Arjun News & Discussions

[farhan_9909]

leo 2a4 and older arjun prototypes had some striking similarities

thanks to chacha krauss

leo 2a4 and older arjun prototypes had some striking similarities

thanks to chacha krauss

 

[GORKHALI]

leo 2a4 and older arjun prototypes had some striking similarities

thanks to chacha krauss

leo 2a4 and older arjun prototypes had some striking similarities

thanks to chacha krauss

Thankz you.It got barrell and tracks and human driving it.

 

[DESERT FIGHTER]

Thankz you.It got barrell and tracks and human driving it.

You forgot to add one more thing it was designed by krauss Maffei... with more than 30% of its parts like engine, transmission, gun barrel, tracks and fire control systemare imported...

 

[Abingdonboy]

You forgot to add one more thing it was designed by krauss Maffei... with more than 30% of its parts like engine, transmission, gun barrel, tracks and fire control systemare imported...

And? It is a world class system, there is no point in reinventing the wheel- if you can get world-class subsystems/components from others then why not? Even the much admired M1 Abrams has many foreign made/designed/origin elements most prominent would probably be it's barrel which comes from Rheinmetall and is a derivative of their 120 mm L/44 gun

For a first (proper) attempt- it ain't half bad- as some in my part of the world would say!

 

[DESERT FIGHTER]

And? It is a world class system, there is no point in reinventing the wheel- if you can get world-class subsystems/components from others then why not? Even the much admired M1 Abrams has many foreign made/designed/origin elements most prominent would probably be it's barrel which comes from Rheinmetall and is a derivative of their 120 mm L/44 gun

For a first (proper) attempt- it ain't half bad- as some in my part of the world would say!

Yes must be the reason why only 125-8? MK-Is and the same number of futur MK-II are on order.. while hundreds of inferior T-90s are being inducted...

 

[Abingdonboy]

Yes must be the reason why only 125-8? MK-Is and the same number of futur MK-II are on order.. while hundreds of inferior T-90s are being inducted...

248 MK.1s have been ordered. 124 Mk.2s have been ordered initially and orders are likely to touch 300+ eventually so Mk.1 and 2 orders will total 600-700 at the very least. What the IA is now after is the FMBT which will now be effectively be the Arjun Mk.3 and the IA has stated it has requirements for 1000 FMBTs to start with and this figure will grow in the long term as T-90S is phased out.


The Arjun is incredibly expensive right now and that is holding the IA back to an extent-~$8MN each which makes it possibly the most expensive tank on the planet. Unit costs will of course decrease with larger orders because of Economices of Scale.


Addtionally the largest hang up by far is the setting up of the relevant infrastructure for the IA in the field. The IA has traditionally operated medium-weight Russian origin tanks and employed a specific doctrine to transport, maintain, supply and fight with them. Now they are faced with the challenge of operating a heavy 60+ ton tank which is much more Western ideologically and thus requires radically different infrastructure and the IA as only just recently got its head around this challenge.

The Arjun is a project for the long term buddy, in a few years the success of the project will be most apparent.

 

[atatwolf]

is this tank better than Altay?

 

[BDforever]

is this tank better than Altay?

I do not think so

 

[Desi Guy]

is this tank better than Altay?

http://www.defence.pk/forums/indian-defence/95660-arjun-mark-ii-israeli-view-must-read.html

 

[DESERT FIGHTER]

248 MK.1s have been ordered. 124 Mk.2s have been ordered initially and orders are likely to touch 300+ eventually so Mk.1 and 2 orders will total 600-700 at the very least. What the IA is now after is the FMBT which will now be effectively be the Arjun Mk.3 and the IA has stated it has requirements for 1000 FMBTs to start with and this figure will grow in the long term as T-90S is phased out.


The Arjun is incredibly expensive right now and that is holding the IA back to an extent-~$8MN each which makes it possibly the most expensive tank on the planet. Unit costs will of course decrease with larger orders because of Economices of Scale.


Addtionally the largest hang up by far is the setting up of the relevant infrastructure for the IA in the field. The IA has traditionally operated medium-weight Russian origin tanks and employed a specific doctrine to transport, maintain, supply and fight with them. Now they are faced with the challenge of operating a heavy 60+ ton tank which is much more Western ideologically and thus requires radically different infrastructure and the IA as only just recently got its head around this challenge.

The Arjun is a project for the long term buddy, in a few years the success of the project will be most apparent.

First of all man... Im right about the figures... only 119 Arjun MK-Is were ordered and 128 arjun mk-II were ordered which will start getting inducted from 2015 onwards... unless you can give me a source.. also mk-I costed 16-17crore....while MK-II will cost 34 crore (according to broadsword.... dont know how reliable tht is).... i dont know if tht equals to 8 million dollars per unit.....and for your information FMBT it has been cancelled....as for the most expensive mbt on planet...even M1A2 costs no more than 4.25 to 6.2 million USDs depending on its variant! ... dont tell me tht its more advanced and expensive than Abrams tht USM uses?

About phasing out T-90s which are still being inducted.. dude you still have t-55s,vijayantas and t-72s in service? and ur talkin abt phasing out your brand new t-90s?when they are to become your backbone.

 

[Abingdonboy]

is this tank better than Altay?

I do not think so

The Atlay isn't part of the table but here's a comparison table anyway:

But bear in mind the specs for the Arjun are only for the Mk.1 and not the much improved Mk.2.


But also be aware the views you'll get on this forum,regarding the Arjun, from certain members will not truly represent the Arjun's true ability and standings.

 

[BDforever]

The Atlay isn't part of the table but here's a comparison table anyway:

But bear in mind the specs for the Arjun are only for the Mk.1 and not the much improved Mk.2.


But also be aware the views you'll get on this forum,regarding the Arjun, from certain members will not truly represent the Arjun's true ability and standings.

i do not know much about other systems, just found one weakness Arjun uses rifle gun which has less accuracy than smooth bore gun.

 

[atatwolf]

I do not think so

why not?


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[BDforever]

why not?


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i checked Altay's specifications, it has some technologies of K2 Black panther tank (the best tank project so far from my point of view)

 

[Abingdonboy]

First of all man... Im right about the figures... only 119 Arjun MK-Is were ordered and 128 arjun mk-II were ordered which will start getting inducted from 2015 onwards... unless you can give me a source

The army has already ordered 248 Arjun Mark-I tanks for induction into its armored regiments. The first lot of 124 tanks, for which the orders were placed on the Avadi-based Heavy Vehicles Factory (HVF) have been handed over to the army.

India to make Arjun Mk-II tanks by 2014 | StratPost

.. also mk-I costed 16-17crore....while MK-II will cost 34 crore (according to broadsword.... dont know how reliable tht is).... i dont know if tht equals to 8 million dollars per unit.....and for your information FMBT it has been cancelled....as for the most expensive mbt on planet...even M1A2 costs no more than 4.25 to 6.2 million USDs depending on its variant! ... dont tell me tht its more advanced and expensive than Abrams tht USM uses?

Dude- did you even read what I wrote?

the IA back to an extent-~$8MN each which makes it possibly the most expensive tank on the planet. Unit costs will of course decrease with larger orders because of Economices of Scale.

Source: http://www.defence.pk/forums/indian-defence/4345-arjun-news-discussions-136.html#ixzz2TgOX5w8V

The Mk.2 is set to cost ~$8MN (the MK.1 cost ~$4-5MN ) a unit due to the addition of a lot of new (foreign) tech and advancements over and above the Mk.1.

India's Arjun (Lion) Mk II main battle tank will cost US$8.02 million per unit, defence minister AK Antony has told his nation's parliament.

http://www.defenceweb.co.za/index.p...most-expensive-tank-&catid=50:Land&Itemid=105

Like I said this is due to the relatively small order- 124 nos. initially as compared to the M1 Abrams that has been produced in the 1000s.


Look up Economies of Scale:

Economies of scale - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia



Wrt being more advanced than the M1- the MK.2 could well be on par with the Abrams for sure, if not marginally ahead, the MK.1 doesn't fare too badly against the M1A2 in pure specs:

.and for your information FMBT it has been cancelled.

Like I said, the FMBT has effectively morphed into the Arjun MK.3.



Since you like quoting Broadsword so much:

The indigenous project to build a Future Main Battle Tank (FMBT) is being quietly buried by the army. Instead, the army’s tank directorate has proposed keeping faith with the home grown Arjun tank, while incrementally improving it into the future backbone of the army’s strike forces.

Broadsword: Army proposes to scrap Future Main Battle Tank: instead build successive models of the Arjun

About phasing out T-90s which are still being inducted.. dude you still have t-55s,vijayantas and t-72s in service? and ur talkin abt phasing out your brand new t-90s?when they are to become your backbone.

I was talking about the FMBT/Arjun MK.3 replacing the T-90S and given the proposed timeline of roll-out for the MK.3 in 2020 this fits nicely with the T-90S' end of life (MBT's have around 20 years of "prime" service before they need to be retired or significantly upgraded).


The T-55s are out of Armoured corps service and thus out of combat roles- all the T-55s have now either been retired, put into storage or are serving the Indian Army combat engineers as mine-clearance vehicles:

The T-72s will be replaced by the T-90S and Arjuns (Mk.1 and 2) and will be out of service entirely by 2020.