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Asia needs new military balance, not led by one major power: Indonesia's top general

It is India that is irresponsible by not following UN resolutions on Kashmir.
Indian part is still same apart from expelled kashmiri pandiths by your terrorist activity but its gilgit baltistan where you changed demography ..Will it be alright if we change demography of our part before going for a plebiscite ?? Who attacked independent state of jammu & kashmir after independence ?
 
Indian part is still same apart from expelled kashmiri pandiths

The Kashmiri Muslims of Jammu region were expelled in 1948 and they live in adjacent Punjab region of Pakistan. We support all people who had ancestors in 1947 living in Kashmir right to referendum in Kashmir that include Pandits of Kashmiri valley.
 
It is India that is irresponsible by not following UN resolutions on Kashmir.
How many time we have to teach you about Un resolution (facepalm)

First you have to remove tribals and your army from jnk then there should be plebiscite but you guys never fulfilled it so you guys violating the Un resolution.

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U.N.Resolution August 13, 1948.
This is the most significant resolution passed by the UN on the state of Jammu & Kashmir. It clearly states that Pakistan was to vacate its troops from the whole of the state. It also mentions, albeit indirectly, that Pakistan had consistently lied on the question of whether or not its troops were involved in the fighting in Jammu & Kashmir. Once the then Pakistani Prime Minister conceded that Pakistani troops were indeed involved, the UN had no option but to ask for their withdrawal. That the withdrawal never took place, is another story.


The United Nations Commission for India and Pakistan.

Having given careful consideration to the points of view expressed by the representatives of India and Pakistan regarding the situation in the State of Jammu and Kashmir; and

Being of the opinion that the prompt cessation of hostilities and the correction of conditions the continuance of which is likely to endanger international peace and security are essential to implementation of its endeavors to assist the Governments of India and Pakistan in effecting a final settlement of the situation;

Resolves to submit simultaneously to the Governments of India and Pakistan the following proposal:

PART I: CEASE-FIRE ORDER-- Done by both pakistan and india
A. The Governments of India and Pakistan agree that their respective High Commands will issue separately and simultaneously a cease-fire order to apply to all forces under their control and in the State of Jammu and Kashmir as of the earliest practicable date or dates to be mutually agreed upon within four days after these proposals have been accepted by both Governments.

B.The High Commands of the Indian and Pakistani forces agree to refrain from taking any measures that might augment the military potential of the forces under their control in the State of Jammu and Kashmir. ( For the purpose of these proposals forces under their control shall be considered to include all forces, organized and unorganized, fighting or participating in hostilities on their respective sides.

C.The Commanders-in-Chief of the forces of India and Pakistan shall promptly confer regarding any necessary local changes in present dispositions which may facilitate the cease-fire.

D. In its discretion and as the Commission may find practicable, the Commission will appoint military observers who, under the authority of the Commission and with the co-operation of both Commands, will supervise the observance of the cease-fire order.

E. The Government of India and the Government of Pakistan agree to appeal to their respective peoples to assist in creating and maintaining an atmosphere favourable to the promotion of further negotiations.

PART II: TRUCE AGREEMENT- Point A is not fulfilled by Pakistan yet so India can't implement point B
Simultaneously with the acceptance of the proposal for the immediate cessation of hostilities as outlined in Part I, both the Governments accept the following principles as a basis for the formulation of a truce agreement, the details of which shall be worked out in discussion between their representatives and the Commission.
A.- Not completed by Pakistan

1. As the presence of troops of Pakistan in the territory of the State of Jammu and Kashmir constitutes a material change in the situation since it was represented by the Government of Pakistan before the Security Council, the Government of Pakistan agrees to withdraw its troops from that State.

2. The Government of Pakistan will use its best endeavour to secure the withdrawal from the State of Jammu and Kashmir of tribesmen and Pakistani nationals not normally resident therein who have entered the State for the purpose of fighting.

3. Pending a final solution, the territory evacuated by the Pakistani troops will be administered by the local authorities under the surveillance of the commission.

B.- Indian waiting for pakistan to fulfill point A so we can implement point B

1.When the commission shall have notified the Government of India that the tribesmen and Pakistani nationals referred to in Part II, A, 2, hereof have withdrawn, thereby terminating the situation which was represented by the Government of India to the Security Council as having occasioned the presence of Indian forces in the State of Jammu and Kashmir, and further, that the Pakistani forces are being withdrawn from the State of Jammu and Kashmir, the Government of India agrees to begin to withdraw the bulk of its forces from that State in stages to be agreed upon with the Commission.

2. Pending the acceptance of the conditions for a final settlement of the situation in the State of Jammu and Kashmir, the Indian Government will maintain within the lines existing at the moment of the cease-fire the minimum strength of its forces which in agreement with the commission are considered necessary to assist local authorities in the observance of law and order. The Commission will have observers stationed where it deems necessary.

3. The Government of India will undertake to ensure that the Government of the State of Jammu and Kashmir will take all measures within its powers to make it publicly known that peace, law and order will be safeguarded and that all human political rights will be granted.

4. Upon signature, the full text of the truce agreement or a communique containing the principles thereof as agreed upon between the two Governments and the Commission, will be made public.

PART III

The Government of India and the Government of Pakistan reaffirm their wish that the future status of the State of Jammu and Kashmir shall be determined in accordance with the will of the people and to that end, upon acceptance of the truce agreement, both Governments agree to enter into consultations with the Commission to determine fair and equitable conditions whereby such free expression will be assured.

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Now who is not following Un resolution ?

ffs @zip bro have some knowledge first ,we are not the guilty party.
 
Both the armies of Malaysia, Indonesia and Philippines are a joke. The city state of Singapore has better air force than Indonesia. The Indonesia buys only 6 Su-30 from Russia while it need atlas 60 to defend its vast territory of islands. They will lose territory to more power enemies due to their own incompetence.

your country is very much a jokes instead, with more than thousands of Tanks and hundreds of jet fighter there is still going a lot of undeveloped parts in your country, not to mention large scale rebellion and terrorism activity and then you can compared with the progressive society of Indonesia and Malaysia and you will find if Pakistan is actually in no better position than us.

And please you don't constantly updating what Indonesia and Malaysia had build for her military in the last four years till today....
 
Seriously, I doubt that is the stance of Indonesia's government. Their government president wojoko has great respect for China president Xi. During his tough stance on illegal fishing issue. He sunk all capture nation fishing boat except China. His country is enjoying a massive economic boom with China trade.

I believen Indonesia is trying to ease region tension but no way, they will think China is the cause of all this tension.

The OP is a pro vietnam forumer. He will post things that suit his agenda.

Indonesia govt is not puppet of China. don't dream.
 
.... updating what Indonesia had build for her military in the last four years till today....

Indonesia has only 12 F-16 and 16 Su-30 and they are located close to South China Sea where we may see conflict due to claims by a superpower. Indonesia can live in fantasy of progressive society but will have a rude awakening.
 
That is why India is arming itself to the teeth. The Indonesia with thousands of islands need powerful airforce and navy.
The best strategy of Indonesia is to work peacefully with China which is what they are doing now. That will save them lot of resources and then they can concentrated on malaysia or Australia which are much bigger threat.
 
Indonesia has only 12 F-16 and 16 Su-30 and they are located close to South China Sea where we may see conflict due to claims by a superpower. Indonesia can live in fantasy of progressive society but will have a rude awakening.

You are not updating your knowledge, still ignorant....
 
So much of your warmongering. You just earn your 50cent

China has claimed Natuna waters as their territorial waters which are in Indonesia but over a thousand miles from Chinese coast.
 
The best strategy of Indonesia is to work peacefully with China which is what they are doing now. That will save them lot of resources and then they can concentrated on malaysia or Australia which are much bigger threat.

the best thing we can do is trying to balancing all of the threats and manage all of the potential conflict we had with our neighbors and somehow this had been work for times.....

If we do it like the Pakistani, we will spent most of our resources for military, and we can't afford that at all since our geography dictates otherwise.
 
Indonesia govt is not puppet of China. don't dream.

I never say indonesia is a puppet of China but at the moment. They are non hostile to China. Wojoko is a very patriotic Javanese and very rational. That is why he did not think twice to sink flea boat of vietnamese while Chinese fisher boat are still intact.

You can see how low vietnam rank in political scene. :lol:

You vietnam is nothing in the eyes of ASEAN.

China has claimed Natuna waters as their territorial waters which are in Indonesia but over a thousand miles from Chinese coast.
Another nonsense stance and you just earn another 50cents :lol:
 
I never say indonesia is a puppet of China but at the moment. They are non hostile to China. Wojoko is a very patriotic Javanese and very rational. That is why he did not think twice to sink flea boat of vietnamese while Chinese fisher boat are still intact.

You can see how low vietnam rank in political scene. :lol:

You vietnam is nothing in the eyes of ASEAN.


Another nonsense stance and you just earn another 50cents :lol:

Indonesia president said that Nine dashed claim of China is baseless. Do you know that ?:enjoy:
 
@Hu Songshan @waz @Manticore @Oscar , Sirs, can we please remove "SelfServe".

Corrected :enjoy:

I never say indonesia is a puppet of China but at the moment. They are non hostile to China. Wojoko is a very patriotic Javanese and very rational. That is why he did not think twice to sink flea boat of vietnamese while Chinese fisher boat are still intact.

You can see how low vietnam rank in political scene. :lol:

You vietnam is nothing in the eyes of ASEAN.


Another nonsense stance and you just earn another 50cents :lol:

WTF we own the copyright to 50 cent tgibg
Get your own insults man what low GDP & Poverty is not enough for you
 
Corrected :enjoy:



WTF we own the copyright to 50 cent tgibg
Get your own insults man what low GDP & Poverty is not enough for you
So heroic of you? You earn another 49cent for yrself. :lol:

Small and yet brag like a lion is something non desirable for the vietnamese forumer.
 
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