Army invites proposals for building FRCV tanks, DRDO surprised

[Water Car Engineer]

RIP Arjun

Even from recent VRDE concepts we knew it will have limited production.

 

[Zarvan]

RIP Arjun

It was obvious from day one but it was members here who were in denial mode

 

[surya kiran]

@Dazzler @Zarvan There is still hope. Atleast, I do. The worst we can do now, is to go for the Armata. The problem of spares and rest lies in the insufficient number of orders for the tank. Unless, there is critical mass, why will producers keep production lines. And till when? The IA is doing its best to scuttle the tank.

MoD should ask the planning chaps in IA to provide a roadmap for the Arjun, along with the developers and producers of the components. Till this happens, the story will be repeated for every project undertaken here.

@Indian Patriot till now, you have done nothing but keep bashing the DRDO and think the army is holy grail. DRDO should be accountable. Now unless, your comprehension skills are that of a donkey, you would realise, I am saying there are places, where the DRDO has failed. Just not which you point out. The IA is part of the Indian Armed Forces and have to answer to Parliament. You are confusing patriotism in supporting them with accountability. Every part has to be accountable. Including the IA. Every point you made has been answered. I replied to your query on artillery, tanks, integration during Kargil and the anti tank missile.You still have been unable to provide an answer for the two things I asked. Where and why have 41 tenders/request gone? You made fun of a typo where instead of 4th, I put in 3rd generation. You claimed that a DRDO official said Nag was 4th genertion. I asked you for a source or link or the name of the person in the media.

You said you 'know' more...let me list down things you knew:

1. Nag - you 'know' Nag is 4th generation, as per DRDO. Its not. Else provide proof.
2. Artillery - you did not 'know' that there was a freeze.
3. Integration during Kargil - you did not 'know' that source codes are part of contract, which the MoD and IAF carry out. DRDO has no role nor can it touch the code.
4. Tank - You do not 'know' how many iterations the Arjun had to undergo, because, the IA kept changing basic requirements.
5. Mww - You 'knew' DRDO cannot do this.
6. Turkey - You 'know' they have access to NATO? You did not 'know' we were embargoed?
7. You 'know' that only if there is export of defense equipment is it great.
8. You did not 'know' benchmarks set for Arjun and T-90 were the same.

All you have done is abuse. You question how I 'know'. I have listed above all the things you now know, because of this debate. Have a good day.

 

[Indian Patriot]

Tanzania, Botswana and Morocco,Peru and Azerbaijan among some .

Let the deal happen first, only then we talk.

Drdo never promised moon,and thats why we're having debates.Army wants moon and expects DRDO t deliver.

Every army on earth wants the moon and rightfully so. Wars are not Olympics where if you lose then you get a second chance. DRDO can deliver NOTHING.

Army is corrupt

If the army is corrupt then why are they guarding India? All pakistan needs to do is fill the Swiss bank accounts of army top brass with billions of dollars and pakistan can march into Delhi within 1 week.

 

[halupridol]

All those defending our bogus DPSU's.
ok if u guys want to celebrate there mediocracy n brush all there failures under the carpet then,,pls by all means.
but the bottomline is,,,,more often thn not they fail to deliver on critical Projects.
as for the indigenous argument,,,,are u guys sure that when u fall sick,all the medication u take is made in India....its great if u do,coz it will boost our indigenous pharma industry,which by the way has much more potential of growth n actually delivering thn our esteemed dpsus,,,,but then again,,I am sure jab khud pe aati hae toh indigenous se jyada foreign maal accha lagta ha.

 

[Indian Patriot]

@Indian Patriot till now, you have done nothing but keep bashing the DRDO and think the army is holy grail. DRDO should be accountable. Now unless, your comprehension skills are that of a donkey, you would realise, I am saying there are places, where the DRDO has failed. Just not which you point out. The IA is part of the Indian Armed Forces and have to answer to Parliament. You are confusing patriotism in supporting them with accountability. Every part has to be accountable. Including the IA. Every point you made has been answered. I replied to your query on artillery, tanks, integration during Kargil and the anti tank missile.You still have been unable to provide an answer for the two things I asked. Where and why have 41 tenders/request gone? You made fun of a typo where instead of 4th, I put in 3rd generation. You claimed that a DRDO official said Nag was 4th genertion. I asked you for a source or link or the name of the person in the media.

You said you 'know' more...let me list down things you knew:

1. Nag - you 'know' Nag is 4th generation, as per DRDO. Its not. Else provide proof.
2. Artillery - you did not 'know' that there was a freeze.
3. Integration during Kargil - you did not 'know' that source codes are part of contract, which the MoD and IAF carry out. DRDO has no role nor can it touch the code.
4. Tank - You do not 'know' how many iterations the Arjun had to undergo, because, the IA kept changing basic requirements.
5. Mww - You 'knew' DRDO cannot do this.
6. Turkey - You 'know' they have access to NATO? You did not 'know' we were embargoed?
7. You 'know' that only if there is export of defense equipment is it great.
8. You did not 'know' benchmarks set for Arjun and T-90 were the same.

All you have done is abuse. You question how I 'know'. I have listed above all the things you now know, because of this debate. Have a good day.

Till now you retard have done nothing except call the Indian army as corrupt for hasving rejected the garbage made by DRDO. Where is the proof of corruption? If the Indian army is only after kickbacks and money then it means all Pakistan needs to do is bribe the Indian army top brass with truckloads of money and Kashmir will be theirs in 24 hours.

Not only are you a stupid liar but a demented donkey would have better reading and writing skills than a loser like you.

And for your long lists .

1. Nag - Still not inducted.

2. Arty - The army is yet to induct an arty gun after Bofors scandal. Because DRDO is too dumb to make one.

3. Kargil - To hell with source code. The reason army had to import from Israel and Franbce in the first place is because the losers in DRDO could not manufacture and supply the weapons the army needed. The army had no NVG, no BPJ, no fire-finding radar, no modern rifle, no thermal imager, and the air force had no precision bombs.

Was the DRDO waiting for a war to happen and only then they will design these stuff?

4. Arjun - Another colossal failure. The army is happy with T-90 because it works. Nobody even cares about Arjun because it is junk.

It Arjun is such a beast then why does no western military or foreign army call Arjun a good tank? The army was forced to buy 124 Arjun because the PSUs blackmailed that their production lines would be shut if the order was cancelled.

5. Its MMW, mili metric wave; not mww. If you do not kjnow the basic things about what you are arguing then STFU. And forget MMW. Building anything modern and reliable is beyond DRDO.

6. Who the fcuk told you India is embargoed? Don't troll here you stupid jerk. An "embargoed" or whatever country does not have access to Poseidon anti-submarine aircraft - the best in US inventory. Nor does it have access to US military weapons. The sanctions against India were lifted post 9/11. Your uncle, father, mama, bhatijas who work in the military (as per your claim) did not tell you that?

In case you did not realise you cheap punk, Indian weapons are mostly imported. France would not have been allowed to sell Rafale to India, nor would F-16 and F-18 would have been allowed to participate if India had been under sanctions.

And what has Turkey's participation in NATO got to do with anything? Does NATO come and design Turkish weapons? DRDO has been begging every foreign door fort T-O-T and yet till today it has failed to come up with a design that does not look like it has been made by a school drop-out in a garage workshop.

7. Only good things are exported. People want to buy Rafale because it is great. India knew PAK-FA is great so they invested in it. Russia knew LCA is a piece of sh1t so they did not invest in it. India imports TAVOR because the army knows it is good. Israel does not import INSAS because they know it is a piece of sh1t.

8. And you did not know that T-90 is a respected and efficient tank while Arjun is a failure.

 

[surya kiran]

All those defending our bogus DPSU's.
ok if u guys want to celebrate there mediocracy n brush all there failures under the carpet then,,pls by all means.
but the bottomline is,,,,more often thn not they fail to deliver on critical Projects.
as for the indigenous argument,,,,are u guys sure that when u fall sick,all the medication u take is made in India....its great if u do,coz it will boost our indigenous pharma industry,which by the way has much more potential of growth n actually delivering thn our esteemed dpsus,,,,but then again,,I am sure jab khud pe aati hae toh indigenous se jyada foreign maal accha lagta ha.

Nobody is 'only' defending them. They have their own faults and big ones at that. But, then like you apportion blame on DPSU blame also should be placed on the IA which time and again fails to provide proper QSRs and direction. Now tell me, pharma is Private. What is the % of patents that private Indian pharma companies have as a % of whole? It has the highest right? Why, because they were allowed to do so right? Govt bodies cannot do so unless approved by MoD. Or should we blame that on DRDO too?

The point being made is, blame needs to be placed properly. Not randomly ranting and saying you are not patriotic or dumb because one does not defend an organ of state policy. Nobody is above board.

 

[Indian Patriot]

Idiots defending DRDO are those jerks whose roji roti comes from DRDO money. If DRDO shuts down they will be without food and shelter and thus they will keep defending DRDO.

 

[surya kiran]

Till now you retard have done nothing except call the Indian army as corrupt for hasving rejected the garbage made by DRDO. Where is the proof of corruption? If the Indian army is only after kickbacks and money then it means all Pakistan needs to do is bribe the Indian army top brass with truckloads of money and Kashmir will be theirs in 24 hours.

Not only are you a stupid liar but a demented donkey would have better reading and writing skills than a loser like you.

And for your long lists .

1. Nag - Still not inducted.

Ok. Now I am going to really be blunt. You are seriosuly DUMB. QSRs as per Army were MET. DO YOU UNDERSTAND? ARMY GOt WHAT THEY WANTED. THEN THEY CHANGED REQUIREMENTS. YOU FOOOOOL. READ READ READ.

2. Arty - The army is yet to induct an arty gun after Bofors scandal. Because DRDO is too dumb to make one.
THEY WERE NOT ALLOWED TO. YOU FOOOOOOOOOL.

3. Kargil - To hell with source code. The reason army had to import from Israel and Franbce in the first place is because the losers in DRDO could not manufacture and supply the weapons the army needed. The army had no NVG, no BPJ, no fire-finding radar, no modern rifle, no thermal imager, and the air force had no precision bombs.
WAS THERE A REQUIREMENT PLACED BY THE ARMY?????????? NO. YOU FOOOOOL.

Was the DRDO waiting for a war to happen and only then they will design these stuff?

4. Arjun - Another colossal failure. The army is happy with T-90 because it works. Nobody even cares about Arjun because it is junk.
YOU FOOOOOL. THERE WERE CHANGES BECAUSE ARMY HOLDS SEPARATE STANDARDS FOR ARJUN AND T-90. READ THE CAG REPORT YOU FOOOOOOOL/

It Arjun is such a beast then why does no western military or foreign army call Arjun a good tank? The army was forced to buy 124 Arjun because the PSUs blackmailed that their production lines would be shut if the order was cancelled.
THE WORLD CALLS JSF A FAILURE. DOES THAT MEAN IT IS. YOU FOOOOOOL.

5. Its MMW, mili metric wave; not mww. If you do not kjnow the basic things about what you are arguing then STFU. And forget MMW. Building anything modern and reliable is beyond DRDO.
IT IS DEPLOYED YOU FOOOL. ON INDIAN MISSILES. YOU FOOOOOOL.

6. Who the fcuk told you India is embargoed? Don't troll here you stupid jerk. An "embargoed" or whatever country does not have access to Poseidon anti-submarine aircraft - the best in US inventory. Nor does it have access to US military weapons. The sanctions against India were lifted post 9/11. Your uncle, father, mama, bhatijas who work in the military (as per your claim) did not tell you that?
INDIA WAS EMBARGOED YOU FOOOOL. READ ABOUT THE 90S. YOU FOOOOOL.

In case you did not realise you cheap punk, Indian weapons are mostly imported. France would not have been allowed to sell Rafale to India, nor would F-16 and F-18 would have been allowed to participate if India had been under sanctions.
YOU FOOOOL. HOW DO YOU THINK KAVERI WAS HALTED. YOU FOOOOOL.

And what has Turkey's participation in NATO got to do with anything? Does NATO come and design Turkish weapons? DRDO has been begging every foreign door fort T-O-T and yet till today it has failed to come up with a design that does not look like it has been made by a school drop-out in a garage workshop.
NOTHING YOU FOOOL. THEY DONT HAVE ACCESS TO ANYTHING YOU FOOOL.

7. Only good things are exported. People want to buy Rafale because it is great. India knew PAK-FA is great so they invested in it. Russia knew LCA is a piece of sh1t so they did not invest in it. India imports TAVOR because the army knows it is good. Israel does not import INSAS because they know it is a piece of sh1t.
NOBODY BUT WE ARE BUYING THE RAFALE YOU FOOOOOOO. WAS RUSSIA ASKED TO INVEST IN LCA YOU FOOOOOL. NO, AMERICANS WERE WORKING WITH US. YOU FOOOL.

8. And you did not know that T-90 is a respected and efficient tank while Arjun is a failure.
YOU FOOOOL. READ THE CAG REPORT.

BYE BYE YOU FOOOOOOL. YOUR COMPREHENSION SKILLS ARE LIKE THAT OF A .....DAMN I DO NOT WANT TO INSULT ANY ANIMAL OR PLANT. YOU FOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOL BTW, WHICH STANDARD ARE YOU IN? AND HAVE YOU PASSED ENGLISH COMPREHENSION?

 

[halupridol]

Nobody is 'only' defending them. They have their own faults and big ones at that. But, then like you apportion blame on DPSU blame also should be placed on the IA which time and again fails to provide proper QSRs and direction. Now tell me, pharma is Private. What is the % of patents that private Indian pharma companies have as a % of whole? Or should we blame that on DRDO too?

The point being made is, blame needs to be placed properly. Not randomly ranting and saying you are not patriotic or dumb because one does not defend an organ of state policy. Nobody is above board.

the question was for u,my dear
when u or some loved one falls sick,,,do u care if the drugs r indigenous or foreign.
neway I am out of here

 

[Indian Patriot]

BYE BYE YOU FOOOOOOL. YOUR COMPREHENSION SKILLS ARE LIKE THAT OF A .....DAMN I DO NOT WANT TO INSULT ANY ANIMAL OR PLANT. YOU FOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOL BTW, WHICH STANDARD ARE YOU IN? AND HAVE YOU PASSED ENGLISH COMPREHENSION?

Typical troll reaction. When you run out of facts and cannot think about any more lies then you start whining and sobbing to garner sympathy.

Go home loser, you are another retard in the Indian group who is a POS.

 

[surya kiran]

the question was for u,my dear
when u or some loved one falls sick,,,do u care if the drugs r indigenous or foreign.
neway I am out of here

I agree, totally. drugs are drugs. even i am out of here. spent too much time.

Typical troll reaction. When you run out of facts and cannot think about any more lies then you start whining and sobbing to garner sympathy.

Go home loser, you are another retard in the Indian group who is a POS.

Who quoted NAG is a 4th generation, you did?
Who has not yet replied to the 41 refusals. You have?

EVERY FACT OF YOURS HAS BEEN REPLIED TO. YOU FOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOL. COMPREHENSION FAIL YOU FOOOOOOOOOOOOL.

 

[Indian Patriot]

EVERY FACT OF YOURS HAS BEEN REPLIED TO. YOU FOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOL. COMPREHENSION FAIL YOU FOOOOOOOOOOOOL.

Not a single fact has been replied to. You only posted lies you born-retard. Who told you India is still under sanctions.

And let's agree for arguments sake India is under sanctions. So you fool want to say that DRDO being such a impotent organisation cannot design and develop weapons without foreign assistance?

And your language shows you are yet to reach 13 years in age. Go and consult your father, uncle, mama, dadu and whoever you claim they work in army and DRDO why no foreign country is ever interested in Indian weapons.

 

[surya kiran]

Not a single fact has been replied to. You only posted lies you born-retard. Who told you India is still under sanctions.

And let's agree for arguments sake India is under sanctions. So you fool want to say that DRDO being such a impotent organisation cannot design and develop weapons without foreign assistance?

And your language shows you are yet to reach 13 years in age. Go and consult your father, uncle, mama, dadu and whoever you claim they work in army and DRDO why no foreign country is ever interested in Indian weapons.

ALL MY REPLIES WILL BE "YOU FOOOOOOL. COMPREHEND WHAT IS ALREADY WRITTEN YOU FOOOOL." YES IS AM A 2 YEAR OLD, YOU FOOOOOL.

 

[Indian Patriot]

ALL MY REPLIES WILL BE "YOU FOOOOOOL. COMPREHEND WHAT IS ALREADY WRITTEN YOU FOOOOL." YES IS AM A 2 YEAR OLD, YOU FOOOOOL.

A two year old will write a more sensible post than your nonsensical rants. Maybe you are a demented 2 year old, that could explain it.