Are they serious? Is Pakistan really blaming India for Peshawar massacre

[acid rain]

So India assertions that a random group of ten people who were killed under mysterious circumstances are Pakistani border jumpers because they confessed to it moments before they died and had come to create tensions in Kashmir would be true? Please don't kid yourself, the Indian establishment and media has long used Pakistan as a patsy for its own failures. We are merely paying in kind.

Pakistan is the fountainhead of jihadis..there's nothing to kid here...where do the jihadis in the whole region come from? Where are their training camps? Where is a whole infrastructure available for jihad? Isn't pakistanI forces claiming to have killed thousands of jihadis, and have dismantled hundreds of jihadi training camps, weapon depots and hideouts? Haven't your whole NAP centred around ridding your country of jihadi and their infrastructure?..aren't there India specific, Iran specific, Pakistan specific, Afghan specific, sectarian, Shariah, Islamic state etc terrorists groups in pakistan?

It's not just India that's saying so..It's all your neighbors and beyond who complain about terrorist groups operating out of pakistan . So, stop trying to deny it.

 

[Irfan Baloch]

well no matter how much enemosity is their between india and pakistan we indians can never stoop to the level where kids are massacerred ... period

wish you were right. but if you see some pictures of what your Mukti Bahani agents did during and after the 71 war then you might reconsider because your Pardhan Muntri Ji in his last speech to bangladehsis admitted that Indian soldiers were shoulder to shoulder with their Mukti Bahani terrorists. and i am not even talking about the massacre of people migrating to Pakistan during Partition and how their bodies were mutilated without any distinction of age or gender.

we as human are very much capable of doing horrid things to each other no matter what is our race, religion or nationality

 

[Uzair Shafiq [Босс]]

Finally They released this long awaited now my brothers can Rest in peace
They will be avenged
India you can only kill civilians and that mostly through the use of proxies but one must think what will happen when ttp is eliminated?

 

[Irfan Baloch]

Pakistan is the fountainhead of jihadis..there's nothing to kid here...where do the jihadis in the while region come from? Camps in Khost in Afghanistan Where are their training camps? Same as before, In Khost and Nooristan run by Indians same Where is a whole infrastructure available for jihad?

Answered for you.

 

[nair]

I know what you are saying , I have children too and yes there are some in Pakistan who say incidents like Mumbai are a result of Indian mistakes which will continue to happen because Indian state doesn't feel any shame in admitting its subversive activities in Pakistan from Baluchistan to east Pakistan since the 1950s. despite that I wont justify the killing of innocent Indians getting on with their daily lives.

Can you elaborate on the above???? How did you come to such conclusion?

 

[GURU DUTT]

wish you were right. but if you see some pictures of what your Mukti Bahani agents did during and after the 71 war then you might reconsider because your Pardhan Muntri Ji in his last speech to bangladehsis admitted that Indian soldiers were shoulder to shoulder with their Mukti Bahani terrorists. and i am not even talking about the massacre of people migrating to Pakistan during Partition and how their bodies were mutilated without any distinction of age or gender.

we as human are very much capable of doing horrid things to each other no matter what is our race, religion or nationality

no sir i disagree we dont think like that

first of all mukti bahini was not a terrorist organaisation they took up arms against west pakistani army after the west pakistani army started a rape and massacrre campain against bengalies when they asked for their legitimte right after winning the elections of 1970 check your facts sir

we never dissowned that we dint help mukti bahini even your forces surrenderred to "indian army" not "mukti bahini" so check your facts again

what modi did in bangladesh was expected from him not just by indians but bangladeshies so he was just plying to the gallarey even bangladeshi PM gifted him of a copy of picture of PAs surrender to indian army ,... now check your facts again

but helping refugees to take up arms against a opressor regime in not a crime even pakistani and US goverment armed afgahn refugees with stinger missiles and other explosives in thier war against USSR ... check your facts again SIR

but no matter what no one has the athourity to massacrre kids in a school sorri we indians dont have stomach to think something like that forget owr passive or active support such people

so whats your point SIR ?

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[acid rain]

Answered for you.

So what was your army dismantling in Waziristan and fata and conducting a media tour of?

So what are your rangers and FC raiding..boot camps?. What are the drones targeting inside Pakistan ?

Irfan bhai..thoda soch samajh ke boliye

 

[third eye]

That is because it is the favour of the free world itself that terrorism has become such a major issue. Pakistan, Iraq, Syria, Libya and even Afghanistan in its own twisted way were largely stable countries before the world decided to lend an unwanted hand. It is not only about Pakistan, Libya was the country with the highest GDP and PhDs per capita before the free world gave them their own brand of freedom and now dismiss them as savages, laughing at their misfortune.

If I were a Pakistani I would remain concerned about Pakistan alone. Unlike all the nations you have mentioned , Pak has a strong bulwark in the form of PA & ISI. The moot point is that they have got their script wrong. Being a military man you will appreciate the old dictum in attack - of never to reinforce a failed attack. This is what is happening.

You cannot equate Pak with the likes of AF, Iraq , Libya etc.

You severely overestimate the permeance of Pakistan's Kashmir proxies in the contemporary conflict and besides Pakistan is neither the first nor the last countries to have used proxies.

It does not matter if its the 1st or not. Like I mentioned above , what needs to be asked is ' " at what cost' and ' How much is enough" ?

Military minds do not think emotionally - If a summary is made on what has been achieved since 47 and the costs involved, the answer will be evident provided the analysis is done from the head & not the heart.

It is hardly India's position to be judging Pakistan against any criteria unless they have applied the same to themselves first. For India itself has painted itself as a victim.

Insurgency problems? They must be coming from Pakistan.
Currency devaluation? Pakistan is smuggling in fake currency.
Administrative problems? Pakistan backed terrorists are destroying infrastructure.

Don't get swayed by these things.

The truth is both of us use every trick in the book of dirty tricks. India despite all this is moving along albeit slowly / sluggishly in fits & starts.

Itrs for you to analyse how Pak is moving and in which direction.

 

[ito]

No one will believe this absurd.

Anyway...talks are going for a toss.

 

[ranjeet]

Another false allegation ....

Safoora Attack
MQM funding ...
Drone
now APS.

 

[GURU DUTT]

Another false allegation ....

Safoora Attack
MQM funding ...
Drone
now APS.

what else you can expect from a media which has "shikast khurda zaeheniat"

 

[dravidianhero]

I can only see the doom of Pakistan..it has no future with all these conspiracy theories..as long as the root issue is not addressed ,this country will keep on going to dogs..problem lies somewhere,they are searching the solution somewhere else.

 

[P.K.]

Another false allegation ....

Safoora Attack
MQM funding ...
Drone
now APS.

I was just wondering if an attack of the magnitude of APS had occurred in India.

Had Indian Military, after the attack put India under Undeclared 'Martial Law'.

Wouldn't every Pakistani be blaming Indian agencies for 'staging' such attack to gain control over civil government

 

[punit]

I don't think anybody on this forum is saying that India was behind the massacre of APS, this is just Pakistan giving India a taste of its own medicine on diplomatic level.

But what we are certain of is that Indian money and weapons have been instrumental for the likes of Fazlullah and Khorasani. The Indians are not advising them on any level, but certainly are providing them with financing to carry havoc in Pakistan.

with so many more than eager financer in ME and within pakistan .. do TTP really need Indian money ?

 

[dravidianhero]

Well obviously, Pakistan is new to this game. Some hiccups are but natural.



News flash, we've actually taken massive strides towards ridding Pakistan of terrorism and recorded over 64% decline in frequency of attacks over the course of one year. So I can understand your delusional state school taught hatred of Pakistan, its an indoctrination issue, but you can at least get your figures and current affairs information right.

It is only a temporary phase ..mark my words ..terrorism will rise again from dead like a phoenix....the fanaticism,blind following of mullahs,rivalry between various sects ,illegal trading of weapons are all good sources for terrorism..until those issue are addressed,terrorism isn't going anywhere.