Archaeologists confirm Indian civilization is 2000 years older than previou

[Hellraiser007]

Who said Aryans only lived in mountins?
once again you guys are just making stuff up and then point to made up stuff and jumping up and down loudly saying "ARYAN INVASION IS BRITISH PROPOGANDA"

And why can't language along be the basis?
Language is history, culture and communication.

Let me give you an example.
Let's say all humans went extinct on earth and aliens came an looked through our history. In an area called India they will find Hindu/Urud/bengali etc ebing spoken untill 1850, but then after that they found this starnage language in India that is very similar to this language spoken on an Island thousans of km away.

What can the Aliens conclude from this?

(hint: someone from that Island must have gone to India)




Don't have a choice about what?
Yes, they are unsure about it, but then again Science is still unsure about gravity.



oh boy...do you want me to get you your tinfoil hat as well?

you know science doesn't have a skin color right?
A white person is just as capable as a brown one when it come to finding evidence and making hypothesis.

And yet India has lot of ethnic people who speak Hindi, language alone cannot define civilization and ethnic people.

Can you define the term Aryan??

What are there physical traits ??

 

[curioususer]

Don't have a choice about what?
Yes, they are unsure about it, but then again Science is still unsure about gravity.

They don't have a choice but to accept that stupid theory(Aryan). What is the outside proof about it? Why did it become accepted during the time of Nazis, why wasn't it accepted as truth before that?

 

[Rusty]

And yet India has lot of ethnic people who speak Hindi, language alone cannot define civilization and ethnic people.

Can you define the term Aryan??

What are there physical traits ??

huh?

It is abundantly clear that you are illequipped to have a discussion based on science and evidence, which is why you just ignore what I say and make cheap comments.
Now I don't blame you for your ignorance, but it does make you look silly so just thought you ought to know.


as for the definition, Aryans are a group of people who are thought to have come from central Asia.
that is most we can say about them without going into loony toons land.

 

[Rusty]

They don't have a choice but to accept that stupid theory(Aryan). What is the outside proof about it? Why did it become accepted during the time of Nazis, why wasn't it accepted as truth before that?

Are you kidding me?
Buddy, Science isn't like India
no one will burn you for believing in something that is diffident.
Now I understand that your vary identity is based on denying Aryan invasion, but that doesn't change the facts.

There is absolulty no difference between you Hindus who deny the Aryan invasion and Christans who deny evolution.

And you want proof outside science? well I saw this magic act where a guy pulled a coin from his ear, maybe you can ask him.

The Nazis thought the Aryans were the original white people, the pure blood, but of course they were wrong.
And it was accepted as truth before, your Vedas even called the Aryans the noble people.

 

[curioususer]

huh?

It is abundantly clear that you are illequipped to have a discussion based on science and evidence, which is why you just ignore what I say and make cheap comments.
Now I don't blame you for your ignorance, but it does make you look silly so just thought you ought to know.


as for the definition, Aryans are a group of people who are thought to have come from central Asia.
that is most we can say about them without going into loony toons land.

What part of your discussion is based of science and evidence? You are the one who is ignorant of a term which is such an intimate part of our religion. We don't believe in Hitler's and West's propaganda that 'Aryans' came from central Asia. It is such non-sense, it is similar to a beggar going into a rich person's house and hearing the rich person's servant refer to his master in some lofty words, and this beggar having never treated like became interested in it and decided to use it to refer to himself. That is how silly the whole thing is.

Are you kidding me?
Buddy, Science isn't like India
no one will burn you for believing in something that is diffident.
Now I understand that your vary identity is based on denying Aryan invasion, but that doesn't change the facts.

There is absolulty no difference between you Hindus who deny the Aryan invasion and Christans who deny evolution.

And you want proof outside science? well I saw this magic act where a guy pulled a coin from his ear, maybe you can ask him.

The Nazis thought the Aryans were the original white people, the pure blood, but of course they were wrong.
And it was accepted as truth before, your Vedas even called the Aryans the noble people.

You see silly, Vedas doesn't call 'Aryans' noble, it uses a Sanskrit word which means 'noble' to refer to themselves.

 

[Hellraiser007]

The link below (pg 5-6) explains the significance.

http://www.breakthrough-india.org/archives/saraswati.pdf

The river which the Rigveda is talking about is dried up and changed course due to tectonic plate shift.

This is an article which was written in 2001.

The recent discoveries of civilization along the banks of Saraswathi river(as described in vedas) throw some new light.

Below are the links of latest news after the excavation and finding of the civilization.

Recent Research on the Sarasvati River

huh?

It is abundantly clear that you are illequipped to have a discussion based on science and evidence, which is why you just ignore what I say and make cheap comments.
Now I don't blame you for your ignorance, but it does make you look silly so just thought you ought to know.


as for the definition, Aryans are a group of people who are thought to have come from central Asia.
that is most we can say about them without going into loony toons land.

This is the real meaning of aryan. It is not a race or place.

For example, the term `Arya' (Aryan) be-
ing applied on the Vedic tribes has created
a lot of confusion among the scholars as
well as common people. `Aryan' in modern
usage refers to a very large family of lan-
guages, also called Indo-European family,
spread almost all over the world. It does not
connote any particular ethnic or racial com-
munity. In the conventional sense, taken
from the Vedic parlance, it means `great',
`noble', `powerful', `higher-caste born', etc.
There is no harm if the Vedic tribes call
themselves great, noble, powerful, etc. or to
place themselves higher in their own caste-
scale. Who does not want to occupy the
higher places?

 

[Rusty]

What part of your discussion is based of science and evidence? You are the one who is ignorant of a term which is such an intimate part of our religion. We don't believe in Hitler's and West's propaganda that 'Aryans' came from central Asia. It is such non-sense, it is similar to a beggar going into a rich person's house and hearing the rich person's servant refer to his master in some lofty words, and this beggar having never treated like became interested in it and decided to use it to refer to himself. That is how silly the whole thing is.



You see silly, Vedas doesn't call 'Aryans' noble, it uses a Sanskrit word which means 'noble' to refer to themselves.

and this the crux of the problem, this is a religious issue for you people.
Just like evolution is a religion issue for christens.
so you people have to expect to be treated just like creationist christans when it come to this.
It's fine if you want believe what ever you want to, but once you start arguing with no facts then you will be put in your place.

The river which the Rigveda is talking about is dried up and changed course due to tectonic plate shift.

This is an article which was written in 2001.

The recent discoveries of civilization along the banks of Saraswathi river(as described in vedas) throw some new light.

Below are the links of latest news after the excavation and finding of the civilization.

Recent Research on the Sarasvati River


This is the real meaning of aryan. It is not a race or place.

For example, the term `Arya' (Aryan) be-
ing applied on the Vedic tribes has created
a lot of confusion among the scholars as
well as common people. `Aryan' in modern
usage refers to a very large family of lan-
guages, also called Indo-European family,
spread almost all over the world. It does not
connote any particular ethnic or racial com-
munity. In the conventional sense, taken
from the Vedic parlance, it means `great',
`noble', `powerful', `higher-caste born', etc.
There is no harm if the Vedic tribes call
themselves great, noble, powerful, etc. or to
place themselves higher in their own caste-
scale. Who does not want to occupy the
higher places?

that is fine, but the early linguists named these people the Aryans after going through the literature.
It doesn't matter if they are called the Aryans or the Aliens.
But can we at least agree that the Aryans were noble

 

[Hellraiser007]

and this the crux of the problem, this is a religious issue for you people.
Just like evolution is a religion issue for christens.
so you people have to expect to be treated just like creationist christans when it come to this.
It's fine if you want believe what ever you want to, but once you start arguing with no facts then you will be put in your place.



that is fine, but the early linguists named these people the Aryans after going through the literature.
It doesn't matter if they are called the Aryans or the Aliens.
But can we at least agree that the Aryans were noble

@Rusty you can also become a noble if you want to ascend to a good status in your society.

 

[curioususer]

and this the crux of the problem, this is a religious issue for you people.
Just like evolution is a religion issue for christens.
so you people have to expect to be treated just like creationist christans when it come to this.
It's fine if you want believe what ever you want to, but once you start arguing with no facts then you will be put in your place.


that is fine, but the early linguists named these people the Aryans after going through the literature.
It doesn't matter if they are called the Aryans or the Aliens.
But can we at least agree that the Aryans were noble

No, how did it become a religious issue? Earliest usage of a word sounding similar to present day 'Aryan' is found in Vedas. Those linguists were wrong when they started using it to refer to themselves? Created a race out of thin air.

 

[Rusty]

@Rusty you can also become a noble if you want to ascend to a good status in your society.

I already have a great status in society thanks

 

[Black Widow]

Originally Posted by Hellraiser007
The ice age itself ended some 10000 years ago how can rivers do not change course or dry up with the affects of ice melting.

You are right. Earth has seen many Ice ages(4 known). The last Ice age ends sometime near 10,000BC. The last ice age was smallest.

During Ice age mean sea level go down. This is the time when India-Lanka was connected thru land bridge, Japan -Korea were connected thru land mass. These was the time when human migrated to American landmass (through baltic sea bridge).

One such civilization found near Gujrat , It is twice of size of manhattan city.. The City was submerged at the end of Ice age, the Ice melted and submerged the city.

If we consider Ice age ended at 10,000 BC, the city has to be at least 10,000 year old.. If we go by speculation, the city has to be 20-25,000 BC old..

This is who we are, this is what our civilization is....

We don't believe in some stupid Aryan theory...

 

[Rusty]

No, how did it become a religious issue? Earliest usage of a word sounding similar to present day 'Aryan' is found in Vedas. Those linguists were wrong when they started using it to refer to themselves? Created a race out of thin air.

You just said it was a religious issue....now it's not?
Make up your mind.

once again, making up "facts" and then disproving them.....yep a creationist tactic for sure.

Just a heads up, if would be better if you actually read the Aryan invasion theroy form linguists themselves not www.IhatePakistanandanyonewhodoesntbelivethevedasbutIreallyreallyloveeverythingbaharat.com

 

[curioususer]

You just said it was a religious issue....now it's not?
Make up your mind.

once again, making up "facts" and then disproving them.....yep a creationist tactic for sure.

Just a heads up, if would be better if you actually read the Aryan invasion theroy form linguists themselves not www.IhatePakistanandanyonewhodoesntbelivethevedasbutIreallyreallyloveeverythingbaharat.com

Link not opening.

I said it is intimately connected with our religion. Not a religious issue.

 

[Rusty]

You are right. Earth has seen many Ice ages(4 known). The last Ice age ends sometime near 10,000BC. The last ice age was smallest.

During Ice age mean sea level go down. This is the time when India-Lanka was connected thru land bridge, Japan -Korea were connected thru land mass. These was the time when human migrated to American landmass (through baltic sea bridge).

One such civilization found near Gujrat , It is twice of size of manhattan city.. The City was submerged at the end of Ice age, the Ice melted and submerged the city.

If we consider Ice age ended at 10,000 BC, the city has to be at least 10,000 year old.. If we go by speculation, the city has to be 20-25,000 BC old..

This is who we are, this is what our civilization is....

We don't believe in some stupid Aryan theory...

no one said you have to believe in anything, this is not India, you wont' be sent to jail for 7 years for doing something the majority doesn't like.

You can believe in what ever you want, but if you want to talk about it in public then be prepared to be put in your place.
You have the right to believe what you want, but I have the right to not believe it and confront you when you start talking about it in public

Link not opening.

I said it is intimately connected with our religion. Not a religious issue.

link was a joke :/

And intimately connected with religion but not a religious issue.... must be using that special Indian dictionary again.

 

[Hellraiser007]

You are right. Earth has seen many Ice ages(4 known). The last Ice age ends sometime near 10,000BC. The last ice age was smallest.

During Ice age mean sea level go down. This is the time when India-Lanka was connected thru land bridge, Japan -Korea were connected thru land mass. These was the time when human migrated to American landmass (through baltic sea bridge).

One such civilization found near Gujrat , It is twice of size of manhattan city.. The City was submerged at the end of Ice age, the Ice melted and submerged the city.

If we consider Ice age ended at 10,000 BC, the city has to be at least 10,000 year old.. If we go by speculation, the city has to be 20-25,000 BC old..

This is who we are, this is what our civilization is....

We don't believe in some stupid Aryan theory...

What ever things we have read in the ancient scriptures we need to back them with solid evidences mate. Hope we will find the link between the lost civilization and current civilization.