Are atheists/seculars loyal to Islamic Republic of Pakistan ?

[Longhorn]

I didn't pass Judgment against anyone. I only said that kuffar(athiest) cannot belong in a true Islamic State

So what would happen to "kuffar (atheists)" that happened to find themselves on your soil when your "true Islamic state" came into existence.

 

[Rashid Mahmood]

Patriotism does not depend on religion, sect, cast or creed.
Any Pakistani citizen can be a Patriot if he chooses to be one.

However, atheists & ahmedis do not like the word "Islamic" in "Islamic Republic of Pakistan".
They want it to change as they hate this word, so they do everything to prove that Pakistan is a secular country. Some of them are the real danger to this country and can be turned very easily.


Christians/Sikhs/Hindus accept it and do not mind it at all.

Various movements are initiated to cause hate against the state, based on race/ethnicity. Just like PTM and many others. These are mostly funded and have a hidden agenda to cause disturbance against the Govt.

 

[Aurengzeb Alamgir]

So what would happen to "kuffar (atheists)" that happened to find themselves on your soil when your "true Islamic state" came into existence.

have three months to leave or convert just like the Quran says

 

[War Thunder]

This question doesn't need much explanations. PAKISTAN has been founded as a Muslim homeland based on the two nation throry. Millions of Muslims sacrificed their lives for the foundation of this Muslim homeland. We are also by constitution, an Islamic Republic which also provides guaranteed protections to all non Muslim citizens of other faiths. There is a condition though. All citizens must accept Pakistan as an Islamic Republic in order to be protected by the constitution.
How about people who do not accept Pakistan as an Islamic Republic and believe in atheist/secular ideologies? Are they really loyal to our founding principles and sovereignty ? Are they still entitled to remain the citizen of the Islamic Republic of Pakistan ? Don't they pose serious national security threats to our country ?
We must answer these existantial questions. There is no economy without clearly defined sovereignty. People who propose alternative ideologies such as secular/atheist and ethnic nationalism, they are clear and present danger to the national security of Pakistan. They will not hesitate to collaborate with foreign powers to undermine the national security. Government security apparatus must deal with these dangerous people accordingly.

Anyone who is not loyal to their Creator can't be loyal to anyone else, not even their own selves (Period).

I was born in an Islamic family and was raised by Islamic minded parents.
Performed Haj at the age of 4 (lol)
Practised Islam till the age of 15 however I could.
And then stopped.
Now, the question is, am I loyal to my parents? Do I still love them?
If you get the answer of that, you'll get the answer about patriotism too, hopefully.

You are not loyal to your Creator. While the sole purpose of your existence is to worship your Creator.
Should I take your loyalty to anyone or anything else seriously, or expect you to show strength of spirit in times of need or depend on you as a person? No.

Of course they are. Pakistan became an Islamic Republic in 1973. Those alive before then were still Pakistani. Faith is a matter for individuals. The ones who have damaged this country the most declared themselves Amir ul momineen.

Pakistan was an Islamic state from its conception. It was a state sought for Muslims and for practicing Islam, while offering freedom to non Muslims in their practice and devotion to their faith.
Only ignorants who lack understanding of Islam, and that of the struggle of Pakistan will say otherwise.

 

[Longhorn]

have three months to leave or convert just like the Quran says

We can safely assume that you are piece of fascist scum.
People like you are what gives Islam and Muslims a bad name.

 

[War Thunder]

have three months to leave or convert just like the Quran says

Quran does not say any such thing. Let's not associate stupidity with Quran in our ignorance?
What is an Islamic state that defies Islam by wanting its non Muslim citizens to convert or leave? Can one convert or become a Muslim just for the fear of losing their homeland? Is that how Islam works?
Educate yourself please.

 

[Pan-Islamic-Pakistan]

have three months to leave or convert just like the Quran says

Just for my personal knowledge, can you point out where in the Quran that is?

 

[War Thunder]

Task complete

So his talk of "morality" or "modesty" is somehow problematic for you?
I understand he is carrying a bit of an extremist mindset, and lacks good understanding of Islam. But quoting his comment which is solely talking about lack of morality and modesty being the factors for not wanting to be in US, which any Muslim should have in their mind. That shows up as a problem?

 

[Pan-Islamic-Pakistan]

Task complete .

I expect this of Indians. I did not expect this of another Pakistani.

Mods, please look into personal threatening posters with legal action. This is never acceptable.

 

[Baby Leone]

what a stupid question lol

what once faith or sexuality has to do with loyalty to state or someone?

if i am Gay does that mean i am not loyal to my country or my faith?

 

[Vasher]

Personally I am super pissed that we are arguing over such a dumb fuking argument. Who the **** the gives you the right to determine someone else's loyalty. If you dumb plebs might have taken the inconvenience of studying Islamic history you wud know that even after the conquest of Damascus or almost any city which contained a majority of Christians, Jews, Zoroastrians. The population density was around 90 to 10 in Muslims and non muslims
And it did not change up to 100 years or so. Even though the cities remained a part of Riasat-e-Madina.

If your faith or national integrity is jeopardized by a few seculars or atheist. Then motherfucker you should just give up cause life is way harder than that.

 

[Pan-Islamic-Pakistan]

I understand he is carrying a bit of an extremist mindset, and lacks good understanding of Islam

I think so as well, he is just young and has some preconceived notions. Nothing that a little bit of time and experience can't cure.

We must be patient with our people, we are building the next generation of Pakistani minds.

 

[SQ8]

So his talk of "morality" or "modesty" is somehow problematic for you?
I understand he is carrying a bit of an extremist mindset, and lacks good understanding of Islam. But quoting his comment which is solely talking about lack of morality and modesty being the factors for not wanting to be in US, which any Muslim should have in their mind. That shows up as a problem?

Yes it does. This it where it starts.

I expect this of Indians. I did not expect this of another Pakistani.

Mods, please look into personal threatening posters with legal action. This is never acceptable.

Always is - I have no need to sit by and let another Faisal Shahzad forment.
Take your case wherever you wish.

 

[Old School]

Well, I guess this post wasn't bold enough. Here comes the next course of action .
The constitution of 1973 already bars any non Muslim/ atheist from becoming the president and PM of Pakistan. It should also add military service to the pre-requisites to become an MNA, the PM and the president of Islamic Republic of Pakistan. No one should be allowed to become an MNA and the head of the government who never served the armed forces even for a brief period.
It is also very ironic that secular nationalists who regularly preach the poison of xenophobia and racial hatred/supremacy , can not tolerate Islam which never allows any form of racism.

 

[Pan-Islamic-Pakistan]

Always is - I have no need to sit by and let another Faisal Shahzad forment.
Take your case wherever you wish.

Who made you judge, jury, executioner? What right do you have to threaten someone for their personal views about the country in which they live.

I also find US society immoral and decadent, does that put me on your radar too?

He is a young kid with some wrong ideas, we can teach him with wisdom. If not, he will be banned soon.