Armenian official: "Israel expects to go the way of Germany"

[MarkusS]

Whilst it is true that from Europe, Man has benefitted tremendously and made great advances; it is also true that from Europe, Man has suffered severe oppression.

no pain...no gain

 

[vostok]

Up until the mid 18th century the Romanian Principalities had their own army to and had relations with other states.In the 18th century the Ottomans installed puppet rulers of Greek origin called the fanariots and this lasted 'till the begining of the 19th century,s0me 90 years.In this period,yes,the armies were just bodyguards of the fanariots.If you want to argue this,you can check history:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Finta.....1653...Wallachians vs Moldovans

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Khotyn_(1673)....1673...Wallachian and Moldavian troops defect to the Polish side causing Ottoman defeat

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Călugăreni....1595 Wallachians vs Ottomans

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Șelimbăr 1599 Wallachians vs Transilvanian Hungarians

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Saint_Gotthard_(1664) 1664 Wallachian,Moldavian and Crimean Khanate vassals accompany Ottoman troops vs Holy League

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Obertyn 1531 Moldavians vs Poles

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pruth_River_Campaign 1711 Russians and Moldovans vs Ottomans

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Siege_of_Plevna 1877 Romanians and Russians vs Ottomans

To be honest, I have a basic understanding only about the history of the principality of Moldavia, not about other lands. But anyway, I think the Crimean Khanate had higher status.
The European powers had embassies in the principalities?

 

[TMA]

Ottomans ruled a large part of the Balkans.
Did they do so legally?
They ruled because of conquests, not because they had any legal rights.

The British, on the other hand had legal rights to Palestine,
since they obtained that from the League of Nations.

Who gave that right to the LON?

no pain...no gain

This was oppression not pain. Oppression is different.

 

[flamer84]

To be honest, I have a basic understanding only about the history of the principality of Moldavia, not about other lands. But anyway, I think the Crimean Khanate had higher status.
The European powers had embassies in the principalities?

Yes,they had legations.I said similar to the Crimean Khanate,the Tatars were muslims after all while the Romanians (Wallachians,Moldovans) weren't.

 

[MarkusS]

Who gave that right to the LON?


This was oppression not pain. Oppression is different.

Opression is a two sided coin. The greeks got opressed by the turks. Italy crushed evry single attempt of the turks to conquer italy. Opression happenes because the opressed allow it to happen.

 

[vostok]

Yes,they had legations.I said similar to the Crimean Khanate,the Tatars were muslims after all while the Romanians (Wallachians,Moldovans) weren't.

So, the Romanian principalities were just tributaries, vassals? This is much higher status than the province.

 

[bsruzm]

But anyway, I think the Crimean Khanate had higher status.

That's true.

 

[TMA]

Opression is a two sided coin. The greeks got opressed by the turks. Italy crushed evry single attempt of the turks to conquer italy. Opression happenes because the opressed allow it to happen.

And the woman who got raped is at fault because she allowed it to happen?

 

[flamer84]

So, the Romanian principalities were just tributaries, vassals? This is much higher status than the province.

Yes.They paid taxes,had armies.The worst period was the Phanariot time from 1720's until 1820's when Greek origin rulers were placed by the Sultans only to be changed after 1-3 years.In this time,the armies of the Principalities were nonexistent,only some bodyguards to protect the rulers.Still,these territories were never outright incorporated like Greece,Serbia,Bulgaria,etc.

 

[vostok]

That's true.

Can you tell me the difference between the status of Moldavia, Wallachia and the Crimean Khanate?

 

[GOLDENEAGLE1]

Let's recognize all holocausts, genocides and crimes against humanity equally

We believe all human lives are equal impotant and sacred african turk armenian chinese it doesnt matter... lets remember all of those human suffering and losses and not be racist and hypocrite about it. Europeans are the last ones to point fingers to others and make accuse of genocide.

First major european countries should come clean before lecture turks about human rights

 

[flamer84]

I want to ask you serious. You seem to have a deep historical background.
Can you please explain me , why the most effective commanders, diplomats and key rulers of the Ottomans were from the Balkans and the Russian Empire ?

Turkish Republic Founder Mustafa Kemal was born in Macedonia and their current president is an ethnic Georgian.

I have no prejudice against Turks, we lived and now live again peaceful together in Novi Pazar.

Maybe because they weren't ethnic Turks at origin and after converting they tried to proove their allegiance and had a thirst for power ? The Koprulu family comes to my mind immediately.

 

[GOLDENEAGLE1]

That's Ajda Pekkan

It's about domestic power structure.. the sultans wanted non-turkics closer to him that way he could be sure to have people who are 100% loyal only to himself instead of turks who have ties and will be influenced by their turk clans those clans were powerful already and could posses threat to unity of state and authority.. that's the main reason.

 

[Abu Zolfiqar]

The Germans were allied with the Ottomans during WWI and they were responsible for the holocaust....and yet they want to point others about "genocide" how about just recognizing it as a civil war during a time when the Ottomans were not even as strong as they used to be.

Politically-motivated rubbish, conveniently times though - when there's enough pressure on Turkiye vis a vis the refugee situation

Why not recognize the genocide of Kashmiris then if "morality" is suddenly an issue for EU these days

Then I guess the Eurpoeans are going to compensate the countries they enslaved and occupied?

for example the genocide of 1 million Algerians by the French

 

[MarkusS]

And the woman who got raped is at fault because she allowed it to happen?

My girl carries pepper spray, a knife and would aim for the throat the moment a rapist would come to close.