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At U.N., Trump warns U.S. may have to 'totally destroy' North Korea

That's one hell of a rogue regime there, turning the podium at the UN into a cheap show where angry remarks are made.

What outcome does the US regime anticipate from all this shrill posturing? Intimidation?

In a week or so, Trump's remarks will be forgotten just as his a hundred earlier angry Tweets.
 
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And the white folks, especially the middle age ones, are getting angrier by each passing day!!! Trump is just a symptom!!! And, the Pentagon boys are still playing "super power" while the ground is slipping out of their feet!!! The folks at the top aren't at the same level of security at those at the bottom!!!! And, shouting out the piece of mind with acrimony doesn't befit the statesmen, it's more for the folks at the receiving end....

I doubt the Pentagon cowboys want a war. It's their bankers who are pushing for it like they have always in every conflict in last few centuries. American debt ceiling just crossed the critical 20 trillion threshold, property prices are plummeting, and most importantly, the massive bubble which is artifically been inflated called Dow Jones will burst anytime. People will forget 2008-09. With all these economic fk ups the war is the only option to burry everything under the carpet.
 
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Can't hide? You sure about that? I suggest reading this article:


How F-22 Is Deconflicting U.S.-Russia Operations Over Syria

“Shell” was just days into his first deployment to U.S. Central Command (Centcom) when U.S. Navy destroyers launched a surprise strike against the Syrian regime, pummeling Shayrat Airfield with dozens of Tomahawk cruise missiles. In the tense wake of the attack, Shell, a U.S. Air Force lieutenant colonel and Raptor squadron commander who spoke on the condition that Aviation Week identify him only by his call sign, and his squadron of stealth F-22 Lockheed Martin Raptors had a critical job to do: deconflict coalition operations over Syria with an irate Russia. The U.S.-led campaign against the Islamic State in Iraq and Syria has leaned heavily on the air-superiority fighter since its debut there in 2014. The F-22, originally designed as an air-to-air platform, has become crucial to the fight, regularly striking ground targets, providing close air support (CAS) for soldiers in battle, and protecting legacy strike fighters from surface and air threats. But one of the most critical missions the F-22 conducts in the skies over Syria, particularly in the weeks following the April 6 Tomahawk strike, is deconfliction between coalition and noncoalition aircraft, says Shell. Of course, the F-22 is not the only asset deconflicting the crowded skies over Centcom. The Air Force’s airborne command-and-control aircraft and high-altitude intelligence, surveillance and reconnaissance platforms, as well as ground-based command-and-control forces, are also helping clear the area. But the stealth F-22’s ability to evade detection gives it a unique advantage in getting noncoalition players to cooperate, says Shell. “It is easier to bring air dominance to bear if you know where the other aircraft are that you are trying to influence, and they don’t know where you are,” says Shell. “When other airplanes don’t know where you are, their sense of comfort goes down, so they have a tendency to comply more.”

The F-22 provided a crucial communications node when tensions between the U.S. and Russia were running high. Following the Tomahawk strikes, Moscow condemned the attack and suspended the so-called “deconfliction line” the two countries used to coordinate air operations over Syria. U.S. President Donald Trump said relations with Russia were at an “all-time low.” But U.S. and noncoalition aircraft were still communicating directly, over an internationally recognized, unsecure frequency often used for emergencies known as “Guard,” says Shell. His F-22s acted as a kind of quarterback, using high-fidelity sensors to determine the positions of all the actors on the battlefield, directing noncoalition aircraft where to fly and asking them over the Guard frequency to move out of the way. The Raptors were able to fly in contested areas, in range of surface-to-air missile systems and fighters, without the noncoalition players knowing their exact positions, Shell says. This allowed them to establish air superiority—giving noncoalition forces freedom of movement in the air and on the ground—and a credible deterrent. “If we need to let them know that we are there for any reason, then we will let them know that we are there—usually to deter something that they are trying to do that we don’t want them to do,” he explains. During those weeks after April 6, Shell and his squadron temporarily moved all of their operations into Syria. In addition to helping deconflict and deter noncoalition actors, the F-22s also provided defensive counter-air for allied forces on the ground and in the air, and occasionally conducted ground strikes and CAS, Shell says. He stresses that the interactions with noncoalition aircraft were always “professional,” adding that his squadron experienced “nothing that raises any eyebrows.” Two months after the strikes, Shell’s squadron is back to splitting its time between Iraq and Syria.

The aircraft is performing “immaculately,” even in mission sets it was not built for, such as CAS, Shell says. As of May 28, the Raptor had conducted 1,150 sorties, including 497 CAS sorties, and employed 1,572 weapons since the beginning of Operation Inherent Resolve in 2014, according to the Air Force. In the CAS role, the F-22 augments the platforms already conducting that mission in the region, such as the F-15E, the B-52 bomber and the A-10, Shell says. While the A-10 is renowned for the roar of its 30-mm Gatling gun and its long loiter time, the F-22 brings precision-guided munitions (PGM) such as the GBU-32 and Small-Diameter Bomb. PGMs significantly reduce civilian casualties and potential damage to buildings and other structures in the area, Shell points out. Although the F-22 can perform CAS well, it is not built for that role as is the A-10— it is just another tool combatant commanders can use to complete the mission, Shell stresses.

Overall, the most important thing the Raptor brings to the OIR fight is air superiority, Shell says. “Our ground troops have not been attacked from the air since April 15, 1953, and that is because of the U.S. Air Force providing air dominance,” he adds. “The F-22 is the primary provider of air superiority in Operation Inherent Resolve.”

http://aviationweek.com/defense/how-f-22-deconflicting-us-russia-operations-over-syria

Mu understanding is that the Russians have gradually started using their advanced assets as they gain confidence. A-50 initially only performed SIGINT. Only recently it has started performing it's radar + jamming role.

The main weakness of the Raptor is its reliance on AWACS to achieve full stealth. In stealth mode it does not use its own radar. Also, American AWACS cannot perform jamming because they end up jamming themselves. This allows Russian AWACS to isolate the Raptor, making it vulnerable. The Russians have only recently started using this functionality.
 
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The main weakness of the Raptor is its reliance on AWACS to achieve full stealth. In stealth mode it does not use its own radar.
Utter bullshit.

First...There is no such thing as a 'stealth mode'. Being low radar observable is not something like an on/off switch. The jet was designed from paper to be low radar observable and that is it.

Second...It is a myth that the F-22 cannot use its radar while in 'stealth mode', whatever the hell that means.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/AN/APG-77
The AN/APG-77 is a multifunction low probability of intercept radar installed on the F-22 Raptor fighter aircraft.
What is a 'low probability of intercept' ( LPI ) radar ?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Low-probability-of-intercept_radar
A low-probability-of-intercept radar (LPIR) is designed to be difficult to detect by passive radar detection equipment (such as a radar warning receiver – RWR) while it is searching for a target or engaged in target tracking.

If NK was nuked and totally destroyed...wouldn't this kill south koreans, Chinese and Russians etc too?

How would they respond?
There will be no 'nuking' of anyone. NKR's defenses will be destroyed. Yes, SKR will also suffer, but in the end NKR will lose.
 
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US regime can talk like a shrill it is, and throw mad threats, but reality is more cold-blooded and sound.

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China, Russia urge Korean peninsula dialogue
China Daily, September 20, 2017

China and Russia agreed that tensions on the Korean Peninsula must be solved peacefully and the "vicious cycle" must end, when their foreign ministers met on Monday in New York on the sidelines of the United Nations General Assembly.

Foreign Minister Wang Yi said "the vicious cycle, which is worsening, must be broken", and added that resuming dialogue and peace talks is a necessary step in implementing UN Security Council resolutions regarding the nuclear and missile tests of the Democratic People's Republic of Korea.

The road map China and Russia proposed to solve the peninsula's nuclear issue is "realistic and feasible", and both countries should work to obtain more understanding and support from the international community, Wang said.

Russian Foreign Minister Sergey Lavrov said Russia shares a "completely identical" position on the issue to that of China's, and the two countries should work together to promote a peaceful solution.

Tuesday also marked the 12th anniversary of the signing of a statement on Sept 19, 2005, at the fourth round of the Six-Party Talks.

In the "9.19" statement, all parties reaffirmed their goal of denuclearizing the peninsula peacefully. The DPRK promised to abandon its nuclear weapons and programs and the United States confirmed it had no intent of attacking or invading the DPRK.

Foreign Ministry spokesman Lu Kang said on Tuesday the statement's core contents are still the objectives parties involved in the Korean Peninsula issue "crave to achieve".

The spokesman said he believes the parties will be able to find a way to solve the issue if they return to the statement's core ideas.
 
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kim is about to win another round with another missile or nuke test. lol. NK 21 USA 0 coming up :D
 
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Nothing will happen... Americans don't bomb countries that can bomb back... they only bomb stone age tribals back to the "stonier" age.

:)
 
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North Korea's defense would go about as well as Iraq's, in other words total defeat. Defense Sec. Mattis has made that abundantly clear.

That could very well be, I seriously doubt the North Koreans would be able to detect US stealth bombers. But if that happens, the North will open the international border and move into South Korea, it can also strike Guam and other US military assets within its range using Ballistic Missiles. And no matter what, the US will face a humiliating defeat on the ground, if they decide to put boots on the ground.

And the above is not taking account of Chinese and Russian reaction to any such unilateral attack by the US.



As for Syria, apparently you didn't get the memo. The US dropped over 5,000 bombs on ISIS in Iraq and Syria in August alone. US ground forces also operate in Syria conducting artillery strikes and special forces raids.

Please do not hide behind the general curtain, why are your forces not bombing Assad's forces when you were doing it with impunity before the Russians got there and set up their Air Defence Systems??? Your bombs are dropping in less than 30% of Syria as opposed to the entire region before deployment of S-400 systems.
 
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There is no way any serious action will be taken against North Korea. Focusing on nuclear weapons was a brilliant move by Kim. Any military action against North Korea will result in the South getting vaporized. No one will risk all South Korea for getting rid of Kim.
 
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Utter bullshit.

First...There is no such thing as a 'stealth mode'. Being low radar observable is not something like an on/off switch. The jet was designed from paper to be low radar observable and that is it.

Second...It is a myth that the F-22 cannot use its radar while in 'stealth mode', whatever the hell that means.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/AN/APG-77

What is a 'low probability of intercept' ( LPI ) radar ?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Low-probability-of-intercept_radar

Haha I knew this was coming. All of this is true for an airforce such as Nigerian Airforce, not against the Russians. Given the aircraft's flight profile, there is a fundamental limit on the frequency at which a tracking radar MUST ping the plane, otherwise it will lose situational awareness. By looking at the power spectrum as the plane changes its flight path, and using the right algorithms, the plane can detect any radar, even AESA. Let's give the Russians some credit here.
 
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Oh really? Why hasn't the US attacked DPRK yet since the first nuclear test? This is already the sixth one and the missile tech keeps getting better. Then again you also said China has no balls during the standoff yet Indians fled back after seeing our missiles getting ready to declare war with India :rofl: , i wouldn't bet on the bravery of US when China and Russia are directly involved with DPRK.

Because kim doesn't yet have a functioning reliable ICBM that can hit US mainland with those nukes.
As for standoff we got what we wanted,stopped road,lol.China had to retreat with its tails behind its legs,we made a mockery of supapowa dragon.Threatened war for months with 100 warnings then had to eat its own words.Anyway don't bring india into this.
War will happen because trump is a loose canon and fat kim will not leave him any exit path.Chinese and russian for all their talk can't face the USAAF and USN over korea, if it was a land war they could have.But US airforce and navy is too strong.You cant fight waves of raptors and f-35s with 4th gen aircraft nor the 60 odd nuclear submarines of the USN even leaving aside carriers with the navies that china/russia have.NK will be smashed for sure if war happens,SK might get devastated with it,and japan might also suffer damage.
 
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Utter bullshit.

First...There is no such thing as a 'stealth mode'. Being low radar observable is not something like an on/off switch. The jet was designed from paper to be low radar observable and that is it.

Second...It is a myth that the F-22 cannot use its radar while in 'stealth mode', whatever the hell that means.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/AN/APG-77

What is a 'low probability of intercept' ( LPI ) radar ?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Low-probability-of-intercept_radar



There will be no 'nuking' of anyone. NKR's defenses will be destroyed. Yes, SKR will also suffer, but in the end NKR will lose.

I think American should retrain until they find a better alternative to this problem , Kim is crazy and with nukes in hand he will not hesitate to use it as per his missiles range, most likely south Korea and Japan will get these attacks, even if USA make 100%sure that the collateral damage will be low as possible there is still chance of one nuke penetrating the south Korean main hemisphere. Sainty must prevail from both sides or this won't end well for north Koreans ,south Koren's and possibly Japan .
 
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negotiate.... give them some leverage... there are no good options here
 
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I think American should retrain until they find a better alternative to this problem ,...
Such as ?

Kim is crazy and with nukes...
No. North Korea does not -- yet -- have a functional nuclear ICBM.

I just think it is funny that people here thinks Trump is as nutty as Kim. Personally, I do not like Trump. But then again, I do not like ANY of the US Presidents since I was old enough to vote back in 1982.

For starter, Trump has decades of experience in dealing with people. Kim has not.

Trump knows what it is like to be restrained. Kim does not.

Trump must work within the system to get what he want. Kim is the system and do whatever he want.

Trump is answerable to the American public in three yrs. Kim is accountable to no one.

Trump is limited by the US Constitution. Kim is limited only by his whims.

So actually, which should be the one most likely to be labeled 'crazy' ?
 
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