Army checkpost in Waziristan attacked by Mohsin Dawar, PTM supporters

[M. Sarmad]

"You really think that army should (or can) provide proof before retaliating to every single attack on them? 5 injured soldiers are not a 'proof' enough for you?"
Nothing of this prove that PTM attacked the post.

Okay, you believe that 5 injured soldiers are not a proof that PTM attacked Army checkpoint!!
Now Please tell us What kind of proof are you looking for?

Also, you haven't been able to provide proof that Pak Army is carrying out illegal activities in FATA, still waiting...

 

[Handshake]

Total junk, and false propaganda against PTM by the army.


Total junk, and false propaganda against PTM by the army. PTM was being stopped from conducting protest against illegal arrest of persons and when they insisted, Army opened fired on them.

Ali wazeer once said Israel zindabad.
Ptm says ye jo dehshatgardi he is ke pechy ward i he.
gulalai ismael shouting at people's that army rape children's and women's.
ptm supporter say lar o bar yo Afghan.
pukhtoon die everyday in afghanistan by Afghan army which is controlled by ashraf ghani but none of them talk against him.
muhsin dawar sits with Indian and Afghan smashing Pakistan at international forum.
3 demands went to uncountable demands.
waziristan has now peace and pukhtoon spend normal life so why these so called FAKE ptm tehreek nafsiyati mareez want to start another clash.
this is truely a nonsense.
what other tribes in Pakistan would think about pukhtoon future generations?

 

[Mrc]

1- regarding kharotabad, Just a month ago an ISI operative/Officer (naib subaidar) who regularly visits our office, laughingly said, PTM is happy that now we have installed FC on most of the checkposts, but these idiots don't know that FC is part of Army, FC is army too -------> JUST for clarity................ But you still didn't answered my question, what if what FC or police did then, Army repeats it, don't we need to investigate?

2- No I don't want to malign LeA, I provide IT services to LEA in that region, but considering my self a logical person (you have full right to disagree, ) and knowing previous record here on ground, the dgispr's statement doesn't feels logical to me, therefore I want some proof to believe this, untill then to me, PTM's stance seems to legit.

3- Just before merger of FATA into KP these arrests were under FCR and was legal, although I still consider it as torture because local tribesmen couldn't stand against the terrorists, but now after Merger of FATA into KP it is unlawful, I am not blaming something new this has been happening since the beginning but was considered to be under FCR.


Exactly attack on Army is unacceptable in any case, but actually someone did attacked on Army??? or army just restored to firing to control the protestors?

Bro try to keep a neutral view...

Do u think all was fault of army and Mahsoods did nothing wrong??

Jab goli chalti hay nuksaan dono taraf hota hay...

No body is going to hand over half of Pakistan to American slaves in Afghanistan just few deluded individuals thinking they are some superior race and few facebook posts...

Yahan logon k galay pak army na nahin kaatay... Apni check postoon per bacha bazi pakistani nahin kertay even Pakhtoon in uniform don't...

Just deluding your self...

Yeah superior race soviets say na lar saki... America day na lar saki... Fassad kerwa lo jitna marzi... Bucket loads

Aap video share kro jahan pak army kissi k sir k saath football khail rahi ho... Main krta hoon jahan Mahsood yeah kaam ker rahay hain...


Afghan apni check posts per bacha kyon rakhti hay???

 

[Pakhtoon yum]

Someone explain this line, its worded weirdly

 

[Haris Mansoor]

So, You believe that whatever PTM members are telling (without any proof of course) is Gospel truth and the Pak Army is doing false propaganda... Talk about bias?

If you can read.
If you read my post carefully, where I said, at the moment I saw the news, I knew it couldn't be like that" (something like that) which shows that my assumption was not based on what PTM says, (I am not a member of PTM neither do I subscribe to their pages and groups on social media) but was based on what I know usually happens here on ground, and then I search online to get PTM's side of the story too.

The whole movement is based on lies and racism

Not lies but racism yes.

Okay, you believe that 5 injured soldiers are not a proof that PTM attacked Army checkpoint!!
Now Please tell us What kind of proof are you looking for?

On the other side PTM has 3 dead and more than 10 injured, does it says something?

Also, you haven't been able to provide proof that Pak Army is carrying out illegal activities in FATA, still waiting...

FCR is not a law anymore and army is still practicing its terms which is now Illegal. isn't it enough?

Ali wazeer once said Israel zindabad.
Ptm says ye jo dehshatgardi he is ke pechy ward i he.
gulalai ismael shouting at people's that army rape children's and women's.
ptm supporter say lar o bar yo Afghan.
pukhtoon die everyday in afghanistan by Afghan army which is controlled by ashraf ghani but none of them talk against him.
muhsin dawar sits with Indian and Afghan smashing Pakistan at international forum.
3 demands went to uncountable demands.
waziristan has now peace and pukhtoon spend normal life so why these so called FAKE ptm tehreek nafsiyati mareez want to start another clash.
this is truely a nonsense.
what other tribes in Pakistan would think about pukhtoon future generations?

1- Israel is not only enemy of Pakistan, she is enemy of Islam too, you haven't provide any source about this, but if he had said this, punish him according to law, or even worse.
2- This slogan is what PTM's core supporters chants, I will not comment on this.
3 - Lar o bar yo Afghan slogan is not from PTM but it came from the supporters of ANP and PMAP which also support PTM, I consider these parties anti Pakistan, and they must be dealt with.
4- Media should be allowed to interview PTM's top leadership and then media should ask them about their stance on Pashtun situation in Afghanistan. I haven't heard anything related to this from PTM.
5- There is an issue going on in Pakistan, India and Afghanistan are taking advantage of this situation, Government should act about this.
6- Can you please specify, what was their 3 demands and where they went "not from govt mouth, show me something asked by PTM"
7- Waziristan does have peace to some extant, but if you ever had tried once to listen what PTM's demands are then you wouldn't ask this question.
8- I couldn't got your point in this future generations stuff.

Do u think all was fault of army and Mahsoods did nothing wrong??
Jab goli chalti hay nuksaan dono taraf hota hay...

Yes Keep it neutral please but first you need to elaborate what do you mean by Mahsoods first??

Bro try to keep a neutral view...

No body is going to hand over half of Pakistan to American slaves in Afghanistan just few deluded individuals thinking they are some superior race and few facebook posts...

Nobody is asking to divide Pakistan or handover half of Pakistan to someone, can you point out any demand that say so???
lar o bar is not new, ANP and PMAP used this slogan from ages, this is not related to PTM in anyway.

Yahan logon k galay pak army na nahin kaatay... Apni check postoon per bacha bazi pakistani nahin kertay even Pakhtoon in uniform don't...

Just deluding your self...

Yeah superior race soviets say na lar saki... America day na lar saki... Fassad kerwa lo jitna marzi... Bucket loads

Aap video share kro jahan pak army kissi k sir k saath football khail rahi ho... Main krta hoon jahan Mahsood yeah kaam ker rahay hain...
Afghan apni check posts per bacha kyon rakhti hay???

I can't relate this part in any way to the current situation.

 

[M. Sarmad]

If you can read.
If you read my post carefully, where I said, at the moment I saw the news, I knew it couldn't be like that" (something like that) which shows that my assumption was not based on what PTM says, (I am not a member of PTM neither do I subscribe to their pages and groups on social media) but was based on what I know usually happens here on ground, and then I search online to get PTM's side of the story too.


Not lies but racism yes.


On the other side PTM has 3 dead and more than 10 injured, does it says something?


FCR is not a law anymore and army is still practicing its terms which is now Illegal. isn't it enough?


1- Israel is not only enemy of Pakistan, she is enemy of Islam too, you haven't provide any source about this, but if he had said this, punish him according to law, or even worse.
2- This slogan is what PTM's core supporters chants, I will not comment on this.
3 - Lar o bar yo Afghan slogan is not from PTM but it came from the supporters of ANP and PMAP which also support PTM, I consider these parties anti Pakistan, and they must be dealt with.
4- Media should be allowed to interview PTM's top leadership and then media should ask them about their stance on Pashtun situation in Afghanistan. I haven't heard anything related to this from PTM.
5- There is an issue going on in Pakistan, India and Afghanistan are taking advantage of this situation, Government should act about this.
6- Can you please specify, what was their 3 demands and where they went "not from govt mouth, show me something asked by PTM"
7- Waziristan does have peace to some extant, but if you ever had tried once to listen what PTM's demands are then you wouldn't ask this question.
8- I couldn't got your point in this future generations stuff.


Yes Keep it neutral please but first you need to elaborate what do you mean by Mahsoods first??


Nobody is asking to divide Pakistan or handover half of Pakistan to someone, can you point out any demand that say so???
lar o bar is not new, ANP and PMAP used this slogan from ages, this is not related to PTM in anyway.


I can't relate this part in any way to the current situation.

You seem to have serious comprehension issues. Look at my posts, and then at your totally irrelevant responses....

 

[Haris Mansoor]

You seem to have serious comprehension issues. Look at my posts, and then at your totally irrelevant responses....

What can I do if your brain can't keep track of relationship, you need to update your software to new Relation Database Management Software. Until you get some high speed internet connection and updates your software let me breakdown my response for you.
In response to your this post, which has two parts one says if I believe Army's stance is a false propaganda and the first part says if I believe what PTM says is Gospel truth to me? So, yes I believe that what Army is saying is false, and for the second (which actually first part of your question) I don't believe what PTM says must be true, to compliment this I wrote, before listening to PTM side of the story I knew army's stance was a lie. why? past experience.

So, You believe that whatever PTM members are telling (without any proof of course) is Gospel truth and the Pak Army is doing false propaganda... Talk about bias?

 

[Mrc]

If you can read.
If you read my post carefully, where I said, at the moment I saw the news, I knew it couldn't be like that" (something like that) which shows that my assumption was not based on what PTM says, (I am not a member of PTM neither do I subscribe to their pages and groups on social media) but was based on what I know usually happens here on ground, and then I search online to get PTM's side of the story too.


Not lies but racism yes.


On the other side PTM has 3 dead and more than 10 injured, does it says something?


FCR is not a law anymore and army is still practicing its terms which is now Illegal. isn't it enough?


1- Israel is not only enemy of Pakistan, she is enemy of Islam too, you haven't provide any source about this, but if he had said this, punish him according to law, or even worse.
2- This slogan is what PTM's core supporters chants, I will not comment on this.
3 - Lar o bar yo Afghan slogan is not from PTM but it came from the supporters of ANP and PMAP which also support PTM, I consider these parties anti Pakistan, and they must be dealt with.
4- Media should be allowed to interview PTM's top leadership and then media should ask them about their stance on Pashtun situation in Afghanistan. I haven't heard anything related to this from PTM.
5- There is an issue going on in Pakistan, India and Afghanistan are taking advantage of this situation, Government should act about this.
6- Can you please specify, what was their 3 demands and where they went "not from govt mouth, show me something asked by PTM"
7- Waziristan does have peace to some extant, but if you ever had tried once to listen what PTM's demands are then you wouldn't ask this question.
8- I couldn't got your point in this future generations stuff.


Yes Keep it neutral please but first you need to elaborate what do you mean by Mahsoods first??


Nobody is asking to divide Pakistan or handover half of Pakistan to someone, can you point out any demand that say so???
lar o bar is not new, ANP and PMAP used this slogan from ages, this is not related to PTM in anyway.


I can't relate this part in any way to the current situation.

I invite u to visit PTM official Facebook page

 

[M. Sarmad]

What can I do if your brain can't keep track of relationship, you need to update your software to new Relation Database Management Software. Until you get some high speed internet connection and updates your software let me breakdown my response for you.
In response to your this post, which has two parts one says if I believe Army's stance is a false propaganda and the first part says if I believe what PTM says is Gospel truth to me? So, yes I believe that what Army is saying is false, and for the second (which actually first part of your question) I don't believe what PTM says must be true, to compliment this I wrote, before listening to PTM side of the story I knew army's stance was a lie. why? past experience.

I have been very clear.
Either you are being deliberately evasive, or you really are a clueless dim-witted fellow.
In any case, you're just wasting my time
Have a nice day.

 

[Haris Mansoor]

I invite u to visit PTM official Facebook page

Can you please share its link? I don't know about their official page though.

I have been very clear.
Either you are being deliberately evasive, or you really are a clueless dim-witted fellow.
In any case, you're just wasting my time
Have a nice day.

Actually not me but you are being evasive, you haven't answered any of my question on the other side, I responded to your questions with clear cut answers.
Yes this happens when you don't have any answer, you simply just left just like BB did yesterday when he/she didn't have anything answer about medical situation in Sindh.
Have a nice day you too.

 

[Khan_patriot]

Thanks for consideration, I am in hurry too, had to get stuff for sehri.
I will be glade to know treason cases of PTM, because this will end my discussion with my dad, who is in defence services.
PS::: I am not a hard core supporter of PTM, I even falls in discussion with PTM supporter in a few scenario too. but I just can't let killing of 3 protestors go in the vain.


"You really think that army should (or can) provide proof before retaliating to every single attack on them? 5 injured soldiers are not a 'proof' enough for you?"
Nothing of this prove that PTM attacked the post.

I have had enough of these Cantt bred, NUST going, ISSB reject Army brat yahoos who think that just because they saw a glimpse of the Army growing up that they are subject matter experts on all issues related to defense and the military. Take you head out of your rear kid. The Army is paid to do things that are not pretty but vital for the survival of the country. If i fucking punch you in the gut right right now, will you not retaliate, if not then you need to do look hard and deep for your manhood. The PTM and anyone who takes up arms against the state are traitors and need to be shot, the response in this case was still in my opinion very limited and should have been alot stronger.

 

[Mrc]

Can you please share its link? I don't know about their official page though.


Actually not me but you are being evasive, you haven't answered any of my question on the other side, I responded to your questions with clear cut answers.
Yes this happens when you don't have any answer, you simply just left just like BB did yesterday when he/she didn't have anything answer about medical situation in Sindh.
Have a nice day you too.

Using mobile just use Google...

This is a snapshot post from that page

https://www.facebook.com/video.php?v=456415378455956

https://www.facebook.com/video.php?v=458581128239381

Another

 

[shah_123]

@Haris Mansoor
your ignorance amazes me.
I haven't been following much of PTM activities other than reading their few statements.--- Their just one statement was enough for me to understand what this party stood for and where they are coming from. --

 

[Mrc]

1- These are not seems to be their official page

2- first post says about Afghan, not Afghani, I am an Afghan, and I am a Pakistani,
All Pashtoon are actually Afghan, Pashtoon or Pathan are what you say, nick names of Afghan. therefore this is not against Pakistan but yes it is racial against Punjabies.


I am actually happy that you are amazed by me :p or I am able to amaze someone .
Actually your ignorance made me sad, you don't need to follow their activities, even I don't follow them, I just occasionally watch Manzoor Pashteen interviews and listen to their demands. I know their demands are genuine, there may be some scumbag in their lines but only valid thing is what Manzoor says. If someone is visiting Indian consulate, ISI should investigate them if this is a normal procedure for anyone who goes to Indian consulate.

No one has problem with that...

By the way heera mandiyan aaj kal Afghanio say bhari pari hein...

Take my word for it...

 

[Mrc]

No one should have problem with that, but many seams to have.
Your profile says your are 45 years old, you shouldn't go there regularly, but you seams to be a regular visitor there

Ehtram e ramazan