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Man are u serious??
Its called "Roza-lagna"
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Man are u serious??
I have to agree with Windjammer. Indeed already tested and it is openly said that we copied their pilot interface. Besides that you do not want to have it. It is not that cheap (South Africa has parked it) and others have lease construction. Do you really want US engine and lots of UK parts? I think it is a bigger risk then buying something French, Chinese. Russian, US so what makes you trust Saab? Even then we have to look how onesided their policy is. They offered NG to India but do not want to sell us "offensive" weapons. Hypocrisy... Don't buy it. Copy it.
And indeed our block3 is probably Gripen NG level. So why throwing away cash? I do not think we would get all the weapons to put on Gripen....
Did they really "test it" or where some senior PAF brass given a superficial tour of a FrAF Rafale?I don't know why PAF is not opting for JAS Griphen or dassault Rafales, but PAF had tested Rafales, I don't know why they left it out.
Did they really "test it" or where some senior PAF brass given a superficial tour of a FrAF Rafale?
Yes, I very much doubt that SAAB would get permission to sell to Pakistan.
Just too much chaos and internal fights, so since 2007, only follow-on orders
to existing orders are allowed.
As I thought. Doesn't amount to a through evaluation of the planes strengths and weaknesses especially not the post-production versions.Had a couple of sorties in it. This was back in the late 90's/Early 2000s. Remember, back then the aircraft was the pre-production versions which were then being showed off to various Aviation journals with Rafale B1 version
As I thought. Doesn't amount to a through evaluation of the planes strengths and weaknesses especially not the post-production versions.
I simply was addressing @tarrar 's statement that the PAF "tested" the Rafale when in reality the PAF did nothing of the sort. But to answer his question the reason the PAF didn't pursue this plane any further was almost certainly down to budgetary considerations.
Back in the late 90s/ early 00s the PAF was in a far better position than the IAF in terms of capital acquisition funds so you are no doubt correct the PAF had a serious look at the Rafale, a shame really for them that for one reason or another nothing really was made of this relatively strong finical position and that over time this was eroded to the point that when there are no longer any funds to buy the PAF is now seriously wanting to.When I mention a couple of sorties, I mention a through briefing on the type.. in both technical terms and future developments. Again, the PAF was much more interested in the Rafale than the IAF back then. The earlier M2K saga had left a bad taste for both parties and were keen to progress on earlier defence deals. But yes, in plain terms.. the French had much more leverage to try and fleece Pakistan on the system than they had with the MMRCA.
Back in the late 90s/ early 00s the PAF was in a far better position than the IAF in terms of capital acquisition funds so you are no doubt correct the PAF had a serious look at the Rafale, a shame really for them that for one reason or another nothing really was made of this relatively strong finical position and that over time this was eroded to the point that when there are no longer any funds to buy the PAF is now seriously wanting to.
The news of Pakistan acquiring Grippens was pretty hot a decade earlier while the F-16s were under embargo, i believe the PAF even tested it but once the F-16s became available, the idea was dropped, though capable aircraft but no where near the Block-52 class.
Gripens for Pakistan ?
Had a couple of sorties in it. This was back in the late 90's/Early 2000s. Remember, back then the aircraft was the pre-production versions which were then being showed off to various Aviation journals with Rafale B1 version
This whole tale of JAS-39 vs the JF-17 is superfluous. There was NEVER any competition between the two since the JF-17 was going to be there come hell or high water. The Gripen was considered by the PAF back in 2003 when the economy was booming the the first "elections" had taken place, the Swedish government had agreed on the Erieye in Principal and the PAF was now looking for its next important need which was the new strike fighter. The Gripen was considered but as such the version available then(C/D) was essentially still an air-defence fighter which the PAF already had enough of. The Mirage-2000 was the wish to have since the PAF was wary of the F-16 due to the sanctions bit, however as things turned out the F-16 was ordered anyway.
If anything , it should be "arguments of choosing the F-16-block-52 over Gripen"