Army Deploys APC in Lahore

[Signalian]

Reminds me of the good ol days of being a student. My father would give me money to get cloths and stuff ----- which I did use to buy but not from the outlets he'd expect. Instead the procurement was usually done from androon shehar and even landa so I could spend the rest on eating karahis and other edibles for a prolonged period of time .



The only difference between ditching a brand and ditching an mrap is that the collateral damage resulting from the former is the quality of attires but from the later the lives of soldiers.

Yes, this is Army, they have tanks, you know that right ? If it was a sports team, they would show you bat or any ball.

Ohh by the way, the APC probably was bought from Italy though American type M113, so maybe you were expecting a Ferrari from Italians to be showcased by Army in some chowk,

 

[The Accountant]

Aww. Were you expecting them to greet the crowd with mithai and some cold drinks?

Abbay dimagh say farigh pujario, do you really expect the army to allow a charged crowd into a cantonment!? You can't even reach IK without his bodyguards stopping you, and you expect the army to let these idiots into a military base???

Cantonment is military base ? Its a place in administration of army from british area ... Where do u find such areas in a developed nation

 

[Crimson Blue]

Ohh by the way, the APC probably was bought from Italy though American type M113, so maybe you were expecting a Ferrari from Italians to be showcased by Army in some chowk,

This ARROGANCE ....... its clear as day light, this arrogance & self righteousness got us here.

 

[Crimson Blue]

Pakistan Army mindset (15 second clip) :

https://twitter.com/x/status/1588797716947038208

 

[crankthatskunk]

so Bajwa traitor busting another myth that PA wouldn't stand against its own people!!
Bajwa woulld go to any length to support the Regime change and an illegimate government he has imposed on Pakistan. Last few days have broken all the myths about PA. The damaged he has caused would take a long time to heal the wounds.

 

[Jazzbot]

Aww. Were you expecting them to greet the crowd with mithai and some cold drinks?

No, those are reserved only for Indians to be exchanged on border. We the bloody civilians deserve bullets, tear gas shelling, naked torture, forced abduction, black mailing etc.

 

[Trango Towers]

These are the people who are supposed to liberate Kashmir, no respect for them.. traitors

Man their wives are the real commanders. I personally knew nawaz shareef assigned helicopter pilot - a colonel. He was 6ft plus and his tutoo wife of 5'2 dominated him.

 

[ADIL SHERDIL]

That's how it all started back in 71. When Army tried to go against the ppl , ppl retaliated, and how we lost half our country before. Bhutto was made the hero and then executed. Why is it illegal to protest in Cantonment? Is it some holy place? It houses these generals and brigadiers who are interfering and screwing with the ppl for so long and they expect to live their lives in peace when there is no peace for others. Why should we talk about the problems at hand which is our current Army leadership, they are acting in the interest of others rather than their own bloody country which they have sworn to protect. When did Army become greater than Pakistan?
Don't only blame Bajwa for this shit there are other generals who are there to screw the country for their own profits. You cant talk about Army why is that? is it written in Quran?Things are going to get bloody form here on and who will u blame IK ,SS,AZ .

 

[truthseeker2010]

The only thing saving the sacred institution in Pakistan is its total control on broadcast & print media.

IMO that is not saving, that is just gaining some more time before the inevitable.

 

[Baburfromsarmarkand]

One wonders how the USA is able to keep the military under civilian control. These guys get a few tanks and take control of the nation. The COAS of the US mlitary has 5000+ plans and 8000+ tanks he can use to take over the White house and Capiol hill.

MBT - mobility, protection and firepower.

M-113's mobility is comparable to tank but it lacks the protection and the firepower. A turret for tank is manned, In PA's case, it doesn't seem a manned turret but the weapon caliber is too small still. Below are manned turrets with cannons up to 90 mm caliber.

Your dream of MRAP will become true along with a light armored 4x4, but it will take some time. Maybe they should have put a M-113 with TOW or Anza, who could tell if its a Tank destroyer or a SAM launcher.

So calling M-113 a tank -well the Australians tried to make a tank of it and so did Philippines and few others.

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M-113 Vs IED's would be a fruitful discussion. M2 Bradleys didnt fare well too.

For an MIB, you would think that the armored brigade is sitting in Chunian albeit under 4-Corps for MIB to show presence, but maybe QRF design or the units deployment have been altered.

Maybe a model of JF-17 armed with PL-15s on the chowk could have done the job too ?


Lets take a step forward.
Why Lahore Cantt only, was there a perceived or imminent threat signal sent by intel ?

That is one ugly looking vehicle.

 

[Signalian]

This ARROGANCE ....... its clear as day light, this arrogance & self righteousness got us here.

Showcasing M-113 is arrogance ? A 1960's designed machine !

 

[Signalian]

That is one ugly looking vehicle.

Yeah does look awkward with turret

 

[SQ8]

Yes, this is Army, they have tanks, you know that right ? If it was a sports team, they would show you bat or any ball.

Ohh by the way, the APC probably was bought from Italy though American type M113, so maybe you were expecting a Ferrari from Italians to be showcased by Army in some chowk,

The issue isn’t the APC deployment so much so as the need to deploy it and regular troops needing to do so.

The function being carried out is a state LE role - the army in an ideal scenario has no need nor should be manning checkposts. Even in such charged political situations paramilitary(such as Rangers) are more suited to this deployment.

The very presence of the crossed swords in what is more of a political crisis and not a security one is only amplifying the angst.

Whether the Army was involved in the current scenario or otherwise - unless people are charging GHQ or regional HQs or barracks - the military should not be a visible element otherwise if nothing else it is culpable to be held “guilty by association” .

 

[Signalian]

The issue isn’t the APC deployment so much so as the need to deploy it and regular troops needing to do so.

The function being carried out is a state LE role - the army in an ideal scenario has no need nor should be manning checkposts. Even in such charged political situations paramilitary(such as Rangers) are more suited to this deployment.

The very presence of the crossed swords in what is more of a political crisis and not a security one is only amplifying the angst.

Whether the Army was involved in the current scenario or otherwise - unless people are charging GHQ or regional HQs or barracks - the military should not be a visible element otherwise if nothing else it is culpable to be held “guilty by association” .

Deployment of Rangers gives the meaning that Army is hiding behind Government so asked Interior Ministry to send its troops to provide a shield.

A presence of APC also shows preparedness and response of military itself. Also, in case a threat was perceived and issued by intel. Its an intimidation, which waters away any show that might be put up by anyone. This is next level though. It also shows a no-nonsense approach after Army has put up a stance that they are not involved in politics so should be left alone from this mess.

 

[SQ8]

Deployment of Rangers gives the meaning that Army is hiding behind Government so asked Interior Ministry to send its troops to provide a shield.

A presence of APC also shows preparedness and response of military itself. Also, in case a threat was perceived and issued by intel. Its an intimidation, which waters away any show that might be put up by anyone. This is next level though. It also shows a no-nonsense approach after Army has put up a stance that they are not involved in politics so should be left alone from this mess.

Clearly both that message and that approach have faltered and are ipso facto flawed.

The Army doesn’t hide behind the government - it is by constitutional definition under the government so it is the government’s job to shield a institution within the state rather than the Army need to act like a state outside of Pakistani state function boundaries that does what it wishes.

Otherwise by taking the approach above it is tacit admission that the Army considers itself superior beings unapproachable by the common man regardless of whether they have a representative government or not.

It enforces the occupying force oppressor narrative more than ever before.