As of today. Strait of Hormuz is closed for US

[Wilhelm II]

False.
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Pls how do you know this as accurate?

I know not accurate but Iran official claim

False.
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Pls how do you know this as accurate?

But you know that this airforce not modern

 

[PDF]

USN is not someone you want to pick fight with. And that too when you are alone... Lets hope no serious incident occurs.

 

[925boy]

You have wrote all that text of wall and it's based on nothing.

LMAO. And your comments are based on what? Gimme a break.

I ask you dosen't UAE have air-superiority over IRAN in Hormuz? The answer is simple yes.

This comment confirms you dont understand the reality and complexity of war these days. US has air superiority over all countries, but does that guarantee US can win a war against any of those countries? NO. As a matter of fact, we can even bet that those with air superiority wont win, cuz we know wars are won mostly by ground troops, not air power.

Iran dosen't have good military equipment this is also another fact and dosen't need me replying with a wall of text.

You really believe the owner of better equipment wins? You are oversimplifying complex things. Even daddy America with better equipment is afraid of starting new wars so what does that tell you? Israel's new equipment cant win her wars- AMerica's support for ISrael helps Israel win her wars.

On an all out war Israel will destroy Lebanon to the ground with ease this is also another militarily fact

1)Doing so is a violation of International law.
2) That still wont dislodge Hezbollah.
3) Israel did that in the last war BECAUSE ISrael was frustrated it couldnt route Hezbollah from S.Lebanon.

Israel has air-superiorty over Iran this is also another militarily fact.

Its an irrelevant fact when you exclude the military context. You also know ISraeli strategists agreed ISrael striking Iran via air will only delay Iran's nuclear program by a few years right? So ISraelis already know their airpower cant overcome Iran. Finally, the logistics aka air tankers to carry a big IAF group to and from Iran doesnt really exist so there goes your point out the window.

The US never commited to attack

Correct, but thats because the US knows it will be a waste of money, blood, ME stability...to not achieve the war objectives.

and in fact nobody ever did but if it happens there is not much it can put up.

A hypothetical so anything can happen.

Spreading rag-tag militias has nothing to do with power or conventional power

IN YOUR OPINION. THats Iran's method, and US+ Israel+ GCC have struggled till this day to counter it succesfully. facts!

I know not accurate but Iran official claim


But you know that this airforce not modern

Modern airforces are overrated.

 

[The SC]

In brief.. The US will not want to talk to the IRGC which it just put on its terrorist list.. The matter is quite complicated.. maybe Iran should let its navy take that role, otherwise there might be some bad consequences and even confrontations between the US navy and the IRGC..in a limited naval war where Iran might lose most of its naval force.. and thus the US will insure the strait of Hormuz free traffic..

 

[Mithridates]

True capabilities of the softkill approaches of USN vessels are understandably classified. We have general information to consider:

Then there are decoys. There are six-barreled launchers on the deck that can spit out chaff that can throw off radar-guided missiles and flares that will draw away missiles with infrared seekers. Arleigh Burke vessels also have nifty Nulka active missile decoy systems, which fire a hovering rocket that mimics a ship and "seduces" a missile away from the real thing. "After launch, the Nulka decoy radiates a large, ship-like radar cross section while flying a trajectory that lures ASMs away from their intended targets," the U.S. Navy says. "Australia developed the hovering rocket while the U.S. developed the electronic payload." - Popular Mechanics

And hardkill approaches of USN vessels can take care of ASBMs regardless.


This strike platform is not mature: http://www.chinatopix.com/articles/...kval-supercavitating-torpedo-will-failure.htm

Being noisy and lack of guidance are not desirable characteristics for warfare in modern times.

Good discussion in this link: https://www.quora.com/Why-arent-supercavitating-torpedoes-the-standard-in-the-navy

Additional information: https://www.naval-technology.com/features/featurethe-allure-of-supercavitating-torpedoes-5838643/


USN have conducted numerous complex simulations over the course of years, each representing a different warfighting scenario, and drawing lessons from each. You should expect USN to have done extensive homework for exiting and emerging threats over time.

this is how a heat seeking missile see a target:

and this is how a IIR missile see it's target:

in the first case a flare can seduce the missile but in second one it depends on targeting algoritm.

Open your eyes sonny

no you should open your eyes, you think based on what they are developing systems for f-35 to detect ballistic missiles?? it shows that they feel insecure about our missiles and shows that they did not had a capability to counter it, it shows that for the first time in the world it's the US that changes its tactics to fit the adversary parties capabilities.
and in the end, in sake of inlighting you: to blind a IIR missile you use laser not flare.

about our air force that some claim it is on the feet because of cannibalizing:
iran-iraq war took 8 years: 8*365=2920. we needed 7/24 air cover over western and southern borders (where our oil wells are), and if we assume that 12 f-14s can cover all the areas we have:
providing air superiority for a day: 12*24=288 hours
2920*288=840960 hours
an f-14 service life is 5000, so:
840960/5000=168.it means if we cannibalized our fleet to meet our requirement, we would need 168 tomcats while our fleet was 79. i said this before our f-14 fleet is ~60 we grounded more than half of it for the same reason that US retired them, but that does not mean they will not fly in case of war. also we bought 40 su-24 and 40 f-7 and 40 mig-29s while wikipedia says bullcrap.

I ask you dosen't UAE have air-superiority over IRAN in Hormuz? The answer is simple yes.

a single s-300 pmu2 can turn emirati planes to ash, let alone our f-14s

Iran dosen't have good military equipment this is also another fact and dosen't need me replying with a wall of text.

well if you consider israeli uzi rubin as an expert in missiles, he once said our (iran) ballistic missiles are in world class.
it's funny that you are comparing UAE to us, UAE will be a clean desert in first hours.

 

[Beast]

Lol. This is bs. I dare them to just block one Saudi oil vessel at hormuz. Saudis will launch a direct attack without conditions. Bombing Tehren.

The US dosen't use Hormuz try to block saudi oil transport and see for yourself what will happen

Saudi can't even beat little Yemen and you brag about Saudi taking on Iran? Lol..

 

[yavar]

well if you consider israeli uzi rubin as an expert in missiles, he once said our (iran) ballistic missiles are in world class.
it's funny that you are comparing UAE to us, UAE will be a clean desert in first hours.

 

[zartosht]

i think people are completely misunderstanding what zarif is saying...

he's just simply pointing out the absurdity of labling a countrys official armed forces as a "terrorist" organisation.

those "terrorists" have official duties, like protecting the Persian gulf. and US and other shipping passing by have to communicate with IRGC vessels on a near daily basis.

does this make sense? does any civilized countries armed forces engage in this sort of routine interaction with other terrorist organizations like ISIS, al Qaeda etc?? thats what he's basically pointing out. not making a grand threat that the Persian gulf is closed to the US

 

[Titanium100]

LMAO. And your comments are based on what? Gimme a break.


This comment confirms you dont understand the reality and complexity of war these days. US has air superiority over all countries, but does that guarantee US can win a war against any of those countries? NO. As a matter of fact, we can even bet that those with air superiority wont win, cuz we know wars are won mostly by ground troops, not air power.


You really believe the owner of better equipment wins? You are oversimplifying complex things. Even daddy America with better equipment is afraid of starting new wars so what does that tell you? Israel's new equipment cant win her wars- AMerica's support for ISrael helps Israel win her wars.


1)Doing so is a violation of International law.
2) That still wont dislodge Hezbollah.
3) Israel did that in the last war BECAUSE ISrael was frustrated it couldnt route Hezbollah from S.Lebanon.


Its an irrelevant fact when you exclude the military context. You also know ISraeli strategists agreed ISrael striking Iran via air will only delay Iran's nuclear program by a few years right? So ISraelis already know their airpower cant overcome Iran. Finally, the logistics aka air tankers to carry a big IAF group to and from Iran doesnt really exist so there goes your point out the window.


Correct, but thats because the US knows it will be a waste of money, blood, ME stability...to not achieve the war objectives.

A hypothetical so anything can happen.


IN YOUR OPINION. THats Iran's method, and US+ Israel+ GCC have struggled till this day to counter it succesfully. facts!


Modern airforces are overrated.

Lmao. This is hilarious.

This is equal to trying saying SANTA claus is real. I swear your just writing a wall of text for the sake of it. I called your bluff

this is how a heat seeking missile see a target:
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and this is how a IIR missile see it's target:
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in the first case a flare can seduce the missile but in second one it depends on targeting algoritm.

no you should open your eyes, you think based on what they are developing systems for f-35 to detect ballistic missiles?? it shows that they feel insecure about our missiles and shows that they did not had a capability to counter it, it shows that for the first time in the world it's the US that changes its tactics to fit the adversary parties capabilities.
and in the end, in sake of inlighting you: to blind a IIR missile you use laser not flare.

about our air force that some claim it is on the feet because of cannibalizing:
iran-iraq war took 8 years: 8*365=2920. we needed 7/24 air cover over western and southern borders (where our oil wells are), and if we assume that 12 f-14s can cover all the areas we have:
providing air superiority for a day: 12*24=288 hours
2920*288=840960 hours
an f-14 service life is 5000, so:
840960/5000=168.it means if we cannibalized our fleet to meet our requirement, we would need 168 tomcats while our fleet was 79. i said this before our f-14 fleet is ~60 we grounded more than half of it for the same reason that US retired them, but that does not mean they will not fly in case of war. also we bought 40 su-24 and 40 f-7 and 40 mig-29s while wikipedia says bullcrap.


a single s-300 pmu2 can turn emirati planes to ash, let alone our f-14s

well if you consider israeli uzi rubin as an expert in missiles, he once said our (iran) ballistic missiles are in world class.
it's funny that you are comparing UAE to us, UAE will be a clean desert in first hours.

S-300 or what not. UAE has air-superiority over Iran anyone who says otherwise is handicapped has no militarily knowlegde

 

[OldTwilight]

A useless bluff , Peaple like me were warning them for years to not disarm Iran ... But those old guys despite all of their talks were afraid of the west ( after all , most ofof the children are living there ) and repeat Saddam and Qaddafi mistakes .....

The only salvation is to change the situation by making extreme move .... Like building and testing nukes

 

[Mav3rick]

nuclear armed Iran would be kryptonite for everyone in the neighborhood
for starters pakistan would one of several Muslim nuclear states

Evidently, it was Pakistan which was providing assistance to Iran on her Nuclear quest. And it was Iran, unfortunately, which pointed to Pakistan's involvement (read as Abdul Qadeer Khan) in Iran's enrichment program.

IMHO, a dozen or so Muslim Nuclear States wouldn't really be bad for the world, it may actually provide some sort of parity with rogue (read as American) state and her slave allies.

 

[Bengal71]

Not really Iran will crumble under pressure if anything it will be war to eliminate them. Saudi has many allies in the region to take care of matters. Iran will have to fire back at Saudi arabia thats when you will see neighbours invading Iran from all corners. Saudi is holy land and war on the holy land is war on all Muslims. This will not go well for Iran. Turkey and Pakistan will have to by default intervene on behalf of Saudi Arabia. The holy land belongs to all muslims and the protection of it is for all and required by all muslims

Saudi Arabia is NOT holy land. Makkah and Madina are holy land.

You are truly dreaming my friend. Do you think anyone sane wants Shiites in the holy land. You are ridiculous with that comment. All it takes is one missile from Iran. Atleast the House of saud are not filth like the Iranians. This is unacceptable by all means and necessary. Everyone by obligation will have to invade Iran on behalf of Saudi arabia if attacked this is certainity. Most countries will definitely launch invasion

You are actually dreaming. The Sunni Islamic world does NOT consider the Saudi state as holy land, only Makkah and Madina. And I would say in the Sunni world house of Saud is despised, except for the Salafis.

No lie detected here.

If the Arab coalition waged war on Iran without US/NATO/Europe support, then Iran will wipe the floor with all gulfie states.

Not a Shia am a Sunni but I would volunteer to fight for Iran against Arabs.



No one is gonna do crap, Arabs are being fooled by Uncle Sam and paying billions in protection, someone has to be painted out as a bogeyman so let’s paint Iran that bogeyman since it’s easier to do so as it of different Islamic sect.

Saudia or any gulf nation can’t do nothing, reason because they lack confidence, self belief and most importantly courage, even though they have the best weaponry available.

Iran has what Pakistan has and it’s called Jazba, we all come out all ready to kill or be killed, that you won’t find in the lands of sands.

Agreed. I think even in the Sunni world, Irani Mullah regime has more respect. The defiance of the western and Israeli pressure even at the cost of decades of sanction earned them the respect.

Yes, Iran has the Jazba. Also it's not any random land/nation to mess around with. It's the land of Persia, one of the greatest empires in human history, they have the Persian pride, won't bow down just like that. If Iran is attacked by the Arab ba$tards, I hope Iran nukes them.

 

[Arsalan 345]

The best way to move forward is to send positive message to Americans otherwise there is no way Iran can win military confrontation against america.they have latest technology.they don't even need to come closer to Irani vessels.they have stand off weapons.i think iran is all alone.damage would be too high if nobody buy Irani oil. to sell oil,Iran must make a positive gesture.sometimes you need planning for better future specially when you are dealing enemy like america.

 

[Hack-Hook]

Right.

FYI: https://www.spiedigitallibrary.org/...nfrared-seekers/10.1117/12.580550.short?SSO=1

Tip of the iceberg for you.

"The Mk 36 Mod 12 Super Rapid Bloom Offboard Countermeasures Chaff and Decoy Launching System (SRBOC) is used to thwart attacks by anti-ship missiles. It is a mortar-like system which fires infrared decoys and chaff, obscuring the destroyer's silhouette and frustrating missile guidance systems." - Alex Hempel

Americans are much informed about modern methods of warfare - you are unlikely to surprise them. Softkill approaches + Hardkill approaches = your strike options blunted to large extent.

You should rather be concerned about a probable scenario; USN will decide to strike at Iranian naval assets, coastal radar systems, other radar systems, command & communications infrastructure, TELs of ballistic missiles, airports, jet fighters, military bases, and various centers of powers across Iran with massive volleys of VLO class cruise missiles, drones and cutting-edge jet fighters - crippling blows which will leave many Iranian strike platforms and options in the dust. They will not be waiting for your ASBM to get to them and play 'catch me if you can' with your forces. They will rather play 'defense through offense' game with your forces. Open your eyes sonny.

What I have disclosed to you, is for your general knowledge. What USN and USAF can/will do - is what you need to worry about instead.

@Hack-Hook


You expect experimental stuff to deliever results in heated combat situations? You are not being wise.

Western defense applications work as advertised on average. Any doubts?

Whatever ,those fantastic equipment of you seems have problem detecting fishing ships and bulk carriers . I wonder if they are only specialized in detecting iran equipment?

The best way to move forward is to send positive message to Americans otherwise there is no way Iran can win military confrontation against america.they have latest technology.they don't even need to come closer to Irani vessels.they have stand off weapons.i think iran is all alone.damage would be too high if nobody buy Irani oil. to sell oil,Iran must make a positive gesture.sometimes you need planning for better future specially when you are dealing enemy like america.

We made enough positive gesture but USA showed its greedy face instead.

 

[LeGenD]

this is how a heat seeking missile see a target:
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and this is how a IIR missile see it's target:
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in the first case a flare can seduce the missile but in second one it depends on targeting algoritm.

Thank you for this valuable share.

NOW:-

"The domain of U.S. Navy electronic warfare is a shadowy one, and even conceptual publication of details surrounding these systems and the hardware they are based on is somewhat limited." - Tyler Rogoway

Some pointers for public consumption:

- but nobody privy to the capabilities of these systems will provide classified information to strangers.

Hardkill approaches are relatively better known, and also active at present: https://whitefleet.net/2016/08/05/sm-2-sm-3-sm-6-and-essm-a-guide-to-us-naval-air-defense-missiles/

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Now let us examine Iranian Khalij Fars ASBM related test and critic it.

Problem # 1: Target vessel was stationary but a USN war-fighting vessel will be in motion (SOP), and can also be expected to perform evasive maneuvers when threatened. USN war-fighting vessel is not a defenseless vehicle either; see above and consider problem # 2.

Problem # 2: Target vessel was not representative of the war-fighting capabilities of any notable USN war-fighting vessel; not possible for Iran to develop a clone of Arleigh Burke class destroyer and simulate its technologies for example - not even Russia and China can do this for you.

Problem # 3: In order to subject any USN vessel to an ASBM-based strike, its position must be known and movements must be tracked in real-time. Iranian coastal radar systems are necessary for this end but USN will take these out in case of war.

You cannot be shooting ASBM into the sea blindly - can you?

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BACK to US:-

Q: Do you think that American corporations cannot develop an ASBM and employ it as a target vehicle to pit against American missile defense applications during the course of trials?

Here are some examples: https://space.skyrocket.de/doc_lau/sr19_sr19.htm

Not difficult to convert one of those ballistic missiles into an ASBM of Iranian caliber, Chinese caliber, or even Russian caliber, if need be, or even develop one from scratch. American expertise in 'rocket science' was never in doubt to begin with.

For example: http://www.chinatopix.com/articles/...ssful-test-missile-destroy-china-s-df-21d.htm

A country's R&D base and capabilities are to be taken into consideration when evaluating its testing regimes. Since American R&D base and associated investments outstrip all other, you can expect US to pull off incredibly realistic testing regimes for its defense-related applications. This reality escape the minds of many unfortunately.

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Connect the aforementioned dots, and you might see the bigger picture.

My take is that Iran have pulled off a convincing PSYOP for public consumption. In this manner, Iranian public is kept assured, and potential enemies also have something to work with.

no you should open your eyes, you think based on what they are developing systems for f-35 to detect ballistic missiles?? it shows that they feel insecure about our missiles and shows that they did not had a capability to counter it, it shows that for the first time in the world it's the US that changes its tactics to fit the adversary parties capabilities.
and in the end, in sake of inlighting you: to blind a IIR missile you use laser not flare.

See above.

F-35 variants are likely to provide BMDS coverage in BOOST PHASE because they are particularly designed to penetrate a heavily defended airspace, get to TELs very fast and take them out - all in a short span of time.