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At the WEF’s ‘India Summit’


Ikram Sehgal
Thursday, November 17, 2011

Mumbai is a city of contrasts, which are never so apparent as when one comes in to land at the International Airport. High-rise developments are ubiquitous in shantytowns, ongoing construction of raised expressways snaking over slum areas to overcome the enormous traffic jams clogging the city. Dreams sometimes become reality in this sprawling metropolis, and multiple times more they have simply faded away into oblivion. It has “Bollywood” which is known worldwide for the popular (and populist) Hindi movies it churns out.

The World Economic Forum (WEF) normally holds its annual “India Summit” in New Delhi, Mumbai was an inspired choice, a unique opportunity to meet a cross-section of people: representatives of India’s mainline business community, academics, representatives of the government, the media, culture, etc. Opening the summit WEF chairman Klaus Schwab said: “So many ideas, cultures, religions and ways of life have converged on Mumbai over its history that it is a gateway not only to other parts of India, but also to the world.” Sushant P Rao, WEF senior director and head of its Asia chapter who successfully put the WEF’s Mumbai Summit together, added: “Major corporations, including Industrialists such as the Ambanis, Ratan Tata, Anand Mahindra, the Godrejs, Birla, Mittals, Jindal, etc., are all located here. With 60 percent of all international transactions conducted in this port city, it is a major contributor to the government’s tax revenues.

Moderated by Chrystia Freeland of Thomson Reuters, the Session on the Media figured, among others, BBC’s Nik Gowing, Navdeep Suri of India’s ministry’s of external affairs (who was once designated as India’s consul general to Karachi) and media personality Ms Tavlin Singh. Corruption in the media was highlighted by money being widely used to slant the news and smear the opposition, whether in politics or in commerce. The general impression was of a media out of control, having little respect for the rule of law. Nik Gowing gave the example of the judicial restriction placed on the airing of footballer Ryan Giggs’ name and of how about 75,000 persons broke that edict within hours. Even if information about them was somehow obtained from Twitter, could the judiciary fine every one of them? Suri mentioned that when he was press counsellor in the Indian High Commission in London upscale media firms claimed frequently that “renowned” journalists and columnists could write “creative” articles favourable (or unfavourable) to the opposition for planting in credible magazines and newspapers, for a price. Tavlin Singh complained that the electronic media had changed the stakes of propriety, embellishing perception over facts, rather than practicing responsible journalism. The Media Panel decried governments in many countries using advertisement placements to influence the news, agreeing that private sector corporations do the same.

Former Indian police officer Kiran Bedi from Anna Hazara’s team led the debate titled “The Indian Spring – Seeking Independence from Corruption.” Threatening another agitation if the anti-corruption bill was not passed soon in parliament, she said that corporations were not united against corruption. Huguette Labelle, chairperson of Transparency International (TI), Germany, confirmed that India, which figured at 87 in the TI’s Corruption Perception Index, was already down three rungs, and slipping further. According to a recent survey, two in four people paid bribes in India last year, compared with one in four in other countries.

Indian minister of state Ashwani Kumar expressed his displeasure at the hunger strike and agitation by Hazare and his team, “We cannot have legislation under public unrest. There is a resonance in the country on corruption, but the means and ends are always important.” The combative Bedi countered that the movement has only “deepened democracy” and when the Lokpal Bill becomes law, it would be historical as the common man had participated in the movement.

Anyone you met in India was vociferous about civilian supremacy over the military in a democracy. My question was: how, then, was the Indian Army vociferously and publicly objecting to the proposal by Chief Minister Omar Abdullah to curb the Armed Forces Special Powers Act (AFSPA) in Indian-Occupied Kashmir? But the question was summarily brushed aside. Speaking in Srinagar, Lt Gen S A Hussain predicted that AFSPA’s lifting would create turmoil, compelling India to grant independence to Jammu and Kashmir by 2016. Mir Waiz Umer Farooq countered that the Indian army’s public condemnation of Chief Minister Abdullah’s proposal was “clear proof of India holding Kashmir by its military might. India cannot hold on to Kashmir even for a day without the armed forces and the black laws giving impunity to them.” Rejecting Mr Abdullah’s idea of “creating islands of peace,” Gen Hussain had claimed: “While the people were demanding electricity roads, water, calls for lifting AFSPA came from Pakistan, the Inter-Services Intelligence Directorate (ISI), terrorists and secessionists.” JKLF spokesman Ayaz Akbar agreed with the general that if the “black laws” are lifted, “India won’t have even a single person in J & K ready to accept its sovereignty as a people’s revolt against the occupation would erupt, (one) like nobody has witnessed.”

The Indian economic cloudburst has become a steady rain of prosperity and has to be admired, even envied. The spontaneous hospitality of some special friends like Jamshyd and Pheroza Godrej, Saurav Adhikari, Ajit Gulabchand, the Nandas, etc., was overwhelming. However, the negative rhetoric about the Pakistani army and the ISI is clearly ill-informed and incorrect, and thus unpalatable. BBC’s report about the “ISI training the Taliban” was often thrown at me. They had no answer when I gently informed them that the so-called Taliban leader had claimed that the ISI’s trainers came in ISI uniforms while members of no intelligence agency in the world wore uniforms. Maybe Pierre Cardin designs ISI uniforms, and the next thing you know we may have “designer” explosives!

As one of those who strongly believe that with certain caveats India must have MFN status, this rhetoric rankles. No partnership can sustain such constant negative rhetoric. South Asia is going nowhere without ultimately having one economy and one currency, the political preferences of each constituent has to be respected or otherwise there can be no deal. While rich Indians are certainly living in a different orbit, if not planet, than ours, a vast majority of Indians live in conditions as bad, or worse, than ours. Only with a truly South Asian Common Market is poverty alleviation possible for the vast mass of the desperately poor in the subcontinent, an overwhelming percentage of whom are Indians. Unfortunately for some super-rich Indian businessmen, the states on India’s periphery have become akin to “low caste” ones; indeed, they do not seem to exist for them. Indian policymakers, in government and outside, must recognise that as the economic engine of growth they have a responsibility to the people of the other states that surround India.

As The Times of India wrote in its editorial of Nov 14, “On the political front, there is no alternative to dialogue. Peace between India and Pakistan is crucial to South Asian stability and prosperity. It’s time to shed the baggage of the past and work towards a vibrant economic future, with the perspective of sparking a South Asian renaissance which benefits everybody in the region.”


The writer is a defence and political analyst. Email: isehgal@pathfinder9.com

At the WEF
 
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LoL, he claims to have visited India for attending WEF meet and he is talking about Gen Hussian's statement in Sri Nagar and then quoting JKLF in the same breath. India's caste system and poverty and the rural urban divide were also dutifully touched amongst fillers of other events and personal events. ISI and Pakistan army too has been given rightful mention and portrayed as the angles that they are.

Excellent report from the WEF meet. I mean as good as could have been written sitting in the Rawalpindi sprawling garrison in the comforts that it offers. :)
 
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LoL, he claims to have visited India for attending WEF meet and he is talking about Gen Hussian's statement in Sri Nagar and then quoting JKLF in the same breath. India's caste system and poverty and the rural urban divide were also dutifully touched amongst fillers of other events and personal events. ISI and Pakistan army too has been given rightful mention and portrayed as the angles that they are.

Excellent report from the WEF meet. I mean as good as could have been written sitting in the Rawalpindi sprawling garrison in the comforts that it offers. :)
.... all of which offers nothing in the way of supporting/refuting the arguments/opinions/views made in the article, especially in the highlighted sections.
 
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At the WEF’s ‘India Summit’


Ikram Sehgal
Thursday, November 17, 2011

Unfortunately for some super-rich Indian businessmen, the states on India’s periphery have become akin to “low caste” ones; indeed, they do not seem to exist for them. Indian policymakers, in government and outside, must recognise that as the economic engine of growth they have a responsibility to the people of the other states that surround India.

The writer is a defence and political analyst. Email: isehgal@pathfinder9.com

At the WEF

Why should India spend its energy, resources and time to develop its "surrounding states" especially one who considers India to be its Permanent Mortal Enemy No. 1 and has, in the words of an eminent "Air" Personality, declared War on and attacked India Four Times?

The Colonel goes to great leangths to highlight India's Poverty. That being the case how does he expect India to come to Pakistan's Economic and Financial Aid when it has the huge "Bank" of Poor in India?
 
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LoL, he claims to have visited India for attending WEF meet and he is talking about Gen Hussian's statement in Sri Nagar and then quoting JKLF in the same breath. India's caste system and poverty and the rural urban divide were also dutifully touched amongst fillers of other events and personal events. ISI and Pakistan army too has been given rightful mention and portrayed as the angles that they are.

Excellent report from the WEF meet. I mean as good as could have been written sitting in the Rawalpindi sprawling garrison in the comforts that it offers. :)
must be a WTF meet ...:smokin:
 
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same old kashmir, same old kashmir...cant pakistanis think of anything else other than that ?
 
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Indian policymakers, in government and outside, must recognise that as the economic engine of growth they have a responsibility to the people of the other states that surround India.

Hmm ... let us see how far that can go.

But the block is from Pakistan's side, because they insist on giving shelter to Dawood Ibrahim, and resolutely ensuring that the 26/11 trial goes nowhere.

They have a very clever game - India must provide evidence they say, while at the same time declaring that if India wants to investigate the crime where it was planned, i.e. in Pakistan, there will be a nuclear holocaust.
 
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Why should India spend its energy, resources and time to develop its "surrounding states" especially one who considers India to be its Permanent Mortal Enemy No. 1 and has, in the words of an eminent "Air" Personality, declared War on and attacked India Four Times?

The Colonel goes to great leangths to highlight India's Poverty. That being the case how does he expect India to come to Pakistan's Economic and Financial Aid when it has the huge "Bank" of Poor in India?
Where did the author argue for any of the nonsense you mentioned above?
 
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Hmm ... let us see how far that can go.

But the block is from Pakistan's side, because they insist on giving shelter to Dawood Ibrahim,
Pakistan does not shelter DI, nor is there any evidence supporting allegations of his presence in Pakistan - merely unsubstantiated Indian claims.

and resolutely ensuring that the 26/11 trial goes nowhere.
When India can provide actual evidence, rather than 'information in dossiers', then India will also have justification for asking why the alleged perpetrators trials are not going anywhere - even Indian officials have admitted that all they have provided in those dossiers is 'information', not evidence, and that they expect Pakistan to pursue the 'information' and develop evidence from there.
They have a very clever game - India must provide evidence they say, while at the same time declaring that if India wants to investigate the crime where it was planned, i.e. in Pakistan, there will be a nuclear holocaust.
Which Pakistani government official has threatened a nuclear holocaust over investigating the Mumbai attacks in Pakistan?

Are there any Indians left not living on another planet and coming up with wackier and wackier theories and claims against Pakistan?
 
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Pakistan does not shelter DI, nor is there any evidence supporting allegations of his presence in Pakistan - merely unsubstantiated Indian claims.


When India can provide actual evidence, rather than 'information in dossiers', then India will also have justification for asking why the alleged perpetrators trials are not going anywhere - even Indian officials have admitted that all they have provided in those dossiers is 'information', not evidence, and that they expect Pakistan to pursue the 'information' and develop evidence from there.

Which Pakistani government official has threatened a nuclear holocaust over investigating the Mumbai attacks in Pakistan?

Are there any Indians left not living on another planet and coming up with wackier and wackier theories and claims against Pakistan?

This is so funny. You say India has a responsibility to the surrounding states....and then go into great lengths about the poverty and general anarchy in India.

Finally, you top it up with denial of every single concern and allegation India has made against Pakistan. Dude, peace process is not a one way street. You cannot just "demand" this and that from India and give back nothing in return.
 
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This is so funny. You say India has a responsibility to the surrounding states....and then go into great lengths about the poverty and general anarchy in India.

Finally, you top it up with denial of every single concern and allegation India has made against Pakistan. Dude, peace process is not a one way street. You cannot just "demand" this and that from India and give back nothing in return.

unfortunately this is the famous "sense of entitlement" pakistanis show every other time..everyone should do everything for them by default...because as pakistanis they are automatically entitled to it...but they need not respect the concern of the other countries in return...
 
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This is so funny. You say India has a responsibility to the surrounding states....and then go into great lengths about the poverty and general anarchy in India.

Finally, you top it up with denial of every single concern and allegation India has made against Pakistan. Dude, peace process is not a one way street. You cannot just "demand" this and that from India and give back nothing in return.
I don't 'say' or 'go into great lengths' about anything.

Check your reading glasses and read the OP again.

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This is so funny. You say India has a responsibility to the surrounding states....and then go into great lengths about the poverty and general anarchy in India.

Finally, you top it up with denial of every single concern and allegation India has made against Pakistan. Dude, peace process is not a one way street. You cannot just "demand" this and that from India and give back nothing in return.
Poverty and 'general anarchy in India' is the truth, deal with it, as is the fact that the allegations Indians make against Pakistan remain unsubstantiated.

Finally, what exactly has been 'demanded of India without giving anything back in return'? Once again, 'Planet Earth calling Indians, planet Earth calling Indians' ...
 
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I don't know what it is with bharatis, but they continue throwing words around without knowing their meaning. It's very easy to through around such words. 'Denial' is one of such words. Do you guys seriously know what it means? Honest question. Don't use these kinds of words if you have no idea what they mean.
 
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I don't 'say' or 'go into great lengths' about anything.

Check your reading glasses and read the OP again.

I am not referring to this single thread alone when i say "great lengths".

BBC’s report about the “ISI training the Taliban” was often thrown at me. They had no answer when I gently informed them that the so-called Taliban leader had claimed that the ISI’s trainers came in ISI uniforms while members of no intelligence agency in the world wore uniforms.

Tell me how does an illiterate talib discern the name, designation , rank, unit of an officer by looking at the uniform? The talib guy probably uses ISI while referring to Pak mil/af etc. I do not doubt the veracity of the BBC report.

how, then, was the Indian Army vociferously and publicly objecting to the proposal by Chief Minister Omar Abdullah to curb the Armed Forces Special Powers Act (AFSPA) in Indian-Occupied Kashmir?

There are pak militant launchpads located all over Pakistan occupied Kashmir. The general belief is that it is the hostile external elements pushing for "lifting the AFSPA" in Kashmir. Simply put, we cannot ignore the threat posed by your country and its institutions. Lately the Indian Army has done a tremendous job of reducing the threat level in kashmir. Lifting the AFSPA would be like rolling back every effort made to ensure the peace prevailing in the region.

Let me put this in perspective, India is not prepared nor willing to let go of Kashmir. Deal with it. Or, you could simply start by making Pakistan occupied Kashmir a new country and expect India to follow suit.

South Asia is going nowhere without ultimately having one economy and one currency, the political preferences of each constituent has to be respected or otherwise there can be no deal.

Lol really? We seem to be doing pretty well without it.....

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unfortunately this is the famous "sense of entitlement" pakistanis show every other time..everyone should do everything for them by default...because as pakistanis they are automatically entitled to it...but they need not respect the concern of the other countries in return...

Truer words have never been said before ...:)
 
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