Khan shunted?

Its about being a responsible nuclear state.

Did India hold the world to ransom by saying give us uranium or we start proliferating?

 

[AgNoStiC MuSliM]

Machi...you should be fooling yourself if you think such a complex network of smuggling of hitech and high security technologies were illegally smuggled by just one man fooling the ever-paranoid Pakistani Establishment.

Right, and how did all of that 'high tech technology' get smuggled out of Western nations to Israel, Pakistan and South Africa?

 

[Pakistanisage]

The Australian Uranium sale to India is Just matter of time !!

As one wise man once said " Don't count your chickens before the eggs are hatched ".

 

[nForce]

How come? In this specific case we would in fact be doing what the West already accuses us of doing and is using as a basis to deny us technology and trade.

Pakistan would be breaking no treaties or international agreements.

If Pakistan is going to be unfairly singled out and denied technology for 'proliferation', then we might as well make that allegation true and earn money by doing so.

This is of course a hypothetical argument - I am interested in understanding why doing the above and profiting is worse than being accused of doing the above and not profiting?

Actually Pakistan is still not under blanket ban.But once Pakistan tries hand on Nuclear proliferation,it will be.Not only that,it will probably be under active attack from other bigger forces.You should rather concentrate on what is good for your country,i.e upliftment of economy.Weapons and arms race is not everything.

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As one wise man once said " Don't count your chickens before the eggs are hatched ".

Nice one....

 

[RazPaK]

Pakistan already has enough nukes for India. I'm sure the country can look into it's own resources for uranium if not Africa. Indians getting happy as usual because the white man said yes after making them dance around their feet.

 

[KS]

How come? In this specific case we would in fact be doing what the West already accuses us of doing and is using as a basis to deny us technology and trade.

Pakistan would be breaking no treaties or international agreements.

Go ahead..Be my guest. But then again you should not be riding the moral high horse about innocent Pakistan being double dealed by the evil imperialists...Oh wait..you already did. That's one of the reasons why one shudders at the thought of importing Uranium to Pakistan.

If Pakistan is going to be unfairly singled out and denied technology for 'proliferation', then we might as well make that allegation true and earn money by doing so.

This is of course a hypothetical argument - I am interested in understanding why doing the above and profiting is worse than being accused of doing the above and not profiting?

Cute.

'unfairly-singled-out'....'allegation'....

Wow..Just wow..

May I ask why was a certain A.Q.Khan chucked out..for not paying his electricity bill ?

 

[AgNoStiC MuSliM]

Actually Pakistan is still not under blanket ban.But once Pakistan tries hand on Nuclear proliferation,it will be.Not only that,it will probably be under active attack from other bigger forces.You should rather concentrate on what is good for your country,i.e upliftment of economy.Weapons and arms race is not everything.

In terms of the NSG Pakistan is under a 'blanket ban', and Pakistan is not under any obligation to not offer nuclear technology to other nations since it is not a signatory to any treaties prohibiting such.

 

[AgNoStiC MuSliM]

Go ahead..Be my guest. But then again you should no be riding the moral high horse about innocent Pakistan being double dealed by the evil imperialists.

Why wouldn't Pakistan still ride its 'moral high horse'? It would still not change the fact that many of the NSG members have in fact been responsible for far worse proliferation than Pakistan, given the fact that their proliferation resulted in the creation of two nuclear weapon states (Israel and Pakistan), and almost a third (South Africa).

Cute.

'unfairly-singled-out'....'allegation'....

Wow..Just wow..

May I ask why was a certain A.Q.Khan chucked out..for not paying his electricity bill ?

Nothing cute about it - as I have already pointed out, Western proliferation far exceeds any done by Pakistan, so 'unfairly singled out' is an absolutely correct description of the treatment meted out to Pakistan.

 

[KS]

Why wouldn't Pakistan still ride its 'moral high horse'? It would still not change the fact that many of the NSG members have in fact been responsible for far worse proliferation than Pakistan, given the fact that their proliferation resulted in the creation of two nuclear weapon states (Israel and Pakistan), and almost a third (South Africa).

I have already explained how the Western 'sharing' and Pakistani 'proliferation' are two things as different as chalk and cheese.

In simple worlds their 'sharing' was closely screened by their respective governments and given to strategic allies with no breach of their own 'nuclear' security while in the case of Pakistan it is one man breaching all established 'nuclear security protocols' and selling the info to the highest bidder(Pakistan's claim).

So the world is asking you "what is the guarentee that there might not be another A.Q.Khan in your midst who is clandestinely selling nukes while we are speaking ?"....Valid question.

Nothing cute about it - as I have already pointed out, Western proliferation far exceeds any done by Pakistan, so 'unfairly singled out' is an absolutely correct description of the treatment meted out to Pakistan.

So you agree that Pakistan had indeed 'proliferated' and its not a mere 'allegation' as claimed in the previous post ?

 

[AgNoStiC MuSliM]

I have already explained how the Western 'sharing' and Pakistani 'proliferation' are two things as different as chalk and cheese.

In simple worlds their 'sharing' was closely screened by their respective governments and given to strategic allies with no breach of their own 'nuclear' security while in the case of Pakistan it is one man breaching all established 'nuclear security protocols' and selling the info to the highest bidder(Pakistan's claim).

And I have already refuted that:

"So Pakistan as a nation benefiting from 'nuclear sharing' would imply that the West 'approved' of Pakistan's quest for nuclear weapons? Then why do recent US diplomatic disclosures indicate a concerted US effort to prevent nuclear technology from finding its way to Pakistan, including pressure on France to not complete a reprocessing facility in Pakistan, pressure on companies and States in Asia and Australia to not export items with alleged 'dual use' capabilities etc.

The comparison is valid, only an Indian would try to come up with convoluted and nonsensical arguments to try and make proliferation by the West and proliferation by Pakistan appear 'different as chalk and cheese'. Pakistan violated no international agreements or treaties when AQ Khan proliferated, but what about Western nations that were acting as suppliers for the nuclear technology being obtained by Pakistan, Israel and South Africa?"

So the world is asking you "what is the guarentee that there might not be another A.Q.Khan in your midst who is clandestinely selling nukes while we are speaking ?"....Valid question.

The world should first ask 'what is the guarantee that the West will not proliferate yet more nuclear technology to other nations enabling the creation of more 'Pakistan's, India's, Israel's and South Africa's'?

So you agree that Pakistan had indeed 'proliferated' and its not a mere 'allegation' as claimed in the previous post ?

I agree that the facts clearly indicate that the West has proliferated far more in reality than Pakistan is even alleged to have done.

 

[Varad]

Uranium sale to India was a possibility, but Australia WILL NEVER sell to Pakistan.

Pakistan has a reputation as a rogue state when it comes to nuclear weapons. Pakistan has been one of the worst-behaved countries in terms of promulgating nuclear technologies beyond its borders.

There was a network run by the scientist AQ Khan that was responsible for some of the worst proliferation excesses that we've seen in the last decade or two

I greatly respect you for the true words you have spoken. Not only your current leadership is visionary but also realistic in planning for its future. May the friendship between India & Australia grow more stronger with each passing day.