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Arjun Mk II Tank Clears All Army Trials Service Next Year - SP's Land Forces

The Arjun Mk.II main battle tank has cleared all user trials with the Indian Army successfully and now awaits a maintenance evaluation by the Army and, crucially, a detailed evaluation by the Director General of Quality Assurance (DGQA). The Army has on order 118 tanks that will begin delivery once these two final evaluation processes are complete, likely by mid-2015. The Phase IV user trials demonstrated trench crossing and step climbing capabilities of the Mk.II tank starting in September 2014. Last year, dynamic trials of 120 mm penetration-cum-blast (PCB) ammunition for MBT Arjun Mk II were conducted successfully at PXE, Chandipur.
The Arjun Mk.II will conceivably begin entering service in 2016. With the already inducted fleet of 124 Arjun Mk.I tanks in two regiments in Rajasthan, the Army will be set to operate a total of four Arjun regiments. But the good news for the Arjun programme potentially ends right here. As SP's reported earlier, there are unlikely to be further orders for the Arjun tank of any type. The total number (242 tanks) on order is far from good news: The DRDO has said that any order below 500 tanks (in a mix of Mk.I and Mk.II) makes Project Arjun a dead loss. This is precisely what it is likely to be, which is why products based on the Arjun chassis (bridge-layer tank, self-propelled artillery) or Arjun turret (Tank-X) are being pushed too. But for the Arjun tank itself, the fresh order could be a death knell. The Army is keen that the DRDO focuses on a futuristic main battle tank. Of couse, this Army-DRDO conversation continues at a time when the very efficacy of armoured land force is being questioned at the macro war-fighting level in the region.

The Army has shown markedly more confidence in the Arjun Mk.II than it did in the original tank. At Defexpo last year, the Arjun Mk.II was on public display for the first time, following its participation in the Republic Day Parade. It underwent two more critical trial phases supervised by the Indian Army, pertaining to mobility in water (medium fording), mobility across obstacles, missile firing and fresh regular ammunition firing routines. These rounds were undertaken with during the summer months, with a handful of test points completed by November last year, with final reports being compiled and completed in January 2015. Full user trials began in May 2012. The Indian Army had indented for 124 of the Mk.2 for two tank regiments, but has now committed to inducting 118 tanks. The DRDO had been pushing for an order of at least 300 Arjun Mk.IIs to shore up the programme and speed up production at the Heavy Vehicles Factory adjoining the CVRDE in Avadi. It's almost certain that won't happen. The Army simply has no more armoured appetite for more tanks.

Sadly, the economics of the programme lie in tatters. In 2008, the DRDO wrote to the MoD saying, "The DRDO is working on the development of the futuristic Mark II MBT with suitable technological upgrades, which can be introduced later after completion of production of at least 500 tanks of the present version. DRDO has tacit knowledge in this area of Combat Vehicle Engineering and possesses full competence in developing futuristic combat vehicles. Any battle tank has a service life of 30 years and goes through technology up gradation progressively. Since MBT-Arjun is an indigenous tank it is all the more easier to bring upgrades and in our opinion the MBT-Arjun will be a viable platform for the futuristic use as well."

For the Army, its internal planning compulsions have weighed heavy. It has refused to comply with an additional order, given that its resources had been committed to purchasing more T-90S Bhishma tanks from Russia for license production at Avadi. What the DRDO has managed in the meanwhile is to meet the Army's requirements with the Arjun Mk.II. The tank now incorporates enhanced firepower with Automated Target Tracking and greater variety of ammunition including gun-fired anti-tank missile, thermobaric ammunition; enhanced protection that include Explosive Reactive Armor, laser warning and countermeasure System, a mine plough, a remotely operable anti-aircraft weapon, a roof mounted driving seat; advanced land navigation system and enhanced night vision capabilities. As things turn out, the main missile to be fired from the 120mm main gun may not be Israeli after all. Sources suggest a new weapon being developed at the ARDE may be the fit.

But for Project Arjun, the implications of the end of trials are greater. In 2008, the DRDO had also noted, "The major imported systems in the tank are the powerpack and gun control system from Germany and Delft-SAGEM gunner’s main sight from OIP Belgium. The percentage of import content is 60% in the first lot of 124 tanks to be productionised, which will be reduced to under 45% with the manufacture of first 200 tanks and under 30% with the manufacture of about 500 tanks." This indicates that the Arjun tank, ironically, remains largely a foreign product, both in terms of value as well as critical systems. This, despite the DRDO promising to totally turn the tables with greater order numbers.

Original problems with the Arjun Mk.I rose with the Mk.II too, though the capabilities of the new tank have silenced critics and test personnel. Weight was an issue with the Arjun Mk.II, significantly heavier than the Arjun Mk.I, though the DRDO has dispelled comparisons with the T-90S. "T-90S and MBT Arjun tanks are of different class. Both the tanks have their own special features. In MBT Arjun, we have more power to weight ratio, hydro-pneumatic suspension for better ride comfort and a stable platform to fire on the move, better quality class of Gun Control System and Fire Control System etc. Missile firing capability of Arjun was demonstrated. T-90S tank has missile firing capability and lower silhouette. Tanks of both the class are required by the Indian Army," the DRDO had said in 2008 during the big T-90S push.

On the DRDO's part, fighting for the programme will remain a priority, given the enormous skill investment it has taken to put the tank together and meet all of the Army's many demands. "Teething problems during the process of productionisation are inevitable. The process of TOT for the MBT will mature and stabilize only after 200 to 300 tanks have been actually produced by the production agency. Hence, we need to have patronage from the government and Army in terms of more orders for our indigenous MBT-Arjun. If the army does not place further orders for Arjun we cannot even amortize the infrastructural investments made by the government for its productionisation, thereby resulting in wasteful expenditure. The Army should place orders for additional 300 tanks before we can break even," said the DRDO six years ago in its most direct appeal to the government to intervene and force the Army to support the Arjun in a bigger manner. The DRDO believes Prime Minister Modi's 'Make in India' philosophy may help the Arjun programme get more aggressive orders from the customer, though the fact that the T-90S is license built in country goes against any perceived advantage in terms of economics. The DRDO still plans to revive its plans to push the Arjun project with the new government in order to amortize investment and perhaps allow for future versions of the tank.
 
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Arjun MK 2 will have more than 93 upgrades including the following:
  • Ability to fire Anti-tank missile through main gun.
  • Extra protection for crew through explosive reactive armor (ERA)
  • Thermal imaging system to scan and detect targets at night.
  • An automatic target tracking (ATT) system for pinpoint accuracy on moving targets.
  • Advanced Air defense gun.
  • Enhanced auxiliary power unit (APU) with a capability of 8.5 kw (compared to 4.5 kw of mk-1 version)
  • Mine Plough.
  • Advanced land navigation system.
  • Digital control harness.
  • Improved gun barrel with an Equivalent Firing Charge (strength of the barrel to sustained firing) of 500 rounds against T 72's 250 rounds.
  • Indigenous engine will replace the German engine of the 58-tonne Arjun Mark-I.
  • The integrated display system will have more capabilities.
  • Night sight of Arjun is developed by OIP senser systems of Belgium and SAGEM (France). Once spotted, target is electronically allocated to gunner for engagement and will enable the commander to search for other targets.
  • An un-cooled thermal imaging sight,developed by Instrument R&D located at Dehradun allows the driver to see upto 300-500 m. even on a pitch dark night.
  • Laser warning system developed by Elbit systems of Israel. It has the capability of 360 degree coverage and detects all types of incoming missiles.
 
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Arjun Mk II Tank Clears All Army Trials Service Next Year - SP's Land Forces

The Arjun Mk.II main battle tank has cleared all user trials with the Indian Army successfully and now awaits a maintenance evaluation by the Army and, crucially, a detailed evaluation by the Director General of Quality Assurance (DGQA). The Army has on order 118 tanks that will begin delivery once these two final evaluation processes are complete, likely by mid-2015. The Phase IV user trials demonstrated trench crossing and step climbing capabilities of the Mk.II tank starting in September 2014. Last year, dynamic trials of 120 mm penetration-cum-blast (PCB) ammunition for MBT Arjun Mk II were conducted successfully at PXE, Chandipur.
The Arjun Mk.II will conceivably begin entering service in 2016. With the already inducted fleet of 124 Arjun Mk.I tanks in two regiments in Rajasthan, the Army will be set to operate a total of four Arjun regiments. But the good news for the Arjun programme potentially ends right here. As SP's reported earlier, there are unlikely to be further orders for the Arjun tank of any type. The total number (242 tanks) on order is far from good news: The DRDO has said that any order below 500 tanks (in a mix of Mk.I and Mk.II) makes Project Arjun a dead loss. This is precisely what it is likely to be, which is why products based on the Arjun chassis (bridge-layer tank, self-propelled artillery) or Arjun turret (Tank-X) are being pushed too. But for the Arjun tank itself, the fresh order could be a death knell. The Army is keen that the DRDO focuses on a futuristic main battle tank. Of couse, this Army-DRDO conversation continues at a time when the very efficacy of armoured land force is being questioned at the macro war-fighting level in the region.

The Army has shown markedly more confidence in the Arjun Mk.II than it did in the original tank. At Defexpo last year, the Arjun Mk.II was on public display for the first time, following its participation in the Republic Day Parade. It underwent two more critical trial phases supervised by the Indian Army, pertaining to mobility in water (medium fording), mobility across obstacles, missile firing and fresh regular ammunition firing routines. These rounds were undertaken with during the summer months, with a handful of test points completed by November last year, with final reports being compiled and completed in January 2015. Full user trials began in May 2012. The Indian Army had indented for 124 of the Mk.2 for two tank regiments, but has now committed to inducting 118 tanks. The DRDO had been pushing for an order of at least 300 Arjun Mk.IIs to shore up the programme and speed up production at the Heavy Vehicles Factory adjoining the CVRDE in Avadi. It's almost certain that won't happen. The Army simply has no more armoured appetite for more tanks.

Sadly, the economics of the programme lie in tatters. In 2008, the DRDO wrote to the MoD saying, "The DRDO is working on the development of the futuristic Mark II MBT with suitable technological upgrades, which can be introduced later after completion of production of at least 500 tanks of the present version. DRDO has tacit knowledge in this area of Combat Vehicle Engineering and possesses full competence in developing futuristic combat vehicles. Any battle tank has a service life of 30 years and goes through technology up gradation progressively. Since MBT-Arjun is an indigenous tank it is all the more easier to bring upgrades and in our opinion the MBT-Arjun will be a viable platform for the futuristic use as well."

For the Army, its internal planning compulsions have weighed heavy. It has refused to comply with an additional order, given that its resources had been committed to purchasing more T-90S Bhishma tanks from Russia for license production at Avadi. What the DRDO has managed in the meanwhile is to meet the Army's requirements with the Arjun Mk.II. The tank now incorporates enhanced firepower with Automated Target Tracking and greater variety of ammunition including gun-fired anti-tank missile, thermobaric ammunition; enhanced protection that include Explosive Reactive Armor, laser warning and countermeasure System, a mine plough, a remotely operable anti-aircraft weapon, a roof mounted driving seat; advanced land navigation system and enhanced night vision capabilities. As things turn out, the main missile to be fired from the 120mm main gun may not be Israeli after all. Sources suggest a new weapon being developed at the ARDE may be the fit.

But for Project Arjun, the implications of the end of trials are greater. In 2008, the DRDO had also noted, "The major imported systems in the tank are the powerpack and gun control system from Germany and Delft-SAGEM gunner’s main sight from OIP Belgium. The percentage of import content is 60% in the first lot of 124 tanks to be productionised, which will be reduced to under 45% with the manufacture of first 200 tanks and under 30% with the manufacture of about 500 tanks." This indicates that the Arjun tank, ironically, remains largely a foreign product, both in terms of value as well as critical systems. This, despite the DRDO promising to totally turn the tables with greater order numbers.

Original problems with the Arjun Mk.I rose with the Mk.II too, though the capabilities of the new tank have silenced critics and test personnel. Weight was an issue with the Arjun Mk.II, significantly heavier than the Arjun Mk.I, though the DRDO has dispelled comparisons with the T-90S. "T-90S and MBT Arjun tanks are of different class. Both the tanks have their own special features. In MBT Arjun, we have more power to weight ratio, hydro-pneumatic suspension for better ride comfort and a stable platform to fire on the move, better quality class of Gun Control System and Fire Control System etc. Missile firing capability of Arjun was demonstrated. T-90S tank has missile firing capability and lower silhouette. Tanks of both the class are required by the Indian Army," the DRDO had said in 2008 during the big T-90S push.

On the DRDO's part, fighting for the programme will remain a priority, given the enormous skill investment it has taken to put the tank together and meet all of the Army's many demands. "Teething problems during the process of productionisation are inevitable. The process of TOT for the MBT will mature and stabilize only after 200 to 300 tanks have been actually produced by the production agency. Hence, we need to have patronage from the government and Army in terms of more orders for our indigenous MBT-Arjun. If the army does not place further orders for Arjun we cannot even amortize the infrastructural investments made by the government for its productionisation, thereby resulting in wasteful expenditure. The Army should place orders for additional 300 tanks before we can break even," said the DRDO six years ago in its most direct appeal to the government to intervene and force the Army to support the Arjun in a bigger manner. The DRDO believes Prime Minister Modi's 'Make in India' philosophy may help the Arjun programme get more aggressive orders from the customer, though the fact that the T-90S is license built in country goes against any perceived advantage in terms of economics. The DRDO still plans to revive its plans to push the Arjun project with the new government in order to amortize investment and perhaps allow for future versions of the tank.

The defense minister must push the army to buy more Arjuns,priority should be given to development of Home Industry

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Arjun MK 2 will have more than 93 upgrades including the following:
  • Ability to fire Anti-tank missile through main gun.
  • Extra protection for crew through explosive reactive armor (ERA)
  • Thermal imaging system to scan and detect targets at night.
  • An automatic target tracking (ATT) system for pinpoint accuracy on moving targets.
  • Advanced Air defense gun.
  • Enhanced auxiliary power unit (APU) with a capability of 8.5 kw (compared to 4.5 kw of mk-1 version)
  • Mine Plough.
  • Advanced land navigation system.
  • Digital control harness.
  • Improved gun barrel with an Equivalent Firing Charge (strength of the barrel to sustained firing) of 500 rounds against T 72's 250 rounds.
  • Indigenous engine will replace the German engine of the 58-tonne Arjun Mark-I.
  • The integrated display system will have more capabilities.
  • Night sight of Arjun is developed by OIP senser systems of Belgium and SAGEM (France). Once spotted, target is electronically allocated to gunner for engagement and will enable the commander to search for other targets.
  • An "un-cooled thermal imaging sight,developed by Instrument R&D located at Dehradun allows the driver to see upto 300-500 m. even on a pitch dark night.
  • Laser warning system developed by Elbit systems of Israel. It has the capability of 360 degree coverage and detects all types of incoming missiles.

Srsly army needs to stop this love of Foreign maal
 
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The defense minister must push the army to buy more Arjuns,priority should be given to development of Home Industry



Srsly army needs to stop this love of Foreign maal
army ko foreign maal pasand hae,,,sath me kuch comission bhi...
aur idhar chai biskut se hi fursat nahi,,,
 
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The defense minister must push the army to buy more Arjuns,priority should be given to development of Home Industry

Only for operational reasons related to the security of the country, BUT NOT to get the cost overruns of DRDO in control again. That's their problem and not IA's, which have to look at their own deployment policies and tactics, which then lead to the decision to buy more or not. MoD should not interfere with IA's operational policies.
 
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Only 118 that tells a lot

That's just a start.... Being an Elite member you have to know the how MoD purchases weapons. We always buy some first and if it perform well go for more
 
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Should gift some T72s to Afghanistan and replce it with Arjun.
 
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The defense minister must push the army to buy more Arjuns,priority should be given to development of Home Industry

Srsly army needs to stop this love of Foreign maal
But even the US of A does it! Check out the F-35 which has 28 sub contractors all over the world! Why? Because it's too expensive to have 100% indigenization. During the cold war, the Soviet Union even imported oil filters for its TATRA trucks from the US!!

No weapon system is 100% indigenous. It's like re-inventing the wheel when one can buy components off the shelf at half the cost and time. The only few exceptions are platforms like the F-22 which has top secret technology of Black Projects like Lockheed Martin's Skunk Works and Boeing's Phantom Works.

As an example, look at what India is providing to Boeing......

Boeing is working with India’s premier software development companies - including HCL, Infosys, Wipro and Tata Consultancy Services (TCS) — on many information technology projects, including systems reengineering and development, and software for its Boeing aircraft.

HAL is the single-source producer of 757 overwing exit doors. HAL manufactures the 777 gear uplock box, 777 flaperons, F/A-18 gun bay doors, F/A-18 wire harnesses, AWACS P-8 weapons bay doors, P-8 tailcones, and P-8 identification friend or foe transponders.

BEL has also delivered the identification friend or foe interrogator, a battle management system that will enable P-8I aircraft to distinguish friendly aircraft and forces. BEL is also on contract to provide F/A-18 flight decks.

Maini and TAL Manufacturing Solutions are on contract to provide C-17 Ground Support Equipment. In 2011, Hyderabad-based Infotech Enterprises, which provides engineering solutions, was one among 16 global suppliers honored by Boeing as a Supplier of the Year winner.

Infotech has supported a number a significant and critical Boeing Commercial Airplanes projects, currently providing design and stress support on the 747-8 Freighter and Intercontinental 787-8 and 787-9.

So it's not just India that is equipping its weapon platforms with some outsourced components, but Super Power America too!
 
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Only 118 that tells a lot

That tells nothing except we got one of the best tanks in the world.

On topic :So Arjun tank is successful and Project Arjun is finished successfully.
On problem.now we can see here is the expense.Due to the small order.I hope govt will do something about it.
 
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