As of today. Strait of Hormuz is closed for US

[925boy]

As I have pointed out numerous times before, a military operation to cripple Iranian military forces and infrastructure is feasible/attainable goal in short term.

...ON PAPER. And do you remember that US military planners have concluded via simulation that USN would take big losses in a naval war with Iran in the PG? ooohhh...please go find that paper on it.

However, what would be the excuse for this move? Closure of the Strait of Hormuz is a good one, but Iranian regime might not take the bait.

Whenever US military is: morale-ready, highly motivated, well funded and confident of winning, US govt doesnt need 1 real excuse to attack any country. CIA can prepare the "theater" for a conflict and US military can roll in after the stage is "ready".

Existing idea is to choke Iran with crippling sanctions and watch the show.

They've been doing that since 1979, and today Iran is still strong enough to give any attacker a bloody nose they dont want, still the regional boss that all other countries must team up against to have a chance to beat Iran. Iran is not North Korea(and North Korea has CHina to prevent it from collapse). As a matter of fact, im getting worried US will try a military solution soon, since the sanctions cant disable Iran, and time is passing, which means Iran is still growing in strength.

This is interesting read: https://en.radiofarda.com/a/iran-signals-readiness-for-negotiations-with-united-states/29906048.html

https://en.radiofarda.com/a/iran-signals-readiness-for-negotiations-with-united-states/29906048.html
Ok i'll take a look.

Crippling sanctions will surely lead somewhere. Let us see.

No they wont, because we now have CHina and Russia being strong and able (in different ways) to support any country in the world and neutralize US sanctions/actions. if u dont agree, then i know you dont want to accept the world HAS ALREADY CHANGED.

 

[LeGenD]

...ON PAPER. And do you remember that US military planners have concluded via simulation that USN would take big losses in a naval war with Iran in the PG? ooohhh...please go find that paper on it.

No longer ON PAPER but made possible with latest technologies - some of which I have alluded to in this thread. But people are in disbelief...

Millennium Falcon simulation was conducted in 2002 to identify shortcomings in USN at the time. All of those shortcomings have been addressed by now and then some.

Whenever US military is: morale-ready, highly motivated, well funded and confident of winning, US govt doesnt need 1 real excuse to attack any country. CIA can prepare the "theater" for a conflict and US military can roll in after the stage is "ready".

They are ready, but White House need an excuse from Iran.

They've been doing that since 1979, and today Iran is still strong enough to give any attacker a bloody nose they dont want, still the regional boss that all other countries must team up against to have a chance to beat Iran. Iran is not North Korea(and North Korea has CHina to prevent it from collapse). As a matter of fact, im getting worried US will try a military solution soon, since the sanctions cant disable Iran, and time is passing, which means Iran is still growing in strength.

Thanks in part to EU, US accomodated Iran in some ways throughout the years. Obama administration in particular struck a deal with Iran which allowed Iran to fix its socio-economic situation in exchange for compromises in Iranian nuclear program.

Trump administration might undo all that.

No they wont, because we now have CHina and Russia being strong and able (in different ways) to support any country in the world and neutralize US sanctions/actions. if u dont agree, then i know you dont want to accept the world HAS ALREADY CHANGED.

Sure, but these two countries cannot confront US at every turn and/or over every matter where they have potential disagreements with US. US also have cards against them and/or can exert pressure on them from other angles. US have already subjected both to formidable set of sanctions.

 

[Hamza913]

If you are saying that many here are overestimating NATO/US willpower and realistic ability to confront Iran militarily OR that any attack on Iran will be difficult, i agree.

I wouldn't say people are overestimating NATO, rather, I would say that they're underestimating or simply glossing over Iran's capability to bite back.

 

[925boy]

I wouldn't say people are overestimating NATO, rather, I would say that they're underestimating or simply glossing over Iran's capability to bite back.

You're correct. Historical wars tell us that the US is going to get bogged down in the its next war. Afterall, its only HARD NUTS left to crack- North Korea, Iran, CHina, Russia. US couldnt even remove Assad. im done.

 

[nahtanbob]

It doesnt seem that way, which is what makes it very interesting. I believe for Iran(at least) there is an overlap of international waterways and territorial waters.

Now back to reality- Iran has the geographical advantage over the persian gulf. US military knows that too.

To keep Strait of hormuz "free", US/GCC will have to do strikes deep in Iran to prevent anti-ship missile launches. Doing deep strikes in Iran requires full commitment to that thorough/full/serious military plan, but US+ GCC are not motivated enough as things are to get prepared for a full military option on Iran, so in reality US+ GCC are more likely bluffing about closing strait of hormuz. Just watch- the moment Iran attempts to close it US will muster all its bich azz allies from all over the world to come to the strait and support "freedom of navigation" in the strait. FOH.

USA can destroy Iran's ability to export oil. Every day Iran cannot earn money from selling oil drains their ability to fight

 

[LeGenD]

You're correct. Historical wars tell us that the US is going to get bogged down in the its next war. Afterall, its only HARD NUTS left to crack- North Korea, Iran, CHina, Russia. US couldnt even remove Assad. im done.

A war can be a very lengthy affair depending upon the objectives set. Just look at Cold War which lasted 40+ years, but outcome matters.

Assad regime is nothing - toppling it was easy given the scale of rebellion against it in 2013 but ISIS reared its ugly head and created complications for US in this game. US had no choice but to go after ISIS and secure its investments in Iraq. Russia also convinced Obama administration to spare Assad regime for the sake of regional stability. Assad regime is not a threat to Israel either.

 

[925boy]

USA can destroy Iran's ability to export oil. Every day Iran cannot earn money from selling oil drains their ability to fight

Keyword being "can", so thats about potential, not reality/facts. But the reality and history actually shows the opposite- US is unable to contain Iran effectively since 1979.

 

[LeGenD]

Keyword being "can", so thats about potential, not reality/facts. But the reality and history actually shows the opposite- US is unable to contain Iran effectively since 1979.

US was busy with Iraq (1990 - 2011) and ISIS (2013 - 2018).

Situation is different now and Iran needs to watch its back. Every political agenda have a time and place.

 

[Mithridates]

the reason US retired f-14 was it's expensive operational cost

UAE has a large margin of air-superiority over Iran

15 miles is the detection range for F35A

my narrow minded big mouth friend PGCC may have air supperiority over us but UAE on hs own is a simple bite for us. also i'm sure you heard some thing with f-35 and 15 miles in a sentence and you think f-35 is invisible until it's in your 15 miles range, to inlight you, the detection range is subjective to RCS and randar range, i was wondering is there any one to believe the israeli f-35 story that flew over iran undetected, no offense for the arabs in whole but some of you guys are really shithead, it seems like it was a popular newspaper in kuwait though.

This is one of the reasons the US called UAE the ''Little Sparta'' They have considerable edge on Iran in the Hormuz straits.

they use to say similar things to georgia to eager them to attack russia, oh man i never imagined to say something like this but i wish a conflict breaks between us and PGCC, that would be funny to see people reaction in PDF.
just a question, can you tell me whats the difference between this missiles:

these are just some of our cards that we can play. you feeling powerful is not based on realities, it's based on delusion. i give you a hint, the last missile is so fast that patriot 2 and 3 cant catch it. i hope it give you a vision.

What that make different it is about level of technology and carrying modern weapons

our f-14 carry missiles with AESA radar with HOJ capability and short range IIR missiles with +/- 50 bore sight.

F-14 is very good aircraft but problem is lack of support from US in keeping Iranian fleet up-to-date. If Iran and US were friends...

UAE have up-to-date jets so there's that.

we upgraded our f-14s

Also, no, not possible to unmask F-35 at 65 KM range via jet-based radar systems at present. F-35 block 3f - current version - have uniform rcs of 38 mm only - Russian S-400 system which have a powerful radar system can notice F-35 block 3f at around 21 miles mark, and Russian Su-35S at even less.

educate yourself:

 

[Titanium100]

the reason US retired f-14 was it's expensive operational cost


my narrow minded big mouth friend PGCC may have air supperiority over us but UAE on hs own is a simple bite for us. also i'm sure you heard some thing with f-35 and 15 miles in a sentence and you think f-35 is invisible until it's in your 15 miles range, to inlight you, the detection range is subjective to RCS and randar range, i was wondering is there any one to believe the israeli f-35 story that flew over iran undetected, no offense for the arabs in whole but some of you guys are really shithead, it seems like it was a popular newspaper in kuwait though.

they use to say similar things to georgia to eager them to attack russia, oh man i never imagined to say something like this but i wish a conflict breaks between us and PGCC, that would be funny to see people reaction in PDF.
just a question, can you tell me whats the difference between this missiles:


these are just some of our cards that we can play. you feeling powerful is not based on realities, it's based on delusion. i give you a hint, the last missile is so fast that patriot 2 and 3 cant catch it. i hope it give you a vision.

You wanna rubbish militarily facts. Your army is overrated. UAE single handidly can demolish Iran. In all honesty they could kill couple of millions within the first hours of potential war if they target human population centers.

Saying UAE is Georgia just shows you how far you are from reality. You will get bloodied within first few hours. They are heavily armed and way more than you. Numbers are nothing but mare formality.

Running into UAE would be doomsday level war for Iran and could lose more than half of it's population. The geo-locations and human populations might give the indictions of Iran having advantage but that is not the case militarily. UAE can completely level big cities before Iran even respond. They have state of the art anti-missile systems like THAAD and others.

They have more toys than you and there is no discussion in that.

The only war Iran can have with UAE currently is defensive war where they lose alot of manpower and civilians due to the continued air-strikes. Containing the UAE soldiers to not enter on Land will be their only option. Which I believe Iran can acheive but at a great cost. They will manage to defend their territory but take great losses and have to re-build again due to alot of infrastructure damage and could also lead to economy collapse

 

[LeGenD]

we upgraded our f-14s

With Russian tech?

educate yourself:
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Pointless! Information about F-35 in my earlier post is from a very credible source. Heed it.

 

[Mithridates]

Lmao. You wanna rubbish militarily facts. Your army is overrated. UAE single handidly can demolish Iran. In all honesty they could kill couple of millions within the first hours of potential war if they target human population centers.

Saying UAE is Georgia just shows you how far you are from reality. You will get bloodied and demolished by Little sparta. They are heavily armed and way more than you. Numbers are nothing but mare formality.

Running into UAE would be doomsday level war for Iran and could lose more than half of it's population. The geo-locations and human populations might give the indictions of Iran having advantage but that is not the case militarily. UAE can completely level big cities before Iran even respond. They have state of the art anti-missile systems like THAAD and others.

They have more toys than you and there is no discussion in that.

The only war Iran can have with UAE currently is defensive war where they lose alot of manpower and civilians due to the continued air-strikes. Containing the UAE soldiers to not enter on Land will be their only option. Which I believe Iran can acheive but at a great cost. They will manage to defend their territory but take great losses and have to re-build again due to alot of infrastructure damage and could also lead to economy collapse

OK

With Russian tech?

did i said which part of it??

Pointless! Information about F-35 in my earlier post is from a very credible source. Heed it.

you said f-35 RCS is 0.038 didn't you?? it's a simple equation put the numbers in it and get the answer.

 

[LeGenD]

you said f-35 RCS is 0.038 didn't you?? it's a simple equation put the numbers in it and get the answer.

Sorry it is 3.8 mm = 0.0003 - 0.0004

38 mm was an error; I have fixed it.

 

[Mithridates]

Sorry it is 3.8 mm = 0.00038

yeah ok it makes a lot of difference, the detection range is 61 km. my brother f-35 is not invisible they managed to decrease the RCS and actually it is amazing if you look it this way: f-14 can detect a 5 sqm target from 370 km and they managed to keep f-35 hidden for 309 kms, this is amazing but please don't make a fairy tale out of it.

 

[LeGenD]

yeah ok it makes a lot of difference, the detection range is 61 km. my brother f-35 is not invisible they managed to decrease the RCS and actually it is amazing if you look it this way: f-14 can detect a 5 sqm target from 370 km and they managed to keep f-35 hidden for 309 kms, this is amazing but please don't make a fairy tale out of it.

Not possible.

An up-to-date AWACS-AEW [might] notice an F-35 at around 60 KM mark but F-35 block 3f (current version) have RCS in the range of F-22A Raptor so more like at around 40 KM mark - assuming ideal conditions.

AWACS-AEW feature a massive radar system with many T/R modules on average; radar systems of jet fighters do not compare in size and resultant power.