As of today. Strait of Hormuz is closed for US

[LeGenD]

khalij fars is IRI guided

True capabilities of the softkill approaches of USN vessels are understandably classified. We have general information to consider:

Then there are decoys. There are six-barreled launchers on the deck that can spit out chaff that can throw off radar-guided missiles and flares that will draw away missiles with infrared seekers. Arleigh Burke vessels also have nifty Nulka active missile decoy systems, which fire a hovering rocket that mimics a ship and "seduces" a missile away from the real thing. "After launch, the Nulka decoy radiates a large, ship-like radar cross section while flying a trajectory that lures ASMs away from their intended targets," the U.S. Navy says. "Australia developed the hovering rocket while the U.S. developed the electronic payload." - Popular Mechanics

And hardkill approaches of USN vessels can take care of ASBMs regardless.

shkval/hoot is under water rocket, they are not guided.

This strike platform is not mature: http://www.chinatopix.com/articles/...kval-supercavitating-torpedo-will-failure.htm

Being noisy and lack of guidance are not desirable characteristics for warfare in modern times.

Good discussion in this link: https://www.quora.com/Why-arent-supercavitating-torpedoes-the-standard-in-the-navy

Additional information: https://www.naval-technology.com/features/featurethe-allure-of-supercavitating-torpedoes-5838643/

millennium challenge only stimulated the rocket boats, kamikaze boats and cruise missiles.

USN have conducted numerous complex simulations over the course of years, each representing a different warfighting scenario, and drawing lessons from each. You should expect USN to have done extensive homework for exiting and emerging threats over time.

 

[Mithridates]

True capabilities of the softkill approaches of USN vessels are understandably classified. We have general information to consider:

Then there are decoys. There are six-barreled launchers on the deck that can spit out chaff that can throw off radar-guided missiles and flares that will draw away missiles with infrared seekers. Arleigh Burke vessels also have nifty Nulka active missile decoy systems, which fire a hovering rocket that mimics a ship and "seduces" a missile away from the real thing. "After launch, the Nulka decoy radiates a large, ship-like radar cross section while flying a trajectory that lures ASMs away from their intended targets," the U.S. Navy says. "Australia developed the hovering rocket while the U.S. developed the electronic payload." - Popular Mechanics

And hardkill approaches of USN vessels can take care of ASBMs regardless.


This strike platform is not mature: http://www.chinatopix.com/articles/...kval-supercavitating-torpedo-will-failure.htm

Being noisy and lack of guidance are not desirable characteristics for warfare in modern times.

Good discussion in this link: https://www.quora.com/Why-arent-supercavitating-torpedoes-the-standard-in-the-navy

Additional information: https://www.naval-technology.com/features/featurethe-allure-of-supercavitating-torpedoes-5838643/


USN have conducted numerous complex simulations over the course of years, each representing a different warfighting scenario, and drawing lessons from each. You should expect USN to have done extensive homework for exiting and emerging threats over time.

IRI=infrared imaging, they don't seek heat they go after the shape.
so shkvl may fail but not US counter measures systems??

 

[Crystal-Clear]

That is your opinion and I respect that, but look at the bigger picture look towards bigger and better things, take Europe as example.

not possible.

 

[Hack-Hook]

Persian Gulf missile as in Khalij Fars?

Both Softkill approaches and hardkill approaches have been devised to neutralize this kind of threat by now.

[1] Softkill approaches include powerful electronic warfare gear and cutting-edge decoy systems to jam/spoof/confuse incoming threats. One of these decoy systems is NULKA which is very effective against radar-guided threats of types. FYI: https://www.navy.mil/navydata/fact_display.asp?cid=2100&tid=587&ct=2

Should the entire spectrum of softkill approaches fail to work (unlikely but let us assume otherwise), hardkill approaches will come into play next or in tandem.

[2] USN have developed incredibly maneuverable SM-2 Block IV and SM-6 interceptors to neutralize ASBMs and much more - hardkill options. To give you an idea; during the course of unadvertised trials in 2016, these interceptors defeated advanced ASBM variants simulating the capabilities of Chinese DF-21D class.

There.

Shkval/hoot torpedo?

Again, both softkill approaches and hardkill approaches have been devised to neutralize this kind of threat by now.

"At present, American submarines use a combination of electronic warfare jammers and acoustic decoys to defeat incoming torpedoes. This works well against threats that use active and passive sonar to home in on their targets." - Tyler Rogoway

For potential targets which might be cutting-edge to the point that they can get through American softkill approaches, American hardkill approaches will come into play or in tandem:

"The Navy has already developed multiple variants of the CVLWT, the best known of which is the Countermeasure Anti-Torpedo (CAT), also called the Anti-Torpedo Torpedo (ATT). This is a defensive “hard-kill” interceptor that is supposed to destroy incoming torpedoes by either slamming into them or destroying them with its explosive warhead." - Tyler Rogoway

There.

or cruise missile launcher boats??

Majority of navies do not have credible defenses against cruise missiles and ballistic missiles in general, but USN is becoming an exception to this norm.

Refer to [1] and [2] above; same set of defenses are also optimized to defeat cruise missiles.

Eye-openers, right?

American naval assets are equipped with (very) powerful set of sensor systems at present - technologies that are NOT approved for export to numerous countries worldwide. These sensor systems can notice and distinguish potential targets with very small RCS such as cruise missiles and develop a fire solution for these seemingly elusive threats.

Ballistic missiles; Cruise Missiles; Torpedoes; Drones; Aircraft and whatever - all are fair game for USN now.

As for how to track Iranian naval formations and even submarines?

All of the above is post 2002 stuff, based on lessons drawn from the much touted American Millennium Falcon naval simulation.

In fact, too much to highlight in a single post. Just do your homework.

love USN try to use jammers and decoys against Hoot, or Persian Gulf missiles

 

[925boy]

You are overrating a hospital patient. Iran is alot weaker than you realize and have always been.

Is that sooooo? I believe you say this mostly based on what you SEE publicly. You have to start putting things together for yourself. These types of arguments you make will make me chew your arguments up pretty easily.

Iran is the definition of paper-tiger I don't rate them much.

If Iran is such a paper tiger how come the problems its causing for its ME neighbors IS SO MUCH, muslims(GCC) and Jews(ISrael) have to work together to overcome it? Facts! If Iran was really as weak as you say it is, that wouldnt need to happen in the first place. You see, you are looking at the ME as a mathematical, obvious, basic logic equations. You are not factoring in mindsets, willpower, networks, geography, timing, alliances, preparations,vulnerabilities, secrets, etc.

Technology wise Iran has nothing else but junk military hardware nothing really to be excited about.

Is that soooooooo? Well if its so junk them how come US, GCC, EU, with ALL THEIR $300 trillion worth of weapons cant invade and smash the "extremist theocratic regime" in Tehran??? THis is obviously a lie, because reality on the ground shows Iran is a hard stone to move. Even US isnt ready to move that stone. Most of Iran's enemies have better conventional capabilities(mostly on paper because it hasnt been proven they will work against Iran), but None of Iran's enemies can match Iran's asymmetrical warfare capabilities(which has been proven on the ground in the ME). Warfare nowadays is primarily asymmetrical.

Tiny nations like UAE and Israel can overcome them single handedly.

You dont know much( thats facts). If US wouldnt come and help UAE and ISrael, Iran will engage them tomorrow. Iran can defeat these small, geographically and demographically disadvantaged countries. Israel couldnt even fight Hezbollah for a full 30 days without requesting bombs from US but you and i know Iran can fight Israel and UAE combined for years with no outside help. UAE's troops and special forces got hit so bad in Yemen, UAE started withdrawing them after they took 1 big loss some years ago. THe onlys things UAE will have more than IRan are technology and money. nothing else! if you're one of those people who think technology and money alone will win wars, im afraid you're already wrong. US has lots of both and cant win 1 war today.

All that you have written is waste of space.

Youre the one who wrote stuff that wasted space. why? you dont have strong knowledge on this subject matter. I know more than you do, sorry, because you make basic ***, year 2000- appropriate commments an conclusions.
If Iran was really that weak why does US have to NOW try to sanction Iran's oil to $0 sales? there's only one reason- Iranian doesnt go down easy. 34 years of not going down proves that.
It depends on motivation if several nations are motivated to regime change in iran it will happen without a doubt.

As someone who takes interest in Military hardware I can tell you Iran is alot weaker than you realize and will have to be forced on defensive wars even against tiny neighbour nations

Funny enough, these comments here are quite appropraite for the GCC and US actually- despite their top of the line military equipment, they're not ready to lose lives to defeat Iran. They know they will have to return BODIES back home and they are not ready for that, hence their lack of attack on Iran.

after all those defeats it is still paxa americana

you're either slow or late. Fellow American, realize its now Pax American and China. If you still have that mindset that as of today, American can smash any country militarily on earth, you are ALREADY LATE. US doesnt have the same space to maneuver, over militarization by US made other countries overmilitarize too, hence why they;'re so hard to overcome these days.

 

[_Sherdils_]

Zarif recently said that the strait is open to US but they have to talk to IRGC before entering. Basically he is saying they need permission from IRGC to enter the strait, but if they ask, they will get permission.

Why make bold statements before anyway?

Iranian government is like a child that throws his toys at the first instance of displeasure.

Not fit to govern and make decisions impacting the lives of millions.

 

[nahtanbob]

you're either slow or late. Fellow American, realize its now Pax American and China. If you still have that mindset that as of today, American can smash any country militarily on earth, you are ALREADY LATE. US doesnt have the same space to maneuver, over militarization by US made other countries overmilitarize too, hence why they;'re so hard to overcome these days.

China does not have the network of allies to compete with USA

 

[Titanium100]

Is that sooooo? I believe you say this mostly based on what you SEE publicly. You have to start putting things together for yourself. These types of arguments you make will make me chew your arguments up pretty easily.


If Iran is such a paper tiger how come the problems its causing for its ME neighbors IS SO MUCH, muslims(GCC) and Jews(ISrael) have to work together to overcome it? Facts! If Iran was really as weak as you say it is, that wouldnt need to happen in the first place. You see, you are looking at the ME as a mathematical, obvious, basic logic equations. You are not factoring in mindsets, willpower, networks, geography, timing, alliances, preparations,vulnerabilities, secrets, etc.


Is that soooooooo? Well if its so junk them how come US, GCC, EU, with ALL THEIR $300 trillion worth of weapons cant invade and smash the "extremist theocratic regime" in Tehran??? THis is obviously a lie, because reality on the ground shows Iran is a hard stone to move. Even US isnt ready to move that stone. Most of Iran's enemies have better conventional capabilities(mostly on paper because it hasnt been proven they will work against Iran), but None of Iran's enemies can match Iran's asymmetrical warfare capabilities(which has been proven on the ground in the ME). Warfare nowadays is primarily asymmetrical.


You dont know much( thats facts). If US wouldnt come and help UAE and ISrael, Iran will engage them tomorrow. Iran can defeat these small, geographically and demographically disadvantaged countries. Israel couldnt even fight Hezbollah for a full 30 days without requesting bombs from US but you and i know Iran can fight Israel and UAE combined for years with no outside help. UAE's troops and special forces got hit so bad in Yemen, UAE started withdrawing them after they took 1 big loss some years ago. THe onlys things UAE will have more than IRan are technology and money. nothing else! if you're one of those people who think technology and money alone will win wars, im afraid you're already wrong. US has lots of both and cant win 1 war today.


Youre the one who wrote stuff that wasted space. why? you dont have strong knowledge on this subject matter. I know more than you do, sorry, because you make basic ***, year 2000- appropriate commments an conclusions.
If Iran was really that weak why does US have to NOW try to sanction Iran's oil to $0 sales? there's only one reason- Iranian doesnt go down easy. 34 years of not going down proves that.
It depends on motivation if several nations are motivated to regime change in iran it will happen without a doubt.


Funny enough, these comments here are quite appropraite for the GCC and US actually- despite their top of the line military equipment, they're not ready to lose lives to defeat Iran. They know they will have to return BODIES back home and they are not ready for that, hence their lack of attack on Iran.


you're either slow or late. Fellow American, realize its now Pax American and China. If you still have that mindset that as of today, American can smash any country militarily on earth, you are ALREADY LATE. US doesnt have the same space to maneuver, over militarization by US made other countries overmilitarize too, hence why they;'re so hard to overcome these days.

You have wrote all that text of wall and it's based on nothing.

I ask you dosen't UAE have air-superiority over IRAN in Hormuz? The answer is simple yes.

Iran dosen't have good military equipment this is also another fact and dosen't need me replying with a wall of text.

On an all out war Israel will destroy Lebanon to the ground with ease this is also another militarily fact. Israel has air-superiorty over Iran this is also another militarily fact.

The US never commited to attack and in fact nobody ever did but if it happens there is not much it can put up.

Spreading rag-tag militias has nothing to do with power or conventional power

 

[925boy]

The US has a level of technology, and a quantity that it can acheive almost anything it wants.

If this is true why cant US extricate itself out of Afghanistan?
If this is true why cant US reclaim SCS islands China stole from neighbors?
If this is true why is North Korea waiting for US to come in and "denuclearize by force"?
If this is true why cant US ensure ISrael's security and install a pro-US govt in Lebanon?
If this is true why wasnt US able to destroy Assad's govt and army after 11 years?

Sorry my brother, your comment is more appropriate for year 2000.

It has an ability for force projection that no country can match. It can inflict a level of punishment on Iran that is almost unimaginable.

THEORIES and hypotheticals my brother! First of all, any US "force projection" into Iran will lead US to a recession because the reality is the US doesnt have money to fight another big war yet. US enemies are more motivated to not lose to the US.

I cannot see it putting boots on the ground, and frankly I don't see the Saudis fulfilling that role. Any Iranian 'invasion' of the Arab world would be stopped in its' tracks by US airpower.

Ok you're making sense here.

The card the Iranians have is blocking the flow of oil, but how long they can do that for with the US devastating their homeland is questionable.

Iran has more cards:
1) Nuclear blackmail of region(If Iran wants)
2) Dominate regional govts and make them more anti-US
3)150-300K asymmetrical/proxy ground forces present in the ME to block or attack any adversaries(eg Israel)
4)Keep US bogged down in Afghanistan
5)Destabilize US regional allies(eg Yemen war and KSA)


My brother, EVERYBODY has power, but it depends on timing, context, willpower, etc.

Americans are made to think US can crush any country and things will be fast, affordable and effective. When we see the results we realize they are everything but fast, affordable and effective.

China does not have the network of allies to compete with USA

IMo US allies are useless. Without US and their other colleagues they have low morale and motivation to fight Iran. Take US out of NATO and whose strong enough AND willing to fight? Iran is not even afraid of US allies for the most part. Its US Iran is only worried about.

 

[jamal18]

@925boy
Bud, the US has a military capabilty beyond, far beyond, any other country. I didn't say it can do everything.
Obviously it cannot 'occupy' a country long term. In the short term it can unleash enough firepower to demolish just about any country.

Yes, Iran has made major strides in military technology, but it is nowhere enough to take on the US. The US might choose never to invade Iran, just reduce it to the stoneage. It is perfectly able to do that.

 

[925boy]

Bud, the US has a military capabilty beyond, far beyond, any other country. I didn't say it can do everything.

I know US cant do everything(afterall, we're all mere mortals, not gods), but whats the use of "capabilities far beyond any other country" if you cant use that to achieve anything serious or real? Also, US doesnt have capabilities far beyond China. Militarily, US doesnt have capabilities far beyond Russia either.

Obviously it cannot 'occupy' a country long term. In the short term it can unleash enough firepower to demolish just about any country.

Ok, but this is exactly the issue here- you're focusing on WHAT US can do, i'm focusing on what US will do (in the realistic world context).

Yes, Iran has made major strides in military technology, but it is nowhere enough to take on the US.

Agreed, but i worry regionally Iran pulls way more weight than US (relative to capabilities, wealth, alliances,wealth etc)

The US might choose never to invade Iran, just reduce it to the stoneage. It is perfectly able to do that.

China or RUssia will prevent that. Like i told u all before, this world has already changed and daddy America not liking you isnt the end of the world. Have the right allies(like Assad) and you will survive America(but pre 2000 you didnt have this option).

 

[LeGenD]

IRI=infrared imaging, they don't seek heat they go after the shape.

Right.

FYI: https://www.spiedigitallibrary.org/...nfrared-seekers/10.1117/12.580550.short?SSO=1

Tip of the iceberg for you.

"The Mk 36 Mod 12 Super Rapid Bloom Offboard Countermeasures Chaff and Decoy Launching System (SRBOC) is used to thwart attacks by anti-ship missiles. It is a mortar-like system which fires infrared decoys and chaff, obscuring the destroyer's silhouette and frustrating missile guidance systems." - Alex Hempel

Americans are much informed about modern methods of warfare - you are unlikely to surprise them. Softkill approaches + Hardkill approaches = your strike options blunted to large extent.

You should rather be concerned about a probable scenario; USN will decide to strike at Iranian naval assets, coastal radar systems, other radar systems, command & communications infrastructure, TELs of ballistic missiles, airports, jet fighters, military bases, and various centers of powers across Iran with massive volleys of VLO class cruise missiles, drones and cutting-edge jet fighters - crippling blows which will leave many Iranian strike platforms and options in the dust. They will not be waiting for your ASBM to get to them and play 'catch me if you can' with your forces. They will rather play 'defense through offense' game with your forces. Open your eyes sonny.

What I have disclosed to you, is for your general knowledge. What USN and USAF can/will do - is what you need to worry about instead.

@Hack-Hook

so shkvl may fail but not US counter measures systems??

You expect experimental stuff to deliever results in heated combat situations? You are not being wise.

Western defense applications work as advertised on average. Any doubts?

 

[mangekyo]

Man I wonder what the average age of people here is..

Can I kill my neighbor and steal his money? Yes. Do I dare do it? can I afford the consequences? No
Can US turn Iran to dust? Yes, Do they dare do it? Can they afford the consequences? No

We already know what power the US military has, no need to copy paste the internet. But this isn't a video game, its reality, we don't live in a post apocalyptic world. Yes, US can destroy Iran, they can turn us into dust, they can nuke us, it's that simple. But wars have consequences, and US cant afford the consequences of a war with Iran. There is absolutely no objective, no plan, where the US comes out as a winner after a war with Iran. Both sides will lose.

 

[Hamartia Antidote]

Considering this was yesterday and nothing has happened I think it wasn’t.

Remember the US has a large Navy base in Bahrain which is INSIDE the strait.

 

[925boy]

Iran has no air force to speak of how are they expecting to stop them?

False.

I

Iran haven't missiles out of 2000km range

Pls how do you know this as accurate?