Are they serious? Is Pakistan really blaming India for Peshawar massacre

[punit]

wish you were right. but if you see some pictures of what your Mukti Bahani agents did during and after the 71 war then you might reconsider because your Pardhan Muntri Ji in his last speech to bangladehsis admitted that Indian soldiers were shoulder to shoulder with their Mukti Bahani terrorists. and i am not even talking about the massacre of people migrating to Pakistan during Partition and how their bodies were mutilated without any distinction of age or gender.

we as human are very much capable of doing horrid things to each other no matter what is our race, religion or nationality

sir! do u really believe that massacre during partition period was really that one sided ?

 

[Pulsar]

Pakistan's running out of options seeing that they are clutching at straws to try and blame everything on India!

Really, really pathetic!!

 

[GURU DUTT]

here is a new angle

Sipah tribe of Khyber agency was responsible for APS massacre

 

[Pulsar]

There is nothing wrong in Accusing India for every attack in Pakistan.......... It can serve the following purpose....

1) The actual culprits can keep planning attacks in Pakistan without fear of getting caught
2) The in-capabilities of security agencies can be masked by blaming India

That's the point! This way no one bells the cat! No heads roll in Pakistan for gross incompetence. Blame India for everything and get away with it. It's convenient as hell!

No wonder Pakistan is going deeper into the rabbit hole (as someone else mentioned earlier). Falsehoods, denials, blame and mudslinging. That's Pakistan's foreign policy in a nut shell, toward India and Afghanistan!

If Indian support of TTP is evident, what makes you think on Peshawar they are not involved. Once you aid a fire, what ever it burns is on you.

Stupid argument! If we support Palestine, does that mean we are responsible for the abduction of the Israelis in Gaza by the Hamas? Use your brains for once. It's making you look idiotic.

 

[Gandhi follower]

What happened in USA.. Didn't they provide evidences during strategic dialogues with them which they were boasting about ? Rahil shareef recently sail that APS killers have been killed... Revealed their identity. I must say they are very shameless

 

[airmarshal]

But will Pakistan actually share the evidence?

Going by the India appeasement policy of our dumb PM Sharif, it looks highly unlikely.

Read the news is Dawn today Obama inviting Sharif to back him up on India appeasement and capitulation policy.

No wonder India fires at our civilians in Sialkot and Kashmir and PM Sharif sends mangoes to Modi.

 

[MAJESTICAL]

Im not sure if we should blame India for the Peshawar Massacre...but every one knows India's involvement in funding and supporting of terrorists group in Pakistan...

 

[ranjeet]

I was just wondering if an attack of the magnitude of APS had occurred in India.

Had Indian Military, after the attack put India under Undeclared 'Martial Law'.

Wouldn't every Pakistani be blaming Indian agencies for 'staging' such attack to gain control over civil government

not a right analogy.

 

[Shamain]

I don't think anybody on this forum is saying that India was behind the massacre of APS, this is just Pakistan giving India a taste of its own medicine on diplomatic level.

n.

I am saying, ihave always said that, that india was behind the massaccre.

We are not talking about BLA here..... Are we?????




Well That is what citizens are doing.... I was talking about the security agencies, who try to mask it by blaming it on India....

I was talking abt security agencies not citizens, that even if agencies are trying to do this to mask something ; whether in real its india behind the massaccare or not , their incompetence in Aps massaccre still can not be hidden.

The question is how many did listen to what doval said, and understood it...... He said we are doing nothing, and we should start doing.......

The doval guy has a vast experienceof working with indian state for security analysis,insurgency handling, spying purposes and is also famously known as an indian spy etc. In short, he isnt someone who would make statements without doing proper homework and plans laid out. He shared his thoughts on how to protect indian muslim youth from joining insurgency. Certainly a good thought was given to that to save indians from backfire effect.
He even knew very wel that ttp are mercenaries......now this is the point to note...that all the indians say that ttp is pakistan raised org who turned back on pakistani state. Now doval said these ttp terrorists are mercenaries. Mercenaries! If they are mercenaries then whose mercenaries are they?? And how does doval know they are mercenaries? And how come he said something which totally clashes with indias narrative of ttp and taliban wrt pakistan .

Isnt it interesting to note that, tht some senior indian security official and head of a gov institution is making this statement. Then he also said that if someone is paying them 12 hundred or something crore we will pay mercenaries 1800 crore and buy them.....! How does he know they can be bought for higher price. Seemingly in touch with the outfit.

What is more interesring is that ,that hate filled lecture was delivered at a college,educational institute. And indians blame pakistanis for hatred and all.

@Sage did u read this thread

 

[nForce]

Im not sure if we should blame India for the Peshawar Massacre...but every one knows India's involvement in funding and supporting of terrorists group in Pakistan...

That's the thing..Everyone in your country knows and he has heard it from someone else who was told by someone else, or the media.

There is no evidence supporting the claim. Just yet another conspiracy theory, propagated to counter India's claim.

 

[Icarus]

It is only a temporary phase ..mark my words ..terrorism will rise again from dead like a phoenix....the fanaticism,blind following of mullahs,rivalry between various sects ,illegal trading of weapons are all good sources for terrorism..until those issue are addressed,terrorism isn't going anywhere.

All very pertinent points, I am in complete agreement that these issues need to be addressed at length to ensure that the results of this military campaign are permanent and the government has been trying to ensure that many of these issues are addressed.

1. Action against hate speech and literature.
2. Computerization of weapon licenses and elimination of licenses with weaker case for possession.

Among other steps being taken under NAP.

If I were a Pakistani I would remain concerned about Pakistan alone. Unlike all the nations you have mentioned , Pak has a strong bulwark in the form of PA & ISI. The moot point is that they have got their script wrong. Being a military man you will appreciate the old dictum in attack - of never to reinforce a failed attack. This is what is happening.

You cannot equate Pak with the likes of AF, Iraq , Libya etc.

Indeed and it is the PA and ISI serving as the nucleus of an otherwise fractured nation that has been able to slow and then stop the plunge of this nation towards absolute chaos. However, it has also created an atmosphere where the Pakistani public is becoming increasingly skeptical of the outside world and that is not helping the cause at all. It is increasingly difficult to justify any sort of help or interaction with foreign states without facing the ire of the people who now think of much of the world's most notable nations as facilitators of chaos for their role in Pakistan and the broader region.

It does not matter if its the 1st or not. Like I mentioned above , what needs to be asked is ' " at what cost' and ' How much is enough" ?

Military minds do not think emotionally - If a summary is made on what has been achieved since 47 and the costs involved, the answer will be evident provided the analysis is done from the head & not the heart.

Obviously and that has been the very case. I am going to be very candid, in the 1990s and early 2000s you could donate to the Kashmir Jihad at every mosque. Eid prayers would be followed by massive donations to 'Mujahideen' but that has become like some sort of ancient history owing to the rapid transformation Pakistan has undergone which has seen the abandonment of such elements by establishment and a public rejection of financially sustaining militancy, where ever it may be.

Don't get swayed by these things.

The truth is both of us use every trick in the book of dirty tricks. India despite all this is moving along albeit slowly / sluggishly in fits & starts.

Itrs for you to analyse how Pak is moving and in which direction.

Once again I agree, however India has been propelled into its new found position by virtue of its expanding, educated and enlightened middle class. The economic situation has halted this process in Pakistan which obviously requires investor confidence to re initiate, which will only be possible when the law and order situation improves.

Pakistan is the fountainhead of jihadis..there's nothing to kid here...where do the jihadis in the whole region come from? Where are their training camps? Where is a whole infrastructure available for jihad? Isn't pakistanI forces claiming to have killed thousands of jihadis, and have dismantled hundreds of jihadi training camps, weapon depots and hideouts? Haven't your whole NAP centred around ridding your country of jihadi and their infrastructure?..aren't there India specific, Iran specific, Pakistan specific, Afghan specific, sectarian, Shariah, Islamic state etc terrorists groups in pakistan?

It's not just India that's saying so..It's all your neighbors and beyond who complain about terrorist groups operating out of pakistan . So, stop trying to deny it.

Have you even bothered to read through the pages before parroting that typical India TV rhetoric?

 

[Neptune]

To hell....what else??

 

[randaam janmam]

No Terrorist organization can launch attacks like on APS with out foreign support .....

Oh yea, why is that? Because army public school is a heavily fortified and defended bastion? It's a school, FFS - why would anybody need "foreign support" to attack a school? That too, terrorists who have previously attacked the army and police headquarters, naval and air bases with impunity - you think they need "foreign support" to attack a school?

The fact is that it was your ideological soulmates (hardcore islamists who want sharia) who did it. Not Indians. But of course, it is soothing to pretend that it was India.

 

[Tipu7]

Oh yea, why is that? Because army public school is a heavily fortified and defended bastion? It's a school, FFS - why would anybody need "foreign support" to attack a school? That too, terrorists who have previously attacked the army and police headquarters, naval and air bases with impunity - you think they need "foreign support" to attack a school?

The fact is that it was your ideological soulmates (hardcore islamists who want sharia) who did it. Not Indians. But of course, it is soothing to pretend that it was India.

Don't want to start a debate.
Keep believing what you believe......

 

[randaam janmam]

Pakistan is only recently attempting a policy that India has maintained since her inception, blame it on the neighbour and just look at the ripples it is making!

The difference being that in India's case, our neighbors actually have supported militants Even if you deny that, you cannot pretend that many Pakistanis have infiltrated into India for militancy. You cannot deny that there are training camps for militants in Pakistan. Ajmal Kasab was not Amar Singh in disguise, Syed Salahudin and Omar Sheikh are in Pakistan, etc etc.

There is a wide world of difference in credibility when Pak is accused of fomenting terror, and India being accused of it - that too, ironically, by Pak - the very country who's citizens have exploded in so many places across the world.