Are East Asians inherently more neat and tidy than South Asians?

[Spectre]

What baloney!! Race has no scientific rationale based on genetics but is a social construct. There have been countless studies decrying the existent of race and same has been reported in mainstream media too.

Race may not exist but racism does unfortunately and some people would always put one race up a pedestal so that they could lord over the other one.

Anyway when there is a scientific debate over existence of race itself it would be a folly to assign social behaviors which are a result of complex environmental stimulus a racial angle

Reference

Nicholas Wade: Race Has a Biological Basis. Racism Does Not - WSJ

Former New York Times Science Editor: Race Is Real

There is no scientific rationale for race-based research. - PubMed - NCBI

http://www.newsweek.com/there-no-such-thing-race-283123

 

[Beidou2020]

Hmm. A lot of bad people that have done horrible things in our earth history and present have very high IQ and are smart.

I agree. Doing good or bad things by individuals doesn't measure general IQ of a race.

Whites use their IQ to commit crimes on a mass scale and blacks use their lack of IQ to commit crimes on the community.

 

[Adecypher]

IQ is the difference I believe. IQ is needed to know what is right from wrong.

So IQ is the pivotal deterministic factor here ... will you then disagree with the following statement:

Many scientific researches have shown an obvious fact, that the behavior of a human being is created by the environment. If genes predispose a certain behavior but the environment doesn’t support it, then that behavior won’t manifest, so in this case, genes aren’t important. (Source:click here).

 

[Zabaniyah]

Okay, what do we understand by a culture?

Does it consist of shared habits in a community? Its values? And by values, they are the judgments that they make in their daily lives? Do these values help shape the way a society evolve?

 

[Aepsilons]

So IQ is the pivotal deterministic factor here ... will you then disagree with the following statement:

Many scientific researches have shown an obvious fact, that the behavior of a human being is created by the environment. If genes predispose a certain behavior but the environment doesn’t support it, then that behavior won’t manifest, so in this case, genes aren’t important.” (Source:click here).

Hello @Adecypher ,

In the field of business psychology and industrial psychology, which is my specialty, there is a growing paradigm in the importance of emotional intelligence, emotional maturity as the predictive variable in employee success , employee adaptability within the organizational culture. IQ is no longer the gold standard in determining employee adaptability. In fact this paradigm of emotional intelligence, emotional maturity is growing its its application in other fields of research such as human development, social psychology, developmental neuroscience et al.

I just wanted to correct the erroneous assumption of one member here named @Beidou2020 who kept on touting on about IQ, he's wrong. lol. Literature proves this wrong.




Regards,
@Nihonjin1051 , Ph.D-c, L.P, HRP-c.

 

[Beidou2020]

So IQ is the pivotal deterministic factor here ... will you then disagree with the following statement:

Many scientific researches have shown an obvious fact, that the behavior of a human being is created by the environment. If genes predispose a certain behavior but the environment doesn’t support it, then that behavior won’t manifest, so in this case, genes aren’t important.” (Source:click here).

Environment might change the behaviour a little bit but won't change the general IQ of a race. A dumb race is a dumb race wherever you put them. Jews, Whites and East Asians are the smartest races.

Blacks perform poorly whether you put them in the least developed country in Africa or in America. They have the same opportunities as whites but are far behind.

I agree with Philip Rushton on the average IQ between races.

 

[Spectre]

Hello @Adecypher ,

In the field of business psychology and industrial psychology, which is my specialty, there is a growing paradigm in the importance of emotional intelligence, emotional maturity as the predictive variable in employee success , employee adaptability within the organizational culture. IQ is no longer the gold standard in determining employee adaptability. In fact this paradigm of emotional intelligence, emotional maturity is growing its its application in other fields of research such as human development, social psychology, developmental neuroscience et al.

I just wanted to correct the erroneous assumption of one member here named @Beidou2020 who kept on touting on about IQ, he's wrong. lol. Literature proves this wrong.




Regards,
@Nihonjin1051 , Ph.D-c, L.P, HRP-c.

Extremely well argued.

IQ and EQ are both instrumental in assuring a person's happiness and ability to succeed. But humans are social animals, which may make EQ a more necessary component to living a happy and successful life. Having a high IQ will definitely offer other advantages, but EQ is more difficult to live without.

People with high EQ do not have to have high IQ to succeed because social skills in the workplace and in everyday life are constantly utilized. People with high IQ may be exceptionally brilliant at understanding information, but when it comes to social interaction they may have to work harder to make themselves understood. This is more detrimental than having a lower IQ but a high EQ.

According to a recent Forbes article: " Research carried out by the Carnegie Institute of Technology shows that 85 percent of your financial success is due to skills in “human engineering,” your personality and ability to communicate, negotiate, and lead. Shockingly, only 15 percent is due to technical knowledge. Additionally, Nobel Prize winning Israeli-American psychologist, Daniel Kahneman, found that people would rather do business with a person they like and trust rather than someone they don’t, even if the likeable person is offering a lower quality product or service at a higher price."

Intelligence Is Overrated: What You Really Need To Succeed

 

[waz]

People can't deny there are differences in IQ among different races no matter how much of a sensitive topic it maybe, I think we all like to believe everyone is equal but putting all the political correctness aside, there are big differences in IQ among races. I think its important to discuss the averages since there will be smart and dumb people of all races.

Can you honestly say the AVERAGE black person is smarter than the AVERAGE East Asian?

Genetics play a role, but not as large as a role as environment.

 

[Adecypher]

Blacks are the dumbest. Blacks are dumb whether you put them in the least developed country in Africa or in America. A dumb race is a dumb race

I disagree as I have met countless African American who came from Countries like Kenya, Nigeria and doing if not better than at par in comparison to Whites and Asians.

 

[Azizam]

Environment might change the behaviour a little bit but won't change the general IQ of a race. A dumb race is a dumb race wherever you put them. Jews, Whites and East Asians are the smartest races.

Blacks perform poorly whether you put them in the least developed country in Africa or in America. They have the same opportunities as whites but are far behind.

I agree with Philip Rushton on the average IQ between races.

Are you saying that race was created with sorcery? Race itself is a product of environmental conditions.

 

[Tom99]

Whites use their IQ to commit crimes on a mass scale and blacks use their lack of IQ to commit crimes on the community.

absurd

 

[Aepsilons]

Very interesting debate and I agree to it partially because this is dependent on the characteristic (such as age, educational background, economical status etc) of the sample you have selected for the behavioral impact study who had undergone environmental change or changes. As you mentioned in your post that how Pakistanis and Indians exhibit neatness which is related to their "new" environment...an interesting question to ask is what behavior change a westerner would exhibit in a different environment/Country (for example in Pakistan or India) ... would his/her behavior overtime will start to mimic the locals? Would he/she break the red light signal as some of the locals do etc? If NOT then why?

@syedali73 Sir, your thoughts also on this will be appreciated.

One theme I would like to direct your interest in--- which is related to human behavior --- is the concept of Innate Goodness.

The humanistic theories of psychology such as those by Abraham Maslow and Carl Rogers can help explain the concept of innate goodness. Maslow stated that the motives for human action is to eventually acquire self-actualization, but actions are determined by one’s physiological security (Ryckman, 2013). Innate goodness and existential thoughts are considered only when a human individual is able to satisfy his all other needs.

Maslow conjectured that self-actualization may be considered an illustration of goodness. There seven characteristics of this concept include the tendency to have spiritual and emotionally satisfying experiences, to tendency to have a sense of humor, the capacity to form close relationships without becoming too dependent, the capability to enjoy work and seeing work as a sense of fulfillment, one’s ability to be spontaneous and open, ability to accept oneself (Ryckman, 2013). All of these are considered parts and levels of goodness so in that regard, innate goodness can be explained through the humanistic perspective.

Skinner premised that operant behavior includes talking to people, reading, walking, writing, kissing, dressing, singing a song and other related activities. Operating conditioning is the establishment of an association between behavior and its consequences (Ryckman, 2013). Operant Conditioning is influenced by the three-term contingency, which states that an event will occur if another event occurs.

Skinner then states that there are three important components of operant-conditioning contingency, these are the environment, the behavior itself and the environmental stimuli that follow the behavior. Thus, in regards to behavioral theories, goodness is not innate, but is something that can be trained and elicited.



Best,




Reference:

Ryckman, R. M. (2013). Theories of personality (10th ed.). Belmont, CA: Wadsworth

 

[waz]

I disagree as I have met countless African American who came from Countries like Kenya, Nigeria and doing if not better than at par in comparison to Whites and Asians.

I've seen the same thing i.e. migrants doing well from Africa. Good work ethic.

 

[gau8av]

I agree. Doing good or bad things by individuals doesn't measure general IQ of a race.

Whites use their IQ to commit crimes on a mass scale and blacks use their lack of IQ to commit crimes on the community.

 

[Beidou2020]

I disagree as I have met countless African American who came from Countries like Kenya, Nigeria and doing if not better than at par in comparison to Whites and Asians.

You are talking about exceptions. I'm talking on average.

There are successful blacks, and unsuccessful whites.

But you put blacks and whites in the same environment with the same opportunities and you will see the whites as a race be more successful than blacks as a race.