Army mulls legal action over BBC report

[Irfan Baloch]

Why would it ever be fixed as long as Pakistanis think that warring with India, or Israel, or the U.S. is more important than mending basic issues of humanity and justice at home?

I know you guys are always looking for excuses not to act, not to change course, not to do anything risky. The Army might be brave but without strong civilian leadership it can't change course decisively. Yet the civilian leadership (and, Zardari tells us [Wikileaks], some of the soldiers too) won't do anything because they are afraid of getting murdered by fanatics.

So what solution have you guys thought of? (To me, of course, it's obvious - but I want to see what you guys have learned.)

do share please

 

[Solomon2]

do share please

No. It's a test.

 

[livingdead]

It is difficult to imagine that Americans did not know about the double cross( as narrated in the documentary). They chose to go after AQ and leave taliban for a later day. That day seems to have arrived.

 

[Abu Zolfiqar]

Why would it ever be fixed as long as Pakistanis think that warring with India, or Israel, or the U.S. is more important than mending basic issues of humanity and justice at home?

the US does the same thing -- with Iran, Syria, North Korea and other countries (which never even attacked US)

thousands march @ Wall Street, and meanwhile the US spends tax-payers money to maintain military presence as far away as Okinawa

 

[Abu Zolfiqar]

Double Games

BY SIDDIQUE HUMAYUN ON OCTOBER 31ST, 2011


So, Pakistan was recently accused of playing a “double game” yet again. This time in a documentary aired on BBC. It is unacceptable and unimaginable for the West, America, and many groups in Pakistan itself for the country to have a single contact with a party that was once a legitimate government in Afghanistan (yes, international recognition by three countries makes it legit).

But in our predictable attitude to bandwagon, we forget to see the other side of the picture. Like we forgot to see the other side of the picture in Qadhafi’s case, where Nato and the rebels have without doubt done more harm than good.

I will go back to Charlie Wilson’s war, even the most pro-Western lobbies in Pakistan believe that, we as an ally, were not only betrayed, but perhaps backstabbed with sanctions upon sanctions. American objectives were met and it withdrew seven seas apart leaving us to deal with the mess on our doorstep. Over two decades later, Hilary Clinton formally accepted that the “people we are fighting today, we funded 20 years ago”. And yet, it is Pakistan that has been playing a double game?

It has become a fashion among pseudo intellectuals to blame everything on Pakistan, ISI, or if nothing else, religion. Which intelligence agency does not maintain contacts, one way or the other, with the enemy? After all, it is negotiations that can end such a conflict, not indiscriminate carpet bombings. Even if Pakistan’s intelligence has connections in whatever network in or outside Afghanistan, at least, we do not send Raymond Davis to spy on an ally, so much for playing a double game.

More recently, while blaming Pakistan of having contact with the Haqqanis, Hilary Clinton publicly stated that Washington is ready to have Mullah Omar in the negotiations to end this conflict. Such colluding with the enemy while telling Pakistan to “do more” is not what a country wants that already fumes with anti-American sentiments and has been bled dry participating in a war that has been imposed on it.

Perhaps America did try its best to split the “Quetta Shura” that is supposedly led by Mullah Omar and isolate the leader of the Taliban, but the point is it failed. It not only failed but now it wants to negotiate with them. Where would such history repeating itself leave Pakistan?

Let us assume for the sake of discussion that Pakistan is that faithful ally that despite losing tens of thousands of its civilians and soldiers along with billions of dollars of loss to its economy is going to do even more. It is going to serve American interests in the region to whatever degree the world wants, it will not keep any contact with any group in Afghanistan and then, one day, American negotiations with the Taliban reach a settlement, America leaves the region, and Taliban come to power, then what? It does not take a genius to figure out what our position would be in such a scenario.

So let us all stop blaming Pakistan for the sheer amount of sacrifice the country and its people have given over the course of the last decade. Let us stop insulting those brave soldiers that fight these militants and let us stop wounding the martyrs of this war on terror by suggesting that Pakistan is not serious in eliminating this threat.

The least we deserve is recognition and respect. Perhaps, it is time that American institutions realise that in order to effectively put an end to this bloody war, it cannot act unilaterally on one hand by reaching out to the Taliban, and blaming Pakistan of double game for doing the same. A stable Afghanistan is more in the interest of Pakistan than it is for America.






The author is a policy analyst and a social worker from Islamabad who believes that the glass is half full. He can be reached at siddique.humayun@gmail.com and on Facebook.

 

[Musafar]

lol@taking legal action.

the minute the UK threatens to withdraw any funding it will be "OK sir, no worry, everything fine!".

Typical. These idiots have got the country drunk on foreign money and now when things are tough, due to catastrophic military decisions, there's sadly no lube.

So yeah, Mr Abbass, grind your teeth and take it.

 

[Abu Zolfiqar]

lol@taking legal action.

the minute the UK threatens to withdraw any funding it will be "OK sir, no worry, everything fine!".

Typical. These idiots have got the country drunk on foreign money and now when things are tough, due to catastrophic military decisions, there's sadly no lube.

So yeah, Mr Abbass, grind your teeth and take it.

britisher aid to Pakistan is approx. 350m pounds and it goes entirely to the civilian sector (e.g. schools and institutional capacity building)......so it would have zero effect on the military.

DFID did provide loans to Pakistan during the floods....loans are paid back, they arent ''free''


so check your facts first before opening that beak of yours

 

[regular]

Source-Dawn Newspaper. 19 september 2009


ISLAMABAD/PESHAWAR: The arrested commanders of Tehrik-e-Taliban Pakistan have confessed that secret departments of India, including RAW, and Afghanistan have been providing them weapons and funds to fight against the Pakistan Army.

.—Online

This is 200% true cuz within our tribal areas there are people/TTP leaders who are openly admitting that they are getting hard cash and weapons from India to fight against the Pakistan Army and to kill civilians to spread terror within the region...

 

[Abu Zolfiqar]

indian sponsored terrorism in Pakistan is no new news, it's been going on for some time

then they cry and put on a crimson face when they get attacked by a few unruly kids with AKs.......mumbai-like terrorism treatment is often metted out to unarmed Kashmiri kids so it really is no different

 

[Irfan Baloch]

haha watch the second part of Secret Pakistan from BBC

hahaha

I burst out laughing when a supposed Taliban commander with a face covered claims that he was trained by the ISI in Pakistan

how did he knew?

(I waited to hear that they introduced themselves as ISI agents queitly in his ears... but no)

they would come in cars to the camp and they wore.. ISI UNIFORMS"

BY the way, the supposed Taliban commander didnt even look like a taliban let alone a commander. he has more of a tajik features rather than a Pashton. And he is not even speaking Pashto, I cant even make out a single word as his voice is buried under the dramatic soundtrack and English dubbing. For allwe know he might be a Tajik or a Hazara all too happy to say whatever they want him to say


these BBC reporters can fool an ill informed person but not someone who has lived and grownup with Pashton people.
the icing on the cake is done by adding the clips of Arm ullah Salay a known anti Pakistani Khaad agent and he himself says that it was the combination of circumstantial evidence that points the fingers at Pakistan. I think he should have blamed the ISI as well for his sacking the hands of Karzai. hehehe

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This is 200% true cuz within our tribal areas there are people/TTP leaders who are openly admitting that they are getting hard cash and weapons from India to fight against the Pakistan Army and to kill civilians to spread terror within the region...

lol but the "arrested" Taliban commander (read actor) has more authenticity because he says he was trained by the ISI who used to come in the camp in the tribal areas in the "ISI UNIFORMS" ...

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haha watch the second part of Secret Pakistan from BBC

hahaha

I burst out laughing when a supposed Taliban commander with a face covered claims that he was trained by the ISI in Pakistan

how did he knew?

(I waited to hear that they introduced themselves as ISI agents queitly in his ears... but no)

they would come in cars to the camp and they wore.. ISI UNIFORMS"

BY the way, the supposed Taliban commander didnt even look like a taliban let alone a commander. he has more of a tajik features rather than a Pashton. And he is not even speaking Pashto, I cant even make out a single word as his voice is buried under the dramatic soundtrack and English dubbing. For allwe know he might be a Tajik or a Hazara all too happy to say whatever they want him to say


these BBC reporters can fool an ill informed person but not someone who has lived and grownup with Pashton people.
the icing on the cake is done by adding the clips of Arm ullah Salay a known anti Pakistani Khaad agent and he himself says that it was the combination of circumstantial evidence that points the fingers at Pakistan. I think he should have blamed the ISI as well for his sacking the hands of Karzai. hehehe

can someoen pelase post the pictures of ISI uniforms? and while we are at it, also the uniforms of CIA too?

 

[Abu Zolfiqar]

Amrullah Saleh's a bloody soviet hangover yaar; at the end of the day, putting on a suit and being clean-shaven wont cleanse himself from the sins that the Northern Alliance committed ---similar sins (human rights violations of the grossest degree) which taleban are known to also committed.

in Afghanistan, there is no "moral high ground" ........it's one faction or interest pitched against the other.


Saleh was the blue-eyed angel of NATO and Karzai until the latter 2 started talking about "peace talks" and "reconciliation"......now it seems even his ideas clash and are quite unrealistic for Afghanistan.


what we can all (even Pakistanis and indians) agree on is that rebuilding Afghanistan's destroyed institutions and institutional capacity building are a must; as are infrastructure in Afghanistan. All work in Afghanistan should come with no strings attached, treat it as a humanitarian mission and not as a way to score brownie points and promote further factionalization

 

[fd24]

It really is a shame. The second program was much the same. Not one piece of hard core evidence. Shame on these people that make so much smoke and not show you any fire. It really is a con and im dissappointed of the content. There is a big build up of showing evidence and instead they show a couple of pathan lads dressed in pyjamas having a giggle under the hijaabs they are wearing. Give it a rest Mr BBC

 

[khanz]

was watching this today what a bunch of biased shyte turned it off halfway through........

 

[Fekay]

British mainstream media uncovers 'hidden truth' about ISI... yea yea get in line...

 

[Irfan Baloch]

should we make a program about the "hidden agencies" that are funding and training the TTP? and their camps in Afghanistan?
I understand we cant blame the NATO and Afghans for not stopping the TTP from using Afghan soil to plan attacks on Pakistan because only they have the right to make a complaint but we cant say the same thing about our specific enemies and also they themselves have admitted that they are hopeless and useless to control the Afghan Taliban, expecting them to confront TT will be a folly.

on a side note, if anything in the report about the ISI is true then its impressive work that NATO is admitting that its thick skull, that is inept to control the taliban an oaf to be constantly fooled by the Pakistan.