Armenian President on Pakistan's close relations with Azerbaijan and Turkey | Exclusive Interview

[SD 10]

IIRC Pakistan is the only country in the world that doesn't recognise Armenia. It's strange af

we are PAKISTANIS.... we can do anything

 

[ziaulislam]

Turkey and Azerbaijan have full relations with Armenia, I honestly cannot see why we do not.
If someone knows, please tell me.

Agree we should accept armenia and be done with it
They no longer occupy any land so there is no point now
Armenia has clout in europe and america
Not big but some clout

 

[xyx007]

Our stance on Nagro kar Bag illegal occupation has been clarified and the issue resolved. There is no point to not establish diplomatic ties, otherwise tell me the logic. We need to smooth our business, by promoting trade we can convey our message of peace.
In Pakistan, we are a peaceful nation. If anyone extends an arm of peace, we, as a nation of peace, shake hands. That is the fundamental principle of our religion. However, leave the rest to Allah, as he knows best and perfects Planners.

 

[Darth Vader]

Reasonable statement even after they know Pakistan will support Turkey & Azerbaijan
Biggest issue lies with Pakistan itself
Yes Pakistan a gate state to central Asia, middle east, access to China.
Has 200 Million population,
Has one of the biggest standing military in the world, is a nuclear power but thats where the story ends.
When it comes to soft political power 60s Pakistan was much more powerful with a weaker military but better economy.
Now its the other way.
Leadership and people had some vision.
Until Pakistan itself can actually utilise its 200m people sad to say has no future.
Resources are limited population growth keeps getting worse and worse and no one is doing anything all political parties & military included.
Pakistan should have started working on this in 90s decades late already.

 

[dBSPL]

If I had a penny every time Turks and Azeris mentioned Khojaly,I'd have a new PC by now. Hur dur Armenia occupy 1/3 of Azerbaijan?
That was Armenian homeland since the ancient times. Armenians lived all around there for centuries and centuries. And funny how Azeris and Turks don't mention all the massacres of Armenians in Karabakh by Azeris since the early 20th century to now.

All you hear is "Khojaly,Khojaly". Which was a tragic event,but disputed as to the nature of what happened.

Anyway,there's no reason why Pakistan shouldn't have better relations with Armenia.

No, these lands have been belong to many nations and feudal statelets in the region for tens of centuries. It is not possible for today's Armenia to see all this heritage as its own with any objective historical thesis. Armenians have claims not only on Turkey but also on Georgia, Syria, Iran and Azerbaijan. And they claim that these areas belong to them historically. (Sounds so familiar to you, right?)

The Khojaly massacre was committed by the Armenian state, without the slightest doubt, in front of all historical documents and even cameras. There's no argument in it, and it's painfully disgusting that you ps-try.

This mentality, which caused indescribable suffering in Khojaly and Karabakh, continues with all its vitality even today among the Armenians who grew up with a politicized and distorted understanding of history. They do not even hide their joy that 70 Armenian soldiers who went to Kazakhstan will kill Turks.

https://twitter.com/x/status/1479220107427692546

The region, especially Shusha, is also the historical homeland of Azerbaijanis. In a broader perspective: Eastern Rome, Abbasids, Seljuks, Safavids, Turkish fiefdoms, and for most of history these lands were ruled by Turkish and Iranian dynasties.

But what creates the problem here: The last land division was made by the Russians between 1918-1920. So none of these states ever engaged in political engineering to the extent that the Russians did. This imperial policy led to massacres that led to the deaths of tens of thousands of Azeris and Muslims by Armenian organizations, not only in Turkey and the northern Caucasus, but even in the territory of present-day modern Iran.

In 1918, Bolshevik Russia's enactment and publication of a decree on Turkish Armenia was enough to set both peoples fight each other which previously they living in peace against each other. Because with this decree, Armenian militias would replace the Russian soldiers who were withdrawing from the region. As a matter of fact, Stephan Shaumyan was appointed as the "Caucasian Extraordinary Commissioner" in order to organize these affairs. Shaumyan would act in line with the instruction he received from Lenin and establish the Bolshevik regime in the region.

As a matter of fact, Shaumyan followed the instruction given by Lenin and in a short time he established a corps, mostly of Armenian citizens, and appointed Nazarbekyan, who was originally Armenian, as its head. Nazarbekyan, who took advantage of this power very well, advanced in the direction of Eastern Anatolia and inflicted serious casualties in Erzincan, Erzurum, Bayburt and Gümüşhane. However, when Enver Pasha ordered Vehip Pasha to advance, the First Caucasian Corps under the command of Kazım Karabekir took action, and in a short time the lands up to Trabzon, including the above-mentioned regions, were liberated.

The historical basis of today's Armenia's problem with Turkey is this invasion attempt and the great defeat that followed. As a matter of fact, they could not be more than pawns used for the hegemony of the region for the Russians, both in the Tsarist Russia(Dashnag and Hınchak terrorists) period and later in the Bolsheviks.

On March 3, 1918, the Treaty of Brest-Litovsk was signed between the Ottomans and Russia. After the weapons of the soldiers belonging to the Azerbaijan National Units were collected, the “Şamhor Massacre” massacre took place and thousands of demobilized soldiers were killed. After this incident, the troops led by Necmettin Gotsinski in Dagestan made their way out of Petrovsk and cut the road transportation between Baku and Russia, which worried the Bolsheviks. During the tension, the Bolsheviks strengthened the Dashnaks with the promise of a state. On March 31, the Armenian-Bolshevik coalition completed its preparations and launched an offensive against the Muslims. Thus began the wave of massacres and invasions that led to today's Caucasian political map. Especially the Baku massacre is an unforgettable pain. The Bolshevik-Dashnak troops were even killing the people gathered in and around the Ismailiye building.

Without knowing the Baku Massacre and its consequences in the region (one of these results is the decision of an independent state by the Azerbaijanis), and ultimately without knowing how the Russians divided the region unilaterally and for their own interests in 1920, regardless of any demographic factors, without knowing which regions were removed from the Azerbaijani administration and given to the Armenian administration; all other all comments and supposedly 'ancient claims' /just like Zionists/are frivolous debates that just amuse amateurs and facebook historians.

27 december 1919

Before the Soviet partition:

If anyone wants to discuss these topics, they can open a thread and invite me. I would be happy to answer you with historical documents.
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If I go back to the subject; Of course, the Pakistani state can recognize Armenia and develop its political and economic relations. This issue does not concern Turkey and is an independent event from it.

 

[Foinikas]

No, these lands have been belong to many nations and feudal statelets in the region for tens of centuries. It is not possible for today's Armenia to see all this heritage as its own with any objective historical thesis. Armenians have claims not only on Turkey but also on Georgia, Syria, Iran and Azerbaijan. And they claim that these areas belong to them historically. (Sounds so familiar to you, right?)

Armenians had been living in that area for some 3,000 years. Not all of their claims of Anatolian lands are correct,but they did have a big part there. But what is called Karabakh,that used to be Armenian homelands for millenia.
Claims on Syria and Iran are usually made by extreme nationalists,based on maps of Tigran the Great's empire:

Now discarding most of these claims,you can't deny that the basic homeland of Armenians since at least the Roman times,has been the area around the Caucasus.

The Khojaly massacre was committed by the Armenian state, without the slightest doubt, in front of all historical documents and even cameras. There's no argument in it, and it's painfully disgusting that you ps-try.

Oh just like your fellow Turks in the same "painfully disgusting" manner deny Ottoman and modern Turkish atrocities against Greeks?

The Khojaly massacre was another example of modern propaganda well-played.

Khojaly. Myths and Facts

Khojaly. Myths and Facts

infocheck.am

Armenian National Committee of Australia: The Khojaly Genocide Fabrication

www.anc.org.au

Genocides that Never Were: Jenin, West Bank, and Khojaly, Nagorno-Karabakh

From the blog of David Davidian at The Times of Israel

blogs.timesofisrael.com

Besides...all you hear from Azeris is "Khojaly Khojaly".

Nobody mentions all this:

 

[insight-out]

He was absolutely correct and seemed like very sane guy.
Pakistan ko adat Hai paraey pangon main tang arany ki... Or ham merny ko tayyar hain per apni yeh adat nai chorh sakty ham.

It's quid pro quo diplomacy. We offer verbal support to Turkey and Azerbaijan on Cyprus and Nagorno-Karabakh. In exchange, they support us on Kashmir.