Are they serious? Is Pakistan really blaming India for Peshawar massacre

[Icarus]

Tell me why should it matter to a nation or groups of people who suffer at the hands of terrorists spawned by Pakistan that Pakistan too is suffering form its ill effects ?

That is because it is the favour of the free world itself that terrorism has become such a major issue. Pakistan, Iraq, Syria, Libya and even Afghanistan in its own twisted way were largely stable countries before the world decided to lend an unwanted hand. It is not only about Pakistan, Libya was the country with the highest GDP and PhDs per capita before the free world gave them their own brand of freedom and now dismiss them as savages, laughing at their misfortune.

Its a problem willingly & short sightedly created by Pakistan in the vain hope that its ill effects would be directed outside its borders only. Even the naivest agencies would know thats such groups have a mind & agenda of their own.

You severely overestimate the permeance of Pakistan's Kashmir proxies in the contemporary conflict and besides Pakistan is neither the first nor the last countries to have used proxies.

Pak must stop playing the victim card - its seems hollow even to those who use it.

It is hardly India's position to be judging Pakistan against any criteria unless they have applied the same to themselves first. For India itself has painted itself as a victim.

Insurgency problems? They must be coming from Pakistan.
Currency devaluation? Pakistan is smuggling in fake currency.
Administrative problems? Pakistan backed terrorists are destroying infrastructure.

 

[syedali73]

Dhoval jee's statements are on the record that Bharat is supporting terrorism in Pakistan. Bharat has done it before in 1971, and Modi has confessed his involvement in East Pakistan as a terrorist of Mukti Bahini outfit.

 

[GURU DUTT]

Dhoval jee's statements are on the record that Bharat is supporting terrorism in Pakistan. Bharat has done it before in 1971, and Modi has confessed his involvement in East Pakistan as a terrorist of Mukti Bahini outfit.

well even your very own hamid gul or many other ex ISI & PA genrals keep on making such statements aginst india on many talk shows on your national prime time TV so whats your point ?

doval onli said we will "OPT FOr Offensive Defnce instead of Passive defence Policy against pakistan" whats wrong in it

dint you sent 200+ commandoes under so called "opration gibralter" in 1964 with extra guns in ratio of 1.3 to entice an armed rebellion against india ?

dint you supported , trained and armed khalistani terrorists against india in 1980s and 1900s ?

why are you protecting drug smuggler like dawood ibrahim who is a declared criminal by UNO ?

 

[Jackdaws]

Dhoval jee's statements are on the record that Bharat is supporting terrorism in Pakistan. Bharat has done it before in 1971, and Modi has confessed his involvement in East Pakistan as a terrorist of Mukti Bahini outfit.

Nope. Confession of Modi? LOL - you signed a Treaty of Surrender to the Indian forces for crying out loud - what is there to admit or confess? When did Doval ever say India is supporting terrorism in Pak? It seems most Pakistanis subscribe to the Zaid Hamid school of logic - repeat it enough times, and you yourself will start believing it.

 

[Irfan Baloch]

Really a setback for the victims of the peshawar attacks.Children are not alive,but their parents will surely feel bad about the fact that their country is playing petty politics using such a serious topic.

by this definition does demanding Dawood Ibrahim or Lakhvi fall in the category of petty politics of India?

There is nothing wrong in Accusing India for every attack in Pakistan.......... It can serve the following purpose....


2) The in-capabilities of security agencies can be masked by blaming India

you got a good point there

maybe one day in the future an Indian PM like Modi will declare that his soldiers fought shoulder to shoulder with BLA/ TTP against Pakistan just like in former east Pakistan.

although the first one is self contradictory because such planners are being pounded in remote places like Tirah Valley and settled areas like Karachi.

 

[Shamain]

this quote needs to be gold plated and then stabbed in the eyes of those who make half arsed comments against Pakistan re its relation with US.

back to topic. I don't know if I should or shouldn't blame Indian intelligence involvement in logistics and planning of the APS attack but we have identified Indian field hospitals that were setup to support the injured TTP terrorists retreating back into Afghanistan after their fightings with our forces. I am referring to the fights in Tirah valley and what our forces recovered from TTP and what our intel gathered across the border recently
even if Indian "mission" is "humanitarian" in nature then the choice of place and "patients" is very peculiar to say the least.


it is high time we start hitting them if they are not designated "diplomatic" missions in the middle of nowhere... this will really sap the TTP war machinery

Symbolic dates selection. Also why army school. Yes ttp was hurt by army and wanted to tke revenge. But why they would pick out a symbolic date 16 dec, 71, that for last 40 years india has always used and referred to, to one-up pakistan in all tirades.

 

[Irfan Baloch]

trust me saeen ji no one can stop TTP other than pakistani society which deu to lack or basic education and health and lack of law and order is forced to buy the propoganda made by extremist idology funded madarsaas in pakistan and later are used as cannon fodder by these madarsaas am i wrong ?

g meri jaan

re India my position was clear since the day of the 16 Dec attack. even if the Indian involvement is confirmed at all levels. I wont wish anything similar or close to happen to Indian children. the way they prayed and paid respect for the victims shall never be forgotten and we pray for their safety

 

[Shamain]

@nair the incapibility of security agencies point. Guess what even after blaming on india it cant be masked. With regards to APS incident it always showed and never seemed hidden no matter how hard they tried,incase they ever tried to cover it up, tho idont know they did that. I do blame our agencies indifference for the incident.

And you expect objective answers... rofl

Yes obviously God gave all the objectivity to the nation that catches foreign terrorist pegions.

 

[GURU DUTT]

g meri jaan

re India my position was clear since the day of the 16 Dec attack. even if the Indian involvement is confirmed at all levels. I wont wish anything similar or close to happen to Indian children. the way they prayed and paid respect for the victims shall never be forgotten and we pray for their safety

well no matter how much enemosity is their between india and pakistan we indians can never stoop to the level where kids are massacerred ... period

+ if you dont know in earli dec 2014 in run up to J&K elections we killed some 5 terrorists in J&K who attacked indian contonement with doing the same with owr kids in APS their but owr soldiers foiled that attempt and many of owr soldiers were killed in the process

 

[Shamain]

g meri jaan

re India my position was clear since the day of the 16 Dec attack. even if the Indian involvement is confirmed at all levels. I wont wish anything similar or close to happen to Indian children. the way they prayed and paid respect for the victims shall never be forgotten and we pray for their safety

We dont need to kill their citizens or kids. Their Pm has a history,congress party hs a history. Even mumbai staged attacks are no less an example.

But God, what happened in Aps may never happen again ,anywhere in the world.

 

[nair]

you got a good point there

maybe one day in the future an Indian PM like Modi will declare that his soldiers fought shoulder to shoulder with BLA/ TTP against Pakistan just like in former east Pakistan.

although the first one is self contradictory because such planners are being pounded in remote places like Tirah Valley and settled areas like Karachi.

We are not talking about BLA here..... Are we?????

I am sure you knows how TTP has been born and brought up...... You cant blame India for sure......But then if you are looking for some one to blame..... Be our guest!!!!!!!!!!

@nair the incapibility of security agencies point. Guess what even after blaming on india it cant be masked. With regards to APS incident it always showed and never seemed hidden no matter how hard they tried,incase they ever tried to cover it up, tho idont know they did that. I do blame our agencies indifference for the incident.

Well That is what citizens are doing.... I was talking about the security agencies, who try to mask it by blaming it on India....

doval onli said we will "OPT FOr Offensive Defnce instead of Passive defence Policy against pakistan" whats wrong in it
?

The question is how many did listen to what doval said, and understood it...... He said we are doing nothing, and we should start doing.......

 

[notorious_eagle]

well no matter how much enemosity is their between india and pakistan we indians can never stoop to the level where kids are massacerred ... period

+ if you dont know in earli dec 2014 in run up to J&K elections we killed some 5 terrorists in J&K who attacked indian contonement with doing the same with owr kids in APS their but owr soldiers foiled that attempt and many of owr soldiers were killed in the process

I don't think anybody on this forum is saying that India was behind the massacre of APS, this is just Pakistan giving India a taste of its own medicine on diplomatic level.

But what we are certain of is that Indian money and weapons have been instrumental for the likes of Fazlullah and Khorasani. The Indians are not advising them on any level, but certainly are providing them with financing to carry havoc in Pakistan.

 

[nair]

g meri jaan

re India my position was clear since the day of the 16 Dec attack. even if the Indian involvement is confirmed at all levels. I wont wish anything similar or close to happen to Indian children. the way they prayed and paid respect for the victims shall never be forgotten and we pray for their safety

Probably this was one of the worst attacks on humanity in my time sofar....... Being a father of 2 (out of which 1 goes to school), those scenes can never be forgotten, and that is the case for every Indian..... (yes there will be some who would say pakistan paid for their mistakes, even they will agree this was an attack on humanity, not on pakistan)

 

[GURU DUTT]

I don't think anybody on this forum is saying that India was behind the massacre of APS, this is just Pakistan giving India a taste of its own medicine on diplomatic level.

But what we are certain of is that Indian money and weapons have been instrumental for the likes of Fazlullah and Khorasani. The Indians are not advising them on any level, but certainly are providing them with financing to carry havoc in Pakistan.

point is talibanies are so called "pure muslims" will a muslim take money from a kaffir to kill innocent muslims ?

most of the terrorists use soviet made or inspired/cloned AK-47 or RPGs does that means they are funded by russia ?

if you have looked cloeslli to the pictures issued by handlers of APC massacerr criminals they were flashing proudli their western made wepons one even had an AUG does that means germany was behind it ?

as for funding of TTP, Fazlullah, khurasani well ever heared of extortion and abduction industry or illeagel wepons and drug trade in that part of the world

if according to you india is funding TTP in afghanistan to kill muslims in that part of the world why 4 owt of 5 afghanies support india and hate pakistan in afghanistan ?

use your logik sirji not the propogandda which is fed to your nation by your media and ISPR to hide their own incompetence and corruption

 

[Peaceful Civilian]

Are you expecting sane statement from our jahil politicians?

 

[Irfan Baloch]

Probably this was one of the worst attacks on humanity in my time sofar....... Being a father of 2 (out of which 1 goes to school), those scenes can never be forgotten, and that is the case for every Indian..... (yes there will be some who would say pakistan paid for their mistakes, even they will agree this was an attack on humanity, not on pakistan)

I know what you are saying , I have children too and yes there are some in Pakistan who say incidents like Mumbai are a result of Indian mistakes which will continue to happen because Indian state doesn't feel any shame in admitting its subversive activities in Pakistan from Baluchistan to east Pakistan since the 1950s. despite that I wont justify the killing of innocent Indians getting on with their daily lives.