Are TURKEY and PAKISTAN really ALLIES?

[Yankee-stani]

In general, people of Pakistan are affectionate and emotional people..IndonPak rivallary impacts a lot on the mindset of ur foreign policy makers...And other Muslim nations just use it to gain support for your govt...Again, it is nothinh wrong to be close to Turkey or Other Muslim nations but do not get into their politics just because they said few things against India...

Apart from China, every one just pay lip service to you.

Likewise I think Indians also are emotional people as well many tend to view Moscow as their best friend and reminisce the Soviet era alliances too and to the Indian right wing America and Trump especially now again people of South Asia have been treated with disdain for so long so when a Foreign Leader or nation says nice things about anything or gives diplomatic lip service messages people muck it up as major support this mentality needs to end and there needs to be a mature understanding of how international relations work

One of the threecountries that firmly stood by us against India on Kashmir?, yeah turks are probably the only true allies we have, even with China its strategic and economical yet with the Turks, its emotional, its real....

Its the same with Turks there is nothing emotional about our relations with Ankara if you want to think that way you should thank Uncle Sam for pairing the both together when setting up the Baghdad Pact or CENTO during the cold war the foundational ideology of the Turkish state is Kemalists Secularism while Pakistan is "Islamic Republicanism"

 

[jericho]

Just ask one simple question...During last year financial crisis, Pakistan has to go for IMF for around 15-20 Billion dollar loan?...Why the heck the these so called rich and powerful muslim allies can not arrange 20 billion with zero interest for Pakistan that could have changed the dynamics of Pakistan economy...Is 20 billion is too much for Arabs, Turks and so called allies of Pakistan to arrange it???

Where are you getting your information from? The loan from IMF was 6 billion, not 15-20 billion. And the amount was 6 billion because the government managed to secure assistance from friendly countries which included, UAE, Saudi and China. In another financial assistance case, Turkey Malaysia and China thwarted India's lobbying effort in FATF to blacklist Pakistan which would have bankrupted the country. I can understand that not all relations are perfect and if someone wants to question countries relations based on facts then I don't have problem, but there is a lot of wrong in your post here.

 

[Kaniska]

Likewise I think Indians also are emotional people as well many tend to view Moscow as their best friend and reminisce the Soviet era alliances too and to the Indian right wing America and Trump especially now again people of South Asia have been treated with disdain for so long so when a Foreign Leader or nation says nice things about anything or gives diplomatic lip service messages people muck it up as major support this mentality needs to end and there needs to be a mature understanding of how international relations work

Spot on...Forget about politics and rivalry, if any people will really cry in their heart when any Indian/BD/Pakistan people die or something drastically happens to us, it is the bloody same we people...who will cry for each other....This is damn truth.....We might fight, argue endlessly and ready to kill each other....but we can not be those savage people the scene in Syria/Middle East where people are just killing each other like animals....Has anyone in India and Pakistan thought, why in spite of so many wars, and India and Pakistan capturing so many soldiers of each other, we do not have such history of brutality for our soldiers? Why even if Abhinandan was caught in war and still then your generals treated with nicely? Same thing with the case of Indian with Pakistan people?? Because, as an people, we still feel for each other.....I may sound poetic here...but it is a fact that if at person to person level, any one can ever truely feel for Pakistan, there will be enough Indian( Hindus too) people here who will cry for you for any thing bad happens with you or your people....We might love to fight and argue with you for ever...but we will never allow any of our Politician to do something for people of Pakistan for which we will be ashamed of ourselves...

Where are you getting your information from? The loan from IMF was 6 billion, not 15-20 billion. And the amount was 6 billion because the government managed to secure assistance from friendly countries which included, UAE, Saudi and China. In another financial assistance case, Turkey Malaysia and China thwarted India's lobbying effort in FATF to blacklist Pakistan which would have bankrupted the country. I can understand that not all relations are perfect and if someone wants to question countries relations based on facts then I don't have problem, but there is a lot of wrong in your post here.

Dude...India is evil...period...This is exactly my point, are you framing your foreign policy or brotherhood by looking at who is criticizing India or who will give any tangible material benifit to Pakistan??? Why FATF is such a big deal with you...Pakistan was in FATF earlier...Your economic problem is not going to go away just because FATF is lifted...

Now, my point is more valid too....So your so called Muslim friends can not arrange 6 Billion interest free loan for you? Forget about loan, why can not the order to import good from Pakistan that will provide material benifit to Pakistan in terms of export while that may cost some extra cost to those Turkey and other nations? Are you really saying Turkey and your Arab friends can not provide 6 billion support to you?

 

[Kompromat]

This Kasim Javed is just another ignorant YouTuber.

 

[Yankee-stani]

This Kasim Javed is just another ignorant YouTuber.

How is he ignorant when he is questioning the typical tropes presented as foreign policy to Pakistanis by their government

 

[Dark1]

Spot on...Forget about politics and rivalry, if any people will really cry in their heart when any Indian/BD/Pakistan people die or something drastically happens to us, it is the bloody same we people...who will cry for each other....This is damn truth.....We might fight, argue endlessly and ready to kill each other....but we can not be those savage people the scene in Syria/Middle East where people are just killing each other like animals....Has anyone in India and Pakistan thought, why in spite of so many wars, and India and Pakistan capturing so many soldiers of each other, we do not have such history of brutality for our soldiers? Why even if Abhinandan was caught in war and still then your generals treated with nicely? Same thing with the case of Indian with Pakistan people?? Because, as an people, we still feel for each other.....I may sound poetic here...but it is a fact that if at person to person level, any one can ever truely feel for Pakistan, there will be enough Indian( Hindus too) people here who will cry for you for any thing bad happens with you or your people....We might love to fight and argue with you for ever...but we will never allow any of our Politician to do something for people of Pakistan for which we will be ashamed of ourselves...

Treatment of POWs was ok till the early 90s , but the rise of fundamentalism in Pakistan, led to change in behavior towards POWs.
The treatment of Capt kalia during kargil was a case in point. Cases of beheading of captured soldiers became a show of valor and old military practices like not bombing each others civilian centers during wartime became redundant. This also effected Pakistani soldiers in their conflict zones where their soldiers were beheaded by militants.

 

[Kaniska]

Treatment of POWs was ok till the early 90s , but the rise of fundamentalism in Pakistan, led to change in behavior towards POWs.
The treatment of Capt kalia during kargil was a case in point. Cases of beheading of captured soldiers became a show of valor and old military practices like not bombing each others civilian centers during wartime became redundant. This also effected Pakistani soldiers in their conflict zones where their soldiers were beheaded by militants.

Trust me, if you follow war news from Middle East, Syria, Libya, Afganistan then India and Pakistan soldiers will be seen like angels to each other..

 

[beijingwalker]

One of the three countries that firmly stood by us against India on Kashmir?, yeah turks are probably the only true allies we have, even with China its strategic and economical yet with the Turks, its emotional, its real....

China is actively involved in the development of Pakistan's financial, infrastructure, military and nuclear programs, China's partnership with Pakistan is very concrete and tangible in almost all sectors all across board, Turkey's brotherhood with Pakistan is largely emotional and ceremonial.
If Pakistan has to make a choice between China and Turkey, pakistani people will choose Turkey instantly, Pakistani government, no matter which party in office, will choose China without a second thought.

 

[Dark1]

We should all pray that we would not see that day, because it would be dead serious the next time when China mobilise.

Countries that have avoided conflict after ww2 have done well , like Germany and Japan. China also avoided conflict from the 70s till now, the transformative years for their economy.
No one can stop china from indulging in wasteful wars , which divert resources and discourage investment/tourism.

 

[jericho]

Dude...India is evil...period...This is exactly my point, are you framing your foreign policy or brotherhood by looking at who is criticizing India or who will give any tangible material benifit to Pakistan??? Why FATF is such a big deal with you...Pakistan was in FATF earlier...Your economic problem is not going to go away just because FATF is lifted...

Now, my point is more valid too....So your so called Muslim friends can not arrange 6 Billion interest free loan for you? Forget about loan, why can not the order to import good from Pakistan that will provide material benifit to Pakistan in terms of export while that may cost some extra cost to those Turkey and other nations? Are you really saying Turkey and your Arab friends can not provide 6 billion support to you?

I like how you are trying to show concern about our foreign policy after posting so many factual errors about our relations with other countries in your previous post

 

[Dark1]

Trust me, if you follow war news from Middle East, Syria, Libya, Afganistan then India and Pakistan soldiers will be seen like angels to each other..

Why compare to the worst ? Let's chose better examples to follow.

 

[Pakistan Ka Beta]

Pakistan is proud of its friendship with China and Turkey .

 

[adelphi]

Treatment of POWs was ok till the early 90s , but the rise of fundamentalism in Pakistan, led to change in behavior towards POWs.
The treatment of Capt kalia during kargil was a case in point. Cases of beheading of captured soldiers became a show of valor and old military practices like not bombing each others civilian centers during wartime became redundant. This also effected Pakistani soldiers in their conflict zones where their soldiers were beheaded by militants.

What makes you think that Indians are saint?? In fact it was Indian Army who started beheading civilians in cross border raids in Azad Kashmir. There is a reason why Mast Gul was considered as hero during Charar e Sharif siege. Indian should be ashamed of such coward Army who does that to civilians.

 

[TNT]

The title is kind of misleading, the video only talks about growing relations between the two, especially defence related cooperation.

In general, people of Pakistan are affectionate and emotional people..IndonPak rivallary impacts a lot on the mindset of ur foreign policy makers...And other Muslim nations just use it to gain support for your govt...Again, it is nothinh wrong to be close to Turkey or Other Muslim nations but do not get into their politics just because they said few things against India...

Apart from China, every one just pay lip service to you.

The thing with u indians is that u think we behave like u do, thats not true. Its india who hugs any moron that says something against Pakistan, see how afghannpuppets have milked u by talking tough against Pakistan. India will also hate anyone that supports Pakistan, eg is malaysia recently, so its india that has ita foreign policy circulating Pakistan and not the other way round.
Its india who get fooled by US after few words. Pakistan allies have always been firm, we have had support from eveey ally in wars against india. We have got missile technology from allkes, nuclear technology from allies, ICBMs, MIRV, soon hyoersonics. What else can alliea do. We have also recieved huge financial assistance from allies, so how can u say its just lip service? Our military relations are really deep, from srilanka to south africa, to Turkey , azerbaijan, we have carved useful relations. We have also helped our allies in wars, like Afghanistan, bosnia, srilanka, arab israel wars. So i think ur plainly wrong and have no idea about Pakistan.

Just ask one simple question...During last year financial crisis, Pakistan has to go for IMF for around 15-20 Billion dollar loan?...Why the heck the these so called rich and powerful muslim allies can not arrange 20 billion with zero interest for Pakistan that could have changed the dynamics of Pakistan economy...Is 20 billion is too much for Arabs, Turks and so called allies of Pakistan to arrange it???

See here u r immature and illinformed. 20 billion is no issue for any of those countries but all that has international repercussions and political outcomes. Pakistan have always had free oil and other support from GCC. They even helped fund our nukes. We went to IMF for 6 billion dollars, though we needed 20, why? Many of such financial deals are hidden, as it can invite scrutiny and IMF and WB sanctions. Pakistan likes to keep its relations and cards hidden, unlike india which dances to every tune.

 

[CriticalThinker02]

According to the Turkish defense analyst Mete Yarar, Turkey-Pakistan relationship is hidden in the "Historical Code"!!! The folks, who are supporting Turkey now, are the grandkids of the folks who supported Turkey 100 years ago....

Some stuffs simply never change....

Anyone who analyze Pakistan and Turkey relations without the historical context or more yet born into the said historical context is deaf, dumb and blind and will never fully understand the nature of the said relationship.