Army plan induction of BrahMos with 'surgical strike' option

[Saint N sinnerr]

NEW DELHI: Army is going in for a major induction of BrahMos Block-II land-attack cruise missiles (LACM), which have been designed as "precision strike weapons" capable of hitting small targets in cluttered urban environments.

Sources say the defence ministry will ``soon'' approach the Cabinet Committee on Security, chaired by Prime Minister Manmohan Singh, for the green signal to arm the Army with two regiments of the BrahMos Block-II land-attack cruise missiles (LACM).

Swift induction of BrahMos Block-II is necessary because Pakistan Army is inducting its nuclear-capable Babur LACM, developed with China's help to have a 500-km strike range, in large numbers. BrahMos-II can potentially be used for ``surgical strikes'' at terror training camps across the border without causing collateral damage.

One regiment of the 290-km range BrahMos-I variant, which consists of 67 missiles, five mobile autonomous launchers on 12x12 Tatra vehicles and two mobile command posts, among other equipment, is already operational in the Army. It had earlier ordered two BrahMos regiments in the first phase at a cost of Rs 8,352 crore.

The BrahMos Block-II variant has been developed to take out a specific small target, with a low radar cross-section, in a multi-target environment.

The air-breathing missile, which flies at speeds up to 2.8 Mach (almost three times the speed of sound), of course, does not come cheap. With `multi-spectral seekers' for `target-discriminating capabilities', each missile costs upwards of Rs 25 crore.

Incidentally, Indian Navy too has inducted BrahMos's naval variant on some warships, having earlier placed orders worth Rs 711 crore for 49 firing units.

While these missiles are fired from `inclined launchers', Navy is also gearing up to induct `vertical launchers'.

This is significant since `vertical launchers' are fitted under the warship's deck, protecting them from the atmospheric conditions and imparting some stealth to the weapon system. It also allows the missile to be fired in any direction.

Two such modules, with 16 missiles, are to fitted in each of the three Kolkata-class P-15A destroyers being built at Mazagon Docks at a cost of Rs 11,662 crore.

BrahMos will also arm the three more Talwar-class `stealth' frigates being built at Yantar shipyard in Kaliningrad (Russia) under a Rs 5,514-crore project.

But the work on submarine and air-launched versions of BrahMos is still going quite slow. While talks with Russia are now in the final stages for BrahMos' integration with Sukhoi-30MKI fighters, the missile will be tested for the first time from submersible pontoon launchers this year in preparation for their induction on submarines.

India and Russia have also begun preliminary work on a ``hypersonic'' BrahMos-2 missile capable of flying at a speed between 5 and 7 Mach, as reported earlier.

The armed forces' eventual plan, of course, is to have nuclear-tipped LACMs, with strike ranges over 1,500 km. Unlike ballistic missiles like Agni, cruise missiles do not leave the atmosphere and are powered and guided throughout their flight path.

Cruise missiles, which can evade enemy radars and air defence systems since they fly at low altitudes, are also much cheaper as well as more accurate and easier to operate than ballistic missiles.

 

[graphican]

I think India is miscalculating result of any such action. Musharaf had forcefully turned the fire of Jihad down in Pakistan and Jihadi sentiments against India is down ever since. If India did this mistake of attacking Pakistani cities, even if on presumed Jihadi Markazes, Paksitan will have every reason to support them and do anything they want against India. Its a mistake that Paksitan would receive surgical strike and world would be able to stop Pakistan from retaliation and when we will attack, it will be the WAR.

Holy Prophet Muhammad SAWW said, jihad will stay alive till the day of Judgement. So be it Americans dream of that of India, the resistance of Jihad against injustice will be there, even if you die fighting it. The only path towrads prosperity is let go Muslim Territory and be a nice neighbor like everybody around. Jihad is in the blood of Muslims found everywhere around the world and you cannot take it down by force. Just look at America who has to make reconciliation with Taliban and have broken its back fighting them, although it wasn't America alone but alliance of powers of the world. Does India think it is stronger than America and will be able to settle Jihad with those surgical strikes.

Don't go hunting what you cannot kill.

 

[MilesTogo]

Do you imply that there could be more 9/11's originating from Pakistan this time?

I think India is miscalculating result of any such action. Musharaf had forcefully turned the fire of Jihad down in Pakistan and Jihadi sentiments against India is down ever since. If India did this mistake of attacking Pakistani cities, even if on presumed Jihadi Markazes, Paksitan will have every reason to support them and do anything they want against India. Its a mistake that Paksitan would receive surgical strike and world would be able to stop Pakistan from retaliation and when we will attack, it will be the WAR.

Holy Prophet Muhammad SAWW said, jihad will stay alive till the day of Judgement. So be it Americans dream of that of India, the resistance of Jihad against in justice will be there, even if you die fighting it. It is in the blood of Muslims found everywhere on the world and you cannot take it down by force. Just look at America who has to make reconciliation with Taliban and have broken its back fighting them, although it wasn't America alone fighting against them. Do India think its bigger than America and will be able to settle Jihad with those surgical strikes.

 

[deckingraj]

I think India is miscalculating result of any such action. Musharaf had forcefully turned the fire of Jihad down in Pakistan and Jihadi sentiments against India is down ever since. If India did this mistake of attacking Pakistani cities, even if on presumed Jihadi Markazes, Paksitan will have every reason to support them and do anything they want against India. Its a mistake that Paksitan would receive surgical strike and world would be able to stop Pakistan from retaliation and when we will attack, it will be the WAR.

Holy Prophet Muhammad SAWW said, jihad will stay alive till the day of Judgement. So be it Americans dream of that of India, the resistance of Jihad against injustice will be there, even if you die fighting it. The only path towrads prosperity is let go Muslim Territory and be a nice neighbor like everybody around. Jihad is in the blood of Muslims found everywhere around the world and you cannot take it down by force. Just look at America who has to make reconciliation with Taliban and have broken its back fighting them, although it wasn't America alone but alliance of powers of the world. Does India think it is stronger than America and will be able to settle Jihad with those surgical strikes.

Don't go hunting what you cannot kill.

Though its more of an emotional outburst yet i do not have any problems with it.. You are entitled to have your views... As far as this development is concerned than attacking Terror Camps is one of the many roles that such missiles can perform. As far as Jihad and rest of the story is concerned than we don't need to do anything else...It is already targetted against us and we are well capable of keeping these pigs in check ..... Rest we have fought 3 and half wars so i am sure both the forces are very much aware of your phrase Don't go hunting what you cannot kill.

 

[navtrek]

I think India is miscalculating result of any such action. Musharaf had forcefully turned the fire of Jihad down in Pakistan and Jihadi sentiments against India is down ever since. If India did this mistake of attacking Pakistani cities, even if on presumed Jihadi Markazes, Paksitan will have every reason to support them and do anything they want against India. Its a mistake that Paksitan would receive surgical strike and world would be able to stop Pakistan from retaliation and when we will attack, it will be the WAR.

Holy Prophet Muhammad SAWW said, jihad will stay alive till the day of Judgement. So be it Americans dream of that of India, the resistance of Jihad against injustice will be there, even if you die fighting it. The only path towrads prosperity is let go Muslim Territory and be a nice neighbor like everybody around. Jihad is in the blood of Muslims found everywhere around the world and you cannot take it down by force. Just look at America who has to make reconciliation with Taliban and have broken its back fighting them, although it wasn't America alone but alliance of powers of the world. Does India think it is stronger than America and will be able to settle Jihad with those surgical strikes.

Don't go hunting what you cannot kill.

nice one but dosent hold good the concept of Jihad is being misused but anyways Pakistan is already getting punishment for misusing it.

 

[Awesome]

Can I get that surgical strike option with my car?

What the heck is surgical strike option? I thought all Cruise missiles are supposed to be like that. Of course we know that the Brahmos is no cruise missile its an anti-ship missile being sold off as a cruise missile.

It will probably never hit. In response however India will get a major barrage of Babur's heading its way, which cannot be picked up on radar.

 

[Kompromat]

Can I get that surgical strike option with my car?

What car do you drive asim bhai ? If you drive a TATA Nano then Surgical strike feature is coming default with its $2000 model.

But even if you drive a Lamborghini murcielago this " secret " Indian technology is not on offer.

What the heck is surgical strike option? I thought all Cruise missiles are supposed to be like that. Of course we know that the Brahmos is no cruise missile its an anti-ship missile being sold off as a cruise missile.

Asim bhai it is a " secret " technology introduced by DRDO which also has developed Next Generation " RAM " coating.

It will probably never hit. In response however India will get a major barrage of Babur's heading its way, which cannot be picked up on radar.

Well there is a huge chance that it will explode Inside India killing their own people.

Babur is no longer undetectable as DRDO has develop Anti Stealth Radar which can pick up .......bas main thak gaya but anyway

 

[DesiGuy]

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[Contrarian]

In your attempt to ridicule the post, you did not bother understanding the context or the equipment in question. I could in turn ridicule you, but i will limit my post to clearing your misconceptions.

What the heck is surgical strike option? I thought all Cruise missiles are supposed to be like that.

No, all CM's which have the CEP of a certain level are like that ie usable for Surgical Strikes. Cruise Missiles by simply supposed to remain in the atmosphere in their path towards their target.

If their CEP is large, then they cannot be used for Surgical Strikes OR and more importantly, even if their CEP is not large, but they are programmed for finding their own targets in a given area, then if their imaging algorithms are not good enough for target differentiation amongst a cluster of similar items/buildings/etc then they cannot be used for Surgical Strike.

In BrahMos's case, the earlier BrahMos, ie BrahMos block 1, did not have a target discriminating capability. However, BrahMos block 2 incorporates a new seeker and a new algorithm with which it can discriminate or identify a target amongst other such targets in an area, like pick a specific building amongst a cluster of similar buildings.

This ability is NOT present in the present batch of BrahMos which has already been inducted by IA. And thus the title of the threat ie Army plan induction of BrahMos with 'surgical strike' option.

Of course we know that the Brahmos is no cruise missile its an anti-ship missile being sold off as a cruise missile.

Allow me to clear your misconceptions again,
I think what matters is the design principle and operational philosophy of the missile in question and whether it destroys its intended target.

BrahMos is designed to give an extremely high punch to high value targets. It is designed to give the enemy an extremely low reaction time. It is also designed to have a very high effect on its target on account of its kinetic energy. It is also a Very expensive missile and thus is to be used on very high value targets like C&C centers, important communication nodes, etc in which breaking the defenses becomes extremely important.

It will probably never hit. In response however India will get a major barrage of Babur's heading its way, which cannot be picked up on radar.

Again, i have you question your ridiculous questions that do you think Pakistan has a greater production capacity than India? Or do you think India would not be mass producing the missiles?

Secondly, that Babur cannot be picked up on radar? Babur has a low rcs, i was not aware of Pakistan having created a missile which was 'invisible' to the radar. I am assuming that here you know the difference between having a low rcs and being invisible to radar.

Lastly, BrahMos and Babur serve two different kinds of needs. A cheap, subsonic missile is also needed by IA which is being developed. It is called Nirbhay.

BrahMos by virtue of its cost cannot be solely used. Therefore Nirbhay is being developed which would complement BrahMos with huge numbers.

 

[karan.1970]

Can I get that surgical strike option with my car?

What the heck is surgical strike option? I thought all Cruise missiles are supposed to be like that. Of course we know that the Brahmos is no cruise missile its an anti-ship missile being sold off as a cruise missile.

It will probably never hit. In response however India will get a major barrage of Babur's heading its way, which cannot be picked up on radar.

C'mon Asim

This mine is bigger than yours post is not worthy of you..Brahmos will miss, Babur will not... Well we wont know till this actually happens and at that time neither of us will be calm enough to come to this forum and post the results.. Will we??
All of us will do so much better without reacting to stupid media (both India and Paksitan) reports that can do the magic math of putting 2 and 2 together to make 55

 

[paritosh]

Can I get that surgical strike option with my car?

What the heck is surgical strike option? I thought all Cruise missiles are supposed to be like that. Of course we know that the Brahmos is no cruise missile its an anti-ship missile being sold off as a cruise missile.

It will probably never hit. In response however India will get a major barrage of Babur's heading its way, which cannot be picked up on radar.

dude...your knowledge of how cruise missiles work is not very good...
a cruise missile is made to evade radar detection...as it flies in a low trajectory...almost in a ground-hugging one.
just as armed helos are used for enemy SEAD as they fly low and evade the detection umbrella....
so a missile is a cruise missile if it follows the flight profile of a cruise missile.
Now the way you people discredit the capabilities of the Brahmos is fascinating...to say the least...
a cruise missile needs more capable SARs and more powerful processors for mapping the ground below as they maintain their flight path...being very low.
a supersonic cruise missile is very difficult to fabricate as it needs very very fast processors and a very good synthetic aperture radar...

 

[faithfulguy]

dude...your knowledge of how cruise missiles work is not very good...
a cruise missile is made to evade radar detection...as it flies in a low trajectory...almost in a ground-hugging one.
just as armed helos are used for enemy SEAD as they fly low and evade the detection umbrella....
so a missile is a cruise missile if it follows the flight profile of a cruise missile.
Now the way you people discredit the capabilities of the Brahmos is fascinating...to say the least...
a cruise missile needs more capable SARs and more powerful processors for mapping the ground below as they maintain their flight path...being very low.
a supersonic cruise missile is very difficult to fabricate as it needs very very fast processors and a very good synthetic aperture radar...

Yes, but it need to be able to find the target. Nowadays, a cruise missile can be detected as look down-shoot down radars are common. The strength of the missile is the speed. But if its fast but not accurate, its useless unless its nuclear tipped.

 

[gogbot]

Yes, but it need to be able to find the target. Nowadays, a cruise missile can be detected as look down-shoot down radars are common. The strength of the missile is the speed. But if its fast but not accurate, its useless unless its nuclear tipped.

Why have any conventional weapons at then. If everything is useless unless its nuclear tipped. There is a lot of waste all over the world

 

[graphican]

Do you imply that there could be more 9/11's originating from Pakistan this time?

No I just tried to explain what in the circle of possibilities and what awaits India in case. 9/11 is in no way a comparison to what Mighty USA faced in Afghanistan. 9/11 was just one incident but USA faced 10s of 9/11 every day in Iraq and Afghanistan. No one can overcome spirit of Jihad, no matter what ever you try and how much you do and I am not saying because I presume we are brave, but because it has been told by Prophet Muhammad that against Injustice and enmity against Muslims, Jihad will stay alive till the day of Judgement. So India wont be able to kill it even if it makes one trillion attempts. Learn from Iraq, Afghanistan Palestine.

The only way to stop is with Justice which neither USA offered to Taliban nor India has to the Kashmirs. So similar fate awaits in case India tries to attack a single house in Pakistan.

 

[Free Tibet]

No I just tried to explain what in the circle of possibilities and what awaits India in case. 9/11 is in no way a comparison to what Mighty USA faced in Afghanistan. 9/11 was just one incident but USA faced 10s of 9/11 every day in Iraq and Afghanistan. No one can overcome spirit of Jihad, no matter what ever you try and how much you do and I am not saying because I presume we are brave, but because it has been told by Prophet Muhammad that against Injustice and enmity against Muslims, Jihad will stay alive till the day of Judgement. So India wont be able to kill it even if it makes one trillion attempts. Learn from Iraq, Afghanistan Palestine.

The only way to stop is with Justice which neither USA offered to Taliban nor India has to the Kashmirs. So similar fate awaits in case India tries to attack a single house in Pakistan.

So my dear friend why are you not waging a Jihad against China?

Which is killing thousands of Muslims.

Oh...I get it your hypocrisy and double standard.