Are TURKEY and PAKISTAN really ALLIES?

[Beast]

 

[Avicenna]

BRB.....grabbing my popcorn for this thread.....

 

[ARMalik]

Before everyone jumps up and down, remember this video is someone's PERSONAL OPINION and NOT Gospel truth.

 

[Titanium100]

Another pointless opinion of another irrelevant peasant

 

[Hakikat ve Hikmet]

According to the Turkish defense analyst Mete Yarar, Turkey-Pakistan relationship is hidden in the "Historical Code"!!! The folks, who are supporting Turkey now, are the grandkids of the folks who supported Turkey 100 years ago....

Some stuffs simply never change....

 

[Dark1]

The video is misleading. Turkey is firmly with Pakistan. And its not a recent phenomenon but from the 50s. After the chinese , Turkey is the 2nd all weather supporter of Pakistan.
The Greece India nexus is just conjecture, not really the reality.
From a Indian viewpoint, Turkey is more harmful militarily for India, as it has had direct access to the best NATO armaments and training for decades. China is still copying Russian stuff , and is unproven. Until Erdogan screwed up , Turkey was going to get f35s , the ultimate stealth plane. It could have provided Pakistan valuable insight into 21st century cutting edge technology.

 

[IblinI]

and is unproven

We should all pray that we would not see that day, because it would be dead serious the next time when China mobilise.

 

[Ultima Thule]

China is still copying Russian stuff , and is unproven.

China also have western military tech but it is not latest but china develop further these military tech according to their needs, you're (India) also using various Military tech From Russia, which doesn't its useless or junk

Turkey was going to get f35s , the ultimate stealth plane. It could have provided Pakistan valuable insight into 21st century cutting edge technology.

No they are not getting F-35 from USA, Because S-400 purchase

 

[himate]

Turkey and pakistan relationship is deep and secret militarily. Turkey has access to all strategic secret stuff and vice versa. Its never made public. Why else do you think erdogan would recently accept invitation and visit imran khan in the midst of war in syia?

Also turkey prefers investing all into the tfx instead of purchasing f35 and its not for only the s400 reason.

 

[IblinI]

China also have western military tech but it is not latest but china develop further these military tech according to their needs, you're (India) also using various Military tech From Russia, which doesn't its useless or junk

No they are not getting F-35 from USA, Because S-400 purchase

Most of our hardware comes from State owend company which they are not as active as their western counterpart on advertising the products due to the state policy, thus people only got to know its existence after they enter service, some could be reavaled after years.
For example, despite closing to its madien flight, people still don't have much idea about the country's next generation strategic stealth bomber.

 

[Yankee-stani]

Turkey and Pakistan do have deep relationship no doubt but both have a common history of being foot soilders of Washington during the Cold War tho Turkey has benefited more in terms of economy and defense industry wise more so than Pakistan has had with Washington.In terms of culture both are Muslim but I would say the mindset of Turks and Pakistanis are much different plus Pakistanis tend to personalize foreign relations with other countries in a way that's cringey at best like claiming we are "brothers" with Turks,Saudis or Heck the Chinese or to some folks clamoring for Iran.Turkey is great trading and military partner but it does not mean we have to side with them on everything like their policies towards their Middle Eastern and Balkan neighbors,the crisis in Syria and Libya or liking "Erdogan" same goes with China regarding certain ethnic policies in western China or the South China sea

Before everyone jumps up and down, remember this video is someone's PERSONAL OPINION and NOT Gospel truth.

Granted it's always good to hear people who can break the usual brotherhood bs tropes and dissect its and bits of reality

According to the Turkish defense analyst Mete Yarar, Turkey-Pakistan relationship is hidden in the "Historical Code"!!! The folks, who are supporting Turkey now, are the grandkids of the folks who supported Turkey 100 years ago....

Some stuffs simply never change....

Dude you are bot,I am sorry to say I sorta like you but there isnt that much of a big deal with Turkey and Pakistan great allies yes but much of the discussion surrounding relations with other nations in the Pakistani mind is who is brother or friend when we know in real life there is no true friend or brother in geo politics and foreign policy

 

[Kaniska]

Ally is one of the highly misused word in foreign relations...If any one want to know who is the ally of which country then first find out the need of each country for each other...If your need and long term objective allign which benifit nations with economic prosperity then they can be allies..

Just ask one simple question...During last year financial crisis, Pakistan has to go for IMF for around 15-20 Billion dollar loan?...Why the heck the these so called rich and powerful muslim allies can not arrange 20 billion with zero interest for Pakistan that could have changed the dynamics of Pakistan economy...Is 20 billion is too much for Arabs, Turks and so called allies of Pakistan to arrange it???

My broader intent is here not to point figures with Pakistan realation with Islamic countries rather showing the actual scenario where it is bloody Non Muslim countries like West and China stood with Pakistan in crucial times....

The only easy things that are done by Muslim nations to be an ally of Pakistan is to criticize India and Israel and get the high table in relationships with Pakistan...Because these loose talk and criticizing India do not really cost any money but helping Pakistan financially cost money..

This is the reality of Turkey and so called othet nationa who are brothers of Pakistan...
I have seen the exact same feeling by Pakistan for Gulf nationa in 1990-2010...Now Arabs are replaced by new friends...

 

[Yankee-stani]

Ally is one of the highly misused word in foreign relations...If any one want to know who is the ally of which country then first find out the need of each country for each other...If your need and long term objective allign which benifit nations with economic prosperity then they can be allies..

Just ask one simple question...During last year financial crisis, Pakistan has to go for IMF for around 15-20 Billion dollar loan?...Why the heck the these so called rich and powerful allies arrange 20 billion with zero interest for Pakistan that could have changed the dynamics of Pakistan economy...Is 20 billion is too much for Arabs, Turks and so called allies of Pakistan to arrange it???

My broader intent is here not to point figures with Pakistan realation with Islamic countries rather showing the actual scenario where it is bloody Non Muslim countries like West and China stood with Pakistan in crucial times....

The only easy things that are done by Muslim nations to be an ally of Pakistan is to criticize India and Israel and get the high table in relationships with Pakistan...Because these loose talk and criticizing India do not really cost any money but helping Pakistan financially cost money..

This is the reality of Turkey and so called othet nationa who are brothers of Pakistan...
I have seen the exact same feeling by Pakistan for Gulf nationa in 1990-2010...Now Arabs are replaced by new friends...

Normally I would not quote an Indian or like their posts but you excellently hit the bullietpoints you see back in the 2000s asides a few visits from Turkish leaders Turkey was once considered way too distant tho there was those shitty dosti songs about Pak-Turk Friendship or Pro-China friendship,Turkey was just some liberal Muslim country and it was common back then to hear people crap on Ataturk and his reforms but that all changed once the Turkish TV shows started airing on local tv and The whole Mavi Marmara incident in 2010

 

[Kaniska]

Normally I would not quote an Indian or like their posts but you excellently hit the bullietpoints you see back in the 2000s asides a few visits from Turkish leaders Turkey was once considered way too distant tho there was those shitty dosti songs about Pak-Turk Friendship or Pro-China friendship,Turkey was just some liberal Muslim country and it was common back then to hear people crap on Ataturk and his reforms but that all changed once the Turkish TV shows started airing on local tv and The whole Mavi Marmara incident in 2010

In general, people of Pakistan are affectionate and emotional people..IndonPak rivallary impacts a lot on the mindset of ur foreign policy makers...And other Muslim nations just use it to gain support for your govt...Again, it is nothinh wrong to be close to Turkey or Other Muslim nations but do not get into their politics just because they said few things against India...

Apart from China, every one just pay lip service to you.

 

[Awan68]

One of the three countries that firmly stood by us against India on Kashmir?, yeah turks are probably the only true allies we have, even with China its strategic and economical yet with the Turks, its emotional, its real....