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Army won’t act against Haqqani network, says Samiul Haq

Come on, you are smarter than this :) I am referring to your minions aka Talis.

Okay.

How exactly do local people in Afghanistan, see the inability of ISAF and Afghan Govt to secure land against the invading Taliban groups? Is the prevalent opinion that "they operate from the other side of the border" and "cross as soon as the operation is launched against them"? Why can't the trillion dollar war machine take care of them, even if for the sake of argument, Pakistan is supporting them?
 
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Okay.

How exactly do local people in Afghanistan, see the inability of ISAF and Afghan Govt to secure land against the invading Taliban groups? Is the prevalent opinion that "they operate from the other side of the border" and "cross as soon as the operation is launched against them"? Why can't the trillion dollar war machine take care of them, even if for the sake of argument, Pakistan is supporting them?

Local people consider Talis as lackeys of Pakistan and their hatred for Pakistan is amplified by this fact.
ANSF is securing the lands that carry strategic weight as we speak, no doubt Talis control some districts and villages with zero significance and do they have any bearing on overall security calculous, NO!

The Afghan Taliban is in control of much of Afghanistan.
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Local people consider Talis as lackeys of Pakistan and their hatred for Pakistan is amplified by this fact.
ANSF is securing the lands that carry strategic weight as we speak, no doubt Talis control some districts and villages with zero significance and do they have any bearing on overall security calculous, NO!


:)

Right back at ya ;)
 
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If you stop trolling for once, then you are worthy of a reply but I will make an exception this one time.

The bolded part is beside the point, there is no use of blocking the border when the entire command and control of the Talis is right in Pindi. Do you really believe that a bunch of hillbillies like the Talis can fight a sophisticated conflict without with being run by a professional institution aka GHQ? ( the world is not stupid)


If a sophisticated conflict could so effectively by run by a "professional institution aka GHQ" as you state then that formula would have worked in other regions for example in Kashmir. But it didn't. Or it would have worked for other sponsors around the world such as the American covert actions against Iran. Or by other powers in other regions. Never has support from an external entity been successful in an insurgency in another region without local support.

Case in point India's full efforts in Balochistan have failed miserably because there is no local support for it.

So please don't use the pakistan scapegoat as an excuse to deny some fundamental faults in the Afghan nation ... your are giving the Pak GHQ way too much credit in achieving something no other military has every achieved in the entire history.. Kind of stupid to do so.
 
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Local people consider Talis as lackeys of Pakistan and their hatred for Pakistan is amplified by this fact.

The Taliban think the same of the A"NA". Guess the feeling is mutual.

I'd like to ask you how a truck full of explosives was able to drive around Kabul pass dozens of checkpoints? Are the Soldiers and Police on the payroll of the ISI?
 
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The Taliban think the same of the A"NA". Guess the feeling is mutual.

I'd like to ask you how a truck full of explosives was able to drive around Kabul pass dozens of checkpoints? Are the Soldiers and Police on the payroll of the ISI?

lol I like the way you constructed A"NA" ( full marks for creativity) ;)

Quick question, how does it work for you (Being an american and implicitly siding with the Talis at least from you posts) The hypocrisy in this is strong, NO?
 
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Quick question, how does it work for you (Being an american and implicitly siding with the Talis at least from you posts) The hypocrisy in this is strong, NO?

Accusing someone of siding with the Taliban is fighting words bro.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news...y-keeps-losing-ground/?utm_term=.70c837b704ba

You don't gain 40% of a country's territory without support from the local population. I'm not a 5 star general or even a LT. Col. but why's the Taliban control northern and western parts of the country away from the Pakistan border?

afghanistanmap.jpg


Combined with the fact that Pakistan has 7x the number of border posts than Afghanistan & ISAF combined. Which the Afghan Security Forces claim is on their land, a border they don't even recognize?

And when 50% of Taliban revenues come from a single commodity named heroin who's harvest has steadily been rising....

https://warisboring.com/how-a-pink-flower-defeated-the-worlds-sole-superpower/
 
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Local people consider Talis as lackeys of Pakistan and their hatred for Pakistan is amplified by this fact.
ANSF is securing the lands that carry strategic weight as we speak, no doubt Talis control some districts and villages with zero significance and do they have any bearing on overall security calculous, NO!

The Taliban have long-range plans, too. While their attempts to actually hold seized provincial capitals have failed — often because of intensive intervention by American air power, aided by Special Operations troops — many provincial centers remain little more than islands, surrounded by hostile countryside. Taliban fighters can create roadblocks and ambushes in almost any part of the country, disrupting commerce and exacting an ever-growing human toll. Most of the 3,000 civilians killed annually are victims of the insurgents. And with Taliban control of most of Helmand Province, where 80 percent of Afghanistan’s opium is produced, Taliban coffers are full, both from taxing the drug and trafficking in it.

More likely, victory will resemble Afghanistan now: “a stalemate where the equilibrium favors the government,” in General Nicholson’s words to Congress in February. That assumes that the Afghan government of President Ashraf Ghani can survive, an assumption sorely tested this year. Troubled with political divisions, and sometimes deadly infighting among pro-government warlords, Mr. Ghani’s government has faced debilitating street protests from citizens angry about terrorist attacks and insecurity.

What an Afghanistan Victory Looks Like Under the Trump Plan

See, we aren't willing to take blame for your failures, so you should stop trying. It isn't our fault if your Govt is corrupt and incompetent, and if ANA is more interested in peddling drugs, selling their weapons, abusing kids, killing innocents and fighting-under-the influence. Of course, they are not effective! Your problems are deeply internal, your population is highly supportive of the Taliban and ISIS, which is why the 100K strong military coalition couldn't do jack with all the king's men and all the king's horses. They don't simply and conveniently hop the border every-time the Afghans and the International forces have them on the run. Because, there's nothing on the other side of the border anymore, all the terrorists controlled areas have been retaken and army is deployed on the border. The reason why International envoys can visit Waziristan, FATA but can't go to Helmund province. If the terrorists are crossing from the Pakistani side of the Durand line regularly, what is stopping ISAF or Afghan Govt to target them via aircraft or drones?

It isn't because of the reason that somehow Pakistani military and/or ISI are running and supporting Taliban or other groups from the General Headquarter, Rawalpindi so effectively that it has deceived the world and caused the total failure of the trillion dollar war machine. General Petraeus, former ISAF commander and Director CIA himself admitted that there's no evidence which could prove that Pakistan is playing a double-game and supporting terrorists groups in Afghanistan. Stop deluding yourself with nonsensical conspiracy theories, put your house in order and then try to point fingers at others.
 
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of course they can

they have done it for years, and big chuncks of Afghanistan public support them, they occupy entire regions of Afghanistan and are funded through the drugs trade

Your failure as a state is your own problem, Pakistan cant waste its time and resources trying to help a near worthless Afghanistan fix itself

Remove the remaining few million Afghans off our soil, seal the border, make it very very tough to go into or out of Afghanistan thats the best plan


if your accusing our country of cross border infiltration then how about creating more Afghan border posts and patrols

Afghanistan is a mess, the Americans are tired and Pakistan refuses to be a scapegoat for the shithole that is Afghanistan
Spot on...
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its high time that Afghanistan stops pointing fingers and get its act together. No one can/will solve ur problems for u. Russia couldn't, US couldn't and neither would Pakistan. Pakistan suffered the last decade with its own insurgency problem(TTP) and the Pakistani ppl/military/government buckled down and got a handle on it.

At the end of the day u must look at who the Afghan Taliban r...yes they r Afghan. Even if Pak is sponsoring them it doesn't matter...the ppl u consider to be the menace are ur ppl.

If TTP was being sponsored by India, Pak would share just as much of the blame bcuz it would be Pakistanis(TTP members) who would be doing India's bidding against their country. What Pak would do is seal the border where the TTP members were coming in from after training, launch a military operation, end their financing sources, etc...and that's exactly what Pak did...why can't u?

Last I remember it was Pak that was trying to seal the border with Afghanistan and Afghanistan was protesting. Why not work with us and seal the border?...that would surely stop the terrorists from flowing easily back and forth. Stop the drug trade...stop ur farmers from growing opium. Get ur military and the western forces(while u have them) to wipe out the Taliban or negotiate with them. This is the actual solution. Pointing fingers wont do u much good.
 
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In case you didn't notice, the Talis have not been in the business of sending roses to Afghanistan in the last couple of years. As Ghani puts it, it's undeclared state of hostilities between AF-Pak.
And no one from Afghanistan is sending Pakistan roses too also. Anyway, lets see what change trump brings in...
 
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If you stop trolling for once, then you are worthy of a reply but I will make an exception this one time.

The bolded part is beside the point, there is no use of blocking the border when the entire command and control of the Talis is right in Pindi. Do you really believe that a bunch of hillbillies like the Talis can fight a sophisticated conflict without with being run by a professional institution aka GHQ? ( the world is not stupid)
Do not underestimate your enemy. Besides they have support from millions of families, Afghan families in Afghanistan. Perhaps you should convince those families to stop supporting them, as that would most effective.

Accusing someone of siding with the Taliban is fighting words bro.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news...y-keeps-losing-ground/?utm_term=.70c837b704ba

You don't gain 40% of a country's territory without support from the local population. I'm not a 5 star general or even a LT. Col. but why's the Taliban control northern and western parts of the country away from the Pakistan border?

afghanistanmap.jpg


Combined with the fact that Pakistan has 7x the number of border posts than Afghanistan & ISAF combined. Which the Afghan Security Forces claim is on their land, a border they don't even recognize?

And when 50% of Taliban revenues come from a single commodity named heroin who's harvest has steadily been rising....

https://warisboring.com/how-a-pink-flower-defeated-the-worlds-sole-superpower/
It seems that some in Afghanistan cannot actually accept that many Afghans actually support the Afghan Taliban in their fight against those who INVADED Afghanistan. To most people it would seem natural that there would a native resistance to INVASION...? But some people...?
 
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Compared to Afghan Army, Haqqanis are not hostile towards Pakistan or Pakistanis, so what initiative do we have to attack them? None.
 
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The Taliban have long-range plans, too. While their attempts to actually hold seized provincial capitals have failed — often because of intensive intervention by American air power, aided by Special Operations troops — many provincial centers remain little more than islands, surrounded by hostile countryside. Taliban fighters can create roadblocks and ambushes in almost any part of the country, disrupting commerce and exacting an ever-growing human toll. Most of the 3,000 civilians killed annually are victims of the insurgents. And with Taliban control of most of Helmand Province, where 80 percent of Afghanistan’s opium is produced, Taliban coffers are full, both from taxing the drug and trafficking in it.

More likely, victory will resemble Afghanistan now: “a stalemate where the equilibrium favors the government,” in General Nicholson’s words to Congress in February. That assumes that the Afghan government of President Ashraf Ghani can survive, an assumption sorely tested this year. Troubled with political divisions, and sometimes deadly infighting among pro-government warlords, Mr. Ghani’s government has faced debilitating street protests from citizens angry about terrorist attacks and insecurity.

What an Afghanistan Victory Looks Like Under the Trump Plan

See, we aren't willing to take blame for your failures, so you should stop trying. It isn't our fault if your Govt is corrupt and incompetent, and if ANA is more interested in peddling drugs, selling their weapons, abusing kids, killing innocents and fighting-under-the influence. Of course, they are not effective! Your problems are deeply internal, your population is highly supportive of the Taliban and ISIS, which is why the 100K strong military coalition couldn't do jack with all the king's men and all the king's horses. They don't simply and conveniently hop the border every-time the Afghans and the International forces have them on the run. Because, there's nothing on the other side of the border anymore, all the terrorists controlled areas have been retaken and army is deployed on the border. The reason why International envoys can visit Waziristan, FATA but can't go to Helmund province. If the terrorists are crossing from the Pakistani side of the Durand line regularly, what is stopping ISAF or Afghan Govt to target them via aircraft or drones?

It isn't because of the reason that somehow Pakistani military and/or ISI are running and supporting Taliban or other groups from the General Headquarter, Rawalpindi so effectively that it has deceived the world and caused the total failure of the trillion dollar war machine. General Petraeus, former ISAF commander and Director CIA himself admitted that there's no evidence which could prove that Pakistan is playing a double-game and supporting terrorists groups in Afghanistan. Stop deluding yourself with nonsensical conspiracy theories, put your house in order and then try to point fingers at others.
Bravo! Well said!
 
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This Afghan is deluded. No need to engage him or be respectful to him. No one has ever claimed that the Taliban are run by GHQ. We do not provide them any monetary or material support and claiming that Taliban control in Afghanistan is of no significance is idiotic to say the least. None of arguments are supported by facts and no one in U.S. administration has ever claimed either of the two point he made to be true.
 
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