Are atheists/seculars loyal to Islamic Republic of Pakistan ?

[EasyNow]

Their loyalty is usually to wherever their next plate of halwa is going to come from.

As long as you sound like a 'proper' Muslim, they will eat dog meat if you give it to them.

 

[Pan-Islamic-Pakistan]

This question doesn't need much explanations. PAKISTAN has been founded as a Muslim homeland based on the two nation throry. Millions of Muslims sacrificed their lives for the foundation of this Muslim homeland. We are also by constitution, an Islamic Republic which also provides guaranteed protections to all non Muslim citizens of other faiths. There is a condition though. All citizens must accept Pakistan as an Islamic Republic in order to be protected by the constitution.
How about people who do not accept Pakistan as an Islamic Republic and believe in atheist/secular ideologies? Are they really loyal to our founding principles and sovereignty ? Are they still entitled to remain the citizen of the Islamic Republic of Pakistan ? Don't they pose serious national security threats to our country ?
We must answer these existantial questions. There is no economy without clearly defined sovereignty. People who propose alternative ideologies such as secular/atheist and ethnic nationalism, they are clear and present danger to the national security of Pakistan. They will not hesitate to collaborate with foreign powers to undermine the national security. Government security apparatus must deal with these dangerous people accordingly.

I am surprised you had the gall to open this thread. It is really quite aggressive.

First thing which I must note is that Pakistan is not a genuine Islamic government, we have some kind of strange colonial era British system which allows oligarchs and landowners into power.

First struggle for a genuine Islamic government in Pakistan, then we have the right to ask this question.

Even then, Islam does not punish private apostasy or secretive practice of any faith, even idolatry. We cannot break into people's homes or private gatherings.

It is only when the secular, atheist ideology threatens the state in the public sphere, such as in schools, bazaars, masajid, government buildings, that it becomes an issue of the survival of the state.

Media and universities, schools, masajid need a watchdog to cull all anti-state elements, whether they are secular or radicals.

 

[-blitzkrieg-]

Without these five provinces there could be no Pakistan. You can't build castles in air let alone countries in hot air. In 1947 these provinces joined the federation and Pakistan came into existence. Then. Yes then after Pakistan came into existence @Areesh hightailed it to a already existing Pakistan. Yet the 95% of Pakistan that made the country giving a place for the 5% from Gangadesh to get refuge today have to bow to the 5% hightailers.

In your ignorance your forgot Pakistan at that time also saw huge number of hightailers from Indian Punjab and Afghanistan.

The only people who are and have been truly loyal to Pakistan are the sons of the soil of various regions/provinces that define the territory of modern Pakistan.

Jinnah,? Liaquat Ali Khan ? were they son of soil? were they loyal why did they fight for Pakistan?

 

[Imad.Khan]

LMAO, Buy me a Ticket. I was born here and I had no choice, I am also not old enough to move but I would prefer to live in Pakistan. Inshallah I will move back when I can. This place is a hellhole, their is no morality or modesty, Even in Texas which is the most conservative part.

Just like you passed judgement so easily against people with a different religious belief, i too will pass judgement against you and say that we also suspect the loyalty of people born overseas.

 

[Aurengzeb Alamgir]

Just like you passed judgement so easily against people with a different religious belief, i too will pass judgement against you and say that we also suspect the loyalty of people born overseas.

I didn't pass Judgment against anyone. I only said that kuffar(athiest) cannot belong in a true Islamic State

 

[darksider]

Can you guys name some famous secular or athieast personality work for Pakistan or didn't want to hug india.
What about asma jahangir?
All i see famous athieast or seculars are in anti state activities.
I am not saying here every religious person is loyal to Pakistan.
but there are many who loyal to Pakistan.

 

[Pan-Islamic-Pakistan]

I didn't pass Judgment against anyone. I only said that kuffar(athiest) cannot belong in a true Islamic State

We have to bring a genuine Islamic government first, and even then there are rules.

Unfortunately our media and university professors, even government officials, most of them are proxies for US or Indians, or idolize them.

Even some religious groups like JUI (F/H) are Indian proxies.

 

[-blitzkrieg-]

"Sons of the soil"

The term 'son of soil' or 'sapoot-e-khaaq' is used in Pakistan for our brave soldiers who occasionally die in the cause...
Dont know whodafuq chanegd its meaning to a "local guy" ..

 

[Imran Khan]

wow just wow you mixed secular with atheists ? first learn the difference of two and talk .

 

[dani92]

Yes they are more loyal to the nation state of Pakistan than to the Islamist ummah terrorists who say Pakistan is just Provence of global caliphate.

 

[Pan-Islamic-Pakistan]

I don't understand how Pakistanis want to institute zero to hero Islamic fiqh overnight, without first building the groundwork and grassroots support for it. We have legal Islamic experts to enforce fiqh, it is not the duty of any one of us.

 

[Ahmet Pasha]

Historical precedence shows that they are not. They mostly start some sort of exaggerated extreme leftist front against state of Pakistan.

 

[Clutch]

definitely NOT

only the Pious practicing MUSLIMS of correct faith are the ones and true sons of soil.
they are the only ones loyal to Pakistan
their Muslim faith and its expression from lal Masjid to Bajour, from Karachi to APS is a proof that they are the true loyal Pakistanis
rest are all kafirs and deserve to die;

So are you saying pious Muslims are terrorists?? Lol

 

[Krptonite]

This question doesn't need much explanations. PAKISTAN has been founded as a Muslim homeland based on the two nation throry. Millions of Muslims sacrificed their lives for the foundation of this Muslim homeland. We are also by constitution, an Islamic Republic which also provides guaranteed protections to all non Muslim citizens of other faiths. There is a condition though. All citizens must accept Pakistan as an Islamic Republic in order to be protected by the constitution.
How about people who do not accept Pakistan as an Islamic Republic and believe in atheist/secular ideologies? Are they really loyal to our founding principles and sovereignty ? Are they still entitled to remain the citizen of the Islamic Republic of Pakistan ? Don't they pose serious national security threats to our country ?
We must answer these existantial questions. There is no economy without clearly defined sovereignty. People who propose alternative ideologies such as secular/atheist and ethnic nationalism, they are clear and present danger to the national security of Pakistan. They will not hesitate to collaborate with foreign powers to undermine the national security. Government security apparatus must deal with these dangerous people accordingly.

Are people who issue loyalty certificates based on race/religion/cast loyal to their country?

Did Sir Jinnah unite people under one banner or god forbid ask them to convert to state approved ideals, else risk being a "security threat"

Who is more loyal to his motherland, those who unite or those who divide?

Its absurd to ask a fellow, who's entire life; being born, marriage, death is intwined with the soil of his motherland; for proofs of loyalty based on his creed.

Just because someone believes in something different, you want to paint him as a security threat, what's the difference then, between you and what many here profess to fight against.

 

[Krptonite]

Altaf is also a liberal or secular. And his actions prove OP is right.

If you're going to use Altaf as the poster boy for secularism, might as well listen to ISIS, they know what Islam's all about