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Army invites proposals for building FRCV tanks, DRDO surprised

The basic thing when you make a tank is the engine, without an engine are bullocks supposed to drag the tank? DRDO thinks designing a tank is the same like designing an automobile. No answers are available and speaking the truth is not being abusive it is letting you know kid that you don't have a clue on what you talking about.

Please take a look at the requirements established by the IA in the first QSR. Then you want additional armour, then you want additional active countermeasures. If you first ask for a Maruti car, you will get one with a 800 cc engine. If you wanted the Esteem, you need to put it in the requirments that you wanted the an Esteem. Later you want an ac. Is this too difficult to understand? They said, the tank does not work. When it surpassed the T-90, it shut them up. Now the fear is if MkII works, its the end of foreign maal. These chaps need to be kicked and asked to provide a proper requirement. And then the IA should be asked to accept a gradual evolution through upgrades in tranches. This is how armies globally function. Not one fine day, wake up and ask for a laser gun, because, they showed it in a movie.

Arty gun fail, fighter jets fail, rifle fail, tank fail. What good is DRDO?
Arty gun, I have already explained at-least 3 times to you. There was a GoI ban on any development on the guns. DRDO comes under the MoD. Do you understand this? Fighter jets, yes it was a major failure to take up engine development. Had the engine not been put up under the Tejas project, the LCA would have flown. Rifle, they have produced one rifle. They are developing further. Why else is it standard issue for India? Are you aware that the INSAS is almost a 20 year old thing? Its not something new. Do you know how the M-16 was developed? Tank...changing requirements. Please do not make me repeat again and again.

You keep talking about private sector. Are you aware that Indian Pvt companies entering defence are actually using DRDO technologies. No Indian Private company today has the expertise to develop defence technologies. Not even TATA SED.


They still cannot. Brahmos needed Russia to supply the source codes. Without foreign assistance DRDO is as good as non-existent.
Is it DRDO's fault that the JV which was oked by the forces and MoD did not ask for source codes? Please check on what was DRDO's role in the JV. Mission parameters are defined as per requirements and the end user here are the Indian armed forces. Why did they not explicity ask the MoD to not proceed with BrahMos if the source code was not provided? Is that also DRDO's fault?

You talk so much about private industry. Reliance has tied up with DA for the Rafale. Do you think Rafale is going to come with the threat library built for Spectra? Or is going to come with complete ToT? No. The one should drop the Rafale. You know who will need to make that? DRDO and IAF. Reliance will simply say it does not have expertise, which in reality they do not have.



You are only repeating the same trash again and again. What has DRDO been able to build so far?

They have built nothing. Happy? Who do you think has built the entire IMGDP missile arsenal? How exactly do you think soldiers survive in Siachen. Bomb explosive units. Ever heard of them? Do you think Pinaka is simply a Russian copy? Are you aware of what warheads are? Are you aware that the IA uses EW and 3ci systems which are developed by DRDO? Are you aware the DRDO has its own range of supercomputers which are exclusively used by it and the forces for very interesting things?These are just a few?

It is beyond the skill of DRDO. For raincoats also DRDO will beg for ToT. Those lazy scumbags can't build anything of their own so they beg transfer of technology for everything. Did they learn science in college or did they practise how to beg for transfer of technology?
Please read above comments.

The army will get better rain coats by importing rather than depending on useless DRDO.
I am sure they will. Knowing the way planning and procurements function in the IA.

This is your last reply because you have run out of lies and have no facts to speak.



Nag was a failure from the start. A missile needs to do two things - locate a target and destroy the target. DRDO boasted nag is a futuristic missile which has a milimetric wave seeker. Problem is nobody in DRDO knew how that thing works.

Are you serious? First you want an anti tank missile. Once its ready you want it mounted on a vehicle. Then you change requirements of vehicle. Then one day you say, it should be launched like a man portable, then you say it needs to be fired by your choppers. Seriously, this is how you defined requirements? The IA till date has no idea how to plan purchases. Also, this further shows you do not know how an anti tank missile works. The target is not located by the missile. Its located by the chap who fires it. Information is then fed in to the missile just before firing. While on course, it can be course correct. Either via a link or via radio signal. And do you know what the mmw seeker does? And I can only laugh when you say, DRDO does now know what it is. What do you think is on the Prahaar and they have been testing on the Astra? Doppler?


Army is satisfied with Javelin missiles and Russian missiles. Are those missiles build by aliens or humans? The army has no faith in DRDO and rightly so. DRDO is another government rozgar yojna for those worthless scientists who are so uneducated that they won't get a job anywhere so they join DRDO.

Of course, the Javelin is something we currently cannot develop. It is unarguably the best out there. As for Nag not being manportable again, IA's fault. Not giving proper QSR. When you give a requirement, you need to plan for the next 5 to 10 years. Not create a wish list after watching Star Wars.

Answer just one thing. Why does the Army not put its neck out and work with the DRDO like the Navy does and what the IAF is slowly doing? They will not. Because, they have the biggest allocations and these need to be spend on foreign maal.
 
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Nag was touted as a 4th generation missile (only by DRDO of course). It is not army who demands science fiction weapons, it is DRDO who promises that and after decades of failure it says it needs foreign assistance.

India's dependence on foreign anti-tank missiles shows how unreliable DRDO is.

Nag is a 3rd generation missile. Please show a quote by an official of DRDO saying NAG is a 4th generation missile. An upgrade is under development. But, its not operational or tested. The Nag met all AQSR as stated by the IA. If the IA wanted a man portable version, they should have put it in the requirements. Not after the missile and systems have been developed.

Just stop posting if you have no idea how the procurement functions in the armed forces or how the system interaction works between the armed forces, MoD, developer and contractor. All you have been ranting is about how messed up DRDO is. Yes, they have made mistakes. But, the blame on defining requirements, planning for those requirements and working with the developing and contracting agencies lies with the IA. A function which till date it has failed to achieve. The IN and IAF are far ahead in these areas.

You still have not answered my basic query. Why does the IA have no answer to the parliamentary question of 41 tenders? Why? Because, they have no idea on how to frame requierements based on needs or they simply dont want to take the onus on themselves or they want foreign maal?
 
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Nag was touted as a 4th generation missile (only by DRDO of course). It is not army who demands science fiction weapons, it is DRDO who promises that and after decades of failure it says it needs foreign assistance.

India's dependence on foreign anti-tank missiles shows how unreliable DRDO is.


Nope,Nag is a 3rd Gen.

about reliance on foreign ATGMs,Nag will serve Army(Namica,Helina) and AF(Helina).Its not failure,rather poised to be a success,as multiple countries already showed interest about purchasing it.If you're thinking about old Milan and Kornet,they're going to be phased out as Spike will take its place.Spike is a gen ahead of both Javelin and Nag.Plus,Nag's Man Portable version is in making,which will serve too.

Now let me clear something,Its first ATGM India made from scratch.You do have to consider this fact too,even then they made it a perfect missile with LOBL and LOAL(Coming and Yes my friend,show me how many missiles have this capability) capability.Its just waiting for induction for few years now,and its not a complete DRDO product.many other agencies are working simultaneously.we never gets the full picture from a news report.These delays occur from many reason,especially due to various agencies..

You guys never check the fact that Nag would be already in service if Army wasn't acting so whimsically.
 
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Its a little complicated, but yes end users have always an upper hand. They were not like this but they have some genuine bad experience with DRDO. Now I am not saying DRDO product were bad but they just dont go hand in hand.
its lack of co ordination between hem, DRDO should built what indian army wants, not what DRDO thinks is best or better.
its like going to shop asking for an apple and being hand an orange..
 
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All credit goes to DRDO for nudging the Indian army to step into Pakistan army shoes.
However, I strongly believe that Indian army will never be able to walk the path. All I see is... another humiliation in makeup for Indian war syndicate.
 
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its lack of co ordination between hem, DRDO should built what indian army wants, not what DRDO thinks is best or better.
its like going to shop asking for an apple and being hand an orange..
Indian army reject Arjun on its engine heating problem in desert but satisfy & ordered T-90 which electronics melt in desert like wax & also have engine heating problem in desert.
If they start giving commissions & eastern European flesh then they can satisfy corrupt Generals.
 
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Indian army reject Arjun on its engine heating problem in desert but satisfy & ordered T-90 which electronics melt in desert like wax & also have engine heating problem in desert.
If they start giving commissions & eastern European flesh then they can satisfy corrupt Generals.
so you are implying there is severe corruption in Indian army top brass???
 
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so you are implying there is severe corruption in Indian army top brass???
Following CAG report could clear your doubt.
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than govt should run an inquiry why was arjun rejected? and who is responsible and who took the obvious kick backs
Indian government which mostly civilians are not well versed in military matter they simply issued budget rest work done by military.
A famous joke is that most of Indian defence minister can't distinguish between rocket & mortar.
Current government who first talked defence production publically.
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Then , why not this.
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Nag is a 3rd generation missile. Please show a quote by an official of DRDO saying NAG is a 3rd generation missile. An upgrade is under development. But, its not operational or tested. The Nag met all AQSR as stated by the IA. If the IA wanted a man portable version, they should have put it in the requirements. Not after the missile and systems have been developed.

Just stop posting if you have no idea how the procurement functions in the armed forces or how the system interaction works between the armed forces, MoD, developer and contractor. All you have been ranting is about how messed up DRDO is. Yes, they have made mistakes. But, the blame on defining requirements, planning for those requirements and working with the developing and contracting agencies lies with the IA. A function which till date it has failed to achieve. The IN and IAF are far ahead in these areas.

You still have not answered my basic query. Why does the IA have no answer to the parliamentary question of 41 tenders? Why? Because, they have no idea on how to frame requierements based on needs or they simply dont want to take the onus on themselves or they want foreign maal?

I agree with on this the Army messed up the NAG project brilliantly
 
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Nag is a 3rd generation missile. Please show a quote by an official of DRDO saying NAG is a 3rd generation missile.

LOL!!

If the IA wanted a man portable version, they should have put it in the requirements.

So now the army will have to work according to the schedule of DRDO?

Just stop posting if you have no idea how the procurement functions in the armed forces or how the system interaction works between the armed forces, MoD, developer and contractor.

I know in much better detail than you who have to cry about your father, uncle, chacha, mama working in DRDO and stuff.

All you have been ranting is about how messed up DRDO is

Because they are messed up you fool.

Yes, they have made mistakes. But, the blame on defining requirements, planning for those requirements and working with the developing and contracting agencies lies with the IA. A function which till date it has failed to achieve.

Yes, blame the army and save the DRDO. And people ask why India is so weak.

You still have not answered my basic query. Why does the IA have no answer to the parliamentary question of 41 tenders? Why? Because, they have no idea on how to frame requierements based on needs or they simply dont want to take the onus on themselves or they want foreign maal?

It is foreign maal that saved India during Kargil war. DRDO babus were too busy chewing paan and spitting tobacco in their offices and army had to import from Israel. Look at Israeli weapons and look at the pieces of sh1t DRDO comes up with. And who wouldn't want foreign maal?

How many tanks, arty guns, fighter jets has India exported? How many countries buy from India? If DRDO weapons are so good then why is not a single country interested in buying them?

Name a single Indian weapon that can at least compare to western weapons if not outclass them. Countries like Turkey whose population is not even 100 million makes weapons that can compete with the best of Europe. Just do a google search and compare turkish weapons with the filthy garbage that DRDO comes up with. This is because in Turkey there is something called accountability and in Indian sarkari offices it is an alien concept.

.Its not failure,rather poised to be a success,as multiple countries already showed interest about purchasing it.

Name the countries. Not a single foreign country ever shows any interest in Indian weapons. Maybe Bhutan and Nepal but they would be persuaded to buy Indian weapons.

Now let me clear something,Its first ATGM India made from scratch.You do have to consider this fact too,even then they made it a perfect missile with LOBL and LOAL(Coming and Yes my friend,show me how many missiles have this capability) capability.Its just waiting for induction for few years now,and its not a complete DRDO product.many other agencies are working simultaneously.we never gets the full picture from a news report.These delays occur from many reason,especially due to various agencies..

DRDO will promise you the moon but they cannot even deliver dust. It will wait for induction for few years and after that the whole thing will be scrapped and India will have to beg either France, Israel or Russia for weapons because DRDO can't make anything.

You guys never check the fact that Nag would be already in service if Army wasn't acting so whimsically.

Yes, blame the army. For DRDO fanboys the Indian army is corrupt, whimsical and so utterly unprofessional that for the love of "foreign maal" they refuse to buy DRDO weapons and compromise the nation's security by purchasing from other countries.
 
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The Army’s request is for an FRCV that will not only serve as a ‘medium’-sized main battle tank to replace the Army’s ageing fleet of licence-built Russian T-72s but also as a ‘light-tracked and wheeled tank’, built on the same platform. In layman terms, this is like asking for a Humvee and a Maruti 800 on the same platform. Hopefully, the document will be either withdrawn or amended before its July 31 deadline.

The same thing army did to Arjun tanks, first they asked for a western type tank that can have 4 crew and heavier protection, and then they wanted it to have the size and weight of a Russian tank (3 crew and moderate protection), that too after the tank was built. Otherwise, Arjun tanks weigh less than many western tanks.

The biggest problem with DRDO is that they don't give kickbacks for deals, but their foreign competitors do. :(
 
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Name the countries. Not a single foreign country ever shows any interest in Indian weapons. Maybe Bhutan and Nepal but they would be persuaded to buy Indian weapons.

Tanzania, Botswana and Morocco,Peru and Azerbaijan among some .

DRDO will promise you the moon but they cannot even deliver dust. It will wait for induction for few years and after that the whole thing will be scrapped and India will have to beg either France, Israel or Russia for weapons because DRDO can't make anything.

Drdo never promised moon,and thats why we're having debates.Army wants moon and expects DRDO t deliver.

Yes, blame the army. For DRDO fanboys the Indian army is corrupt, whimsical and so utterly unprofessional that for the love of "foreign maal" they refuse to buy DRDO weapons and compromise the nation's security by purchasing from other countries.

Army is corrupt.Everybody knows that.they're far more biased than Navy.Same goes for IAF as well.Just compare T-90 and Arjun's criteria..
 
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