ARABIC language to be POPULARIZED in Pakistan

[fna]

One of my brothers some how opted for urdu for.class 10th exams .
With just 3 months remaining that fellow was distressed .
He learned the language and passed the Urdu paper with good marks , highest in languages that is .
So if a average noob can learn Urdu in 3 months from scratch , it must not be a very hard language i guess .

not true imo, probably an advantage coming from hindi.
I studied a bit of into classical arabic and its more documented, like what form a verb/noun is as a subject vs object etc.
I dont remember learning any such roles in urdu, during grade school. It was just absorbing from environment.
e.g.

kursian idhar lao ( bring the chairs here)
kursioon per baitho (sit on the chairs).

I cant tell you what rule is governing to use 1 form of plural of chairs vs the others.
If I switch the forms of plural in the above sentence, I would get laughed at as a noob, cos it is incorrect, but I dont know the rule governing that.

so I can imagine it being difficult for someone with no hindi/arabic/persian background.

 

[Mahabahu kaunteya]

Knowing Hindi gives you a huge head start. Standard Urdu and Standard Hindi are very different from each other but the normal Urdu and Hindi(which is spoken in Delhi and UP) are extremely similar. Which part of India are you from?

Maharashtra, heheh .
Here neither hindi is spoken nor urdu .
Though special muslim schools are there where they teach urdu , and for class 10th you can choose marathi, hindi sanskrit urdu other than english for your language paper .
That idiot ( my brother) chose urdu ,he had to pass .
He passed and now inadvertently knows Urdu.
Only one in our family

Shrimaan , he passed
Good for him. Though Iam sure he is not very good in urdu either.
He passed , 35 is passing marks .
Bande ko 60 milgya, yes hindi advantage is there

not true imo, probably an advantage coming from hindi.
I studied a bit of into classical arabic and its more documented, like what form a verb/noun is as a subject vs object etc.
I dont remember learning any such roles in urdu, during grade school. It was just absorbing from environment.
e.g.

kursian idhar lao ( bring the chairs here)
kursioon per baitho (sit on the chairs).

I cant tell you what rule is governing to use 1 form of plural of chairs vs the others.
If I switch the forms of plural in the above sentence, I would get laughed at as a noob, cos it is incorrect, but I dont know the rule governing that.

so I can imagine it being difficult for someone with no hindi/arabic/persian background.

 

[Corruptistan]

And contrary to popular belief, most foreign-originated vocabulary in Urdu and Hindi derives from Arabic. Many of the words that we regard as being Persian in origin are actually Arabic-derived Persian words. The problem is that many of those words have got a new meaning in Urdu/Hindi compared to the original Arabic versions.

اثراللغۃالعربیةفیاللغۃالأزدیۃ(مصطلحاتالقانونالباکستانینموذجا)
Influences of Arabic Language upon Urdu Language:

http://journals.uop.edu.pk/papers/Influences%20of%20Arabic.pdf

I honestly don't want to associate these countries as 'one' or 'arab'. If there is a true Arab among all of these its the Saudis, Emaratis, Qataris and Yemenis. The others have a unique culture and goes back thousands of years before Arab nationalism, which is essentially language nationalism.

I just can't see a Syrian or Lebanese looking like a Moroccan or a Saudi. They simply have different features and you can spot them.

Now of course there will be some influences and that's human nature. For example the Syrians and Lebanese have Turkish cultural influences because of Ottoman Empire. If you just look at their food Shawarma came from Doner. Doner means meat on a wheel. Its a pure nomadic food that came from Central Asian Turks. Similarly Borek came from Greece and the Balkans later adopted by Ottomans and Levantine Arabs etc, etc

All of those people are Semitic people originally and Afro-Asiatic speaking peoples. Neighbors as well. DNA tests today also confirm that they cluster very closely. The idea of "true Arabs" does not exist. Yemenis for instance were Arabized not long before Islam. As for looks, they have similar facial features and characteristics and are all mostly olive skinned/brown people with great diversity in every Arab country from outright pale to Afro-Arabs (particularly in North Africa).

Kebab is a Semitic word so it implies an local origin. Arabic cuisine also shares great similarities from Morocco to Oman. Arabs have their own shared language, culture, history, DNA/genetics, geography, phenotypes etc. They have far more in common than what separates them.

And there is a lot of diversity/dialects/regional cultures within every single Arab country. A Moroccan from Tangier is not the same as a Moroccan from Marrakech. A Saudi Arabian from Najran is different from a Saudi Arabian from Tabuk. An Egyptian from Sinai is different from an Egyptian from Luxor etc. A Han Chinese from Guangzhou is not the same as one from Beijing. We can do that with every country in the world and peoples.

If we use your logic, we can separate people in every single country. An Iranian from Tabriz is not the same as an Iranian from Shiraz or Kerman. A Turk from Istanbul is different from a Turk in Adana. A Brit from Cornwall is not the same as a Brit from Newcastle. A Spaniard from Barcelona is not the same as a Spaniard from Sevilla. An Italian from Turin is not similar to an Italian from Sicily.

And where do we even start with ourselves (Pakistanis)?

 

[Mahabahu kaunteya]

In india , just 3 years back there was the option that you could write civil service exams in farsi .
Although urdu is still there ,
But farsi was Redacted later , as there was not a single student who chose to write in farsi .
It takes courage to write a 3000 word essay in farsi on vague topics.
Plus farsi was there for 70 years , as an option .
Slowly farsi speaking students who wrote paper in the language dwindled and later on came to shunya or zero
Hence it was a waste of resources to print papers in farsi and pay farsi teachers to check the answer books

 

[Corruptistan]

In india , just 3 years back there was the option that you could write civil service exams in farsi .
Although urdu is still there ,
But farsi was Redacted later , as there was not a single student who chose to write in farsi .
It takes courage to write a 3000 word essay in farsi on vague topics.

Only due to the tiny Parsi community otherwise nobody speaks Farsi in either India or Pakistan.

Farsi is spoken in Iran and Tajik language (spoken in Tajikistan) is a Farsi dialect closely related to the Dari/Farsi spoken in Afghanistan among the ethnic Afghan Tajiks.

 

[Mahabahu kaunteya]

Only due to the tiny Parsi community otherwise nobody speaks Farsi in either India or Pakistan.

Hehe sir ji , government of India pays parsi couples to produce kids under jio parsi scheme .
We literally pay them to have kids , lol and no I have heard them , they speak gujrati language atleast in Maharashtra.
Farsi in india is centred in lucknow , and hyderabad. Old shia centers which are
The language dwindled , although urdu flourishes
What makes you think parsis speak persian?
They speak mostly a hoch poch of gujrati hindi and English.

Overall good decision for pakistan in my opinion .
People might have issues with accepting urdu ( iam just assuming, not arguing. Just assuming so don't boil your blood for this remark of mine )
But arabic is like sanskrit for you folks , the language of your religion, which every body shall accept.
Just standardize the syllabus though , Infact its a great decision and will give immense benefits to Pakistanis in future .
1) those who go to Gulf to work
2) a common language. , of Islam and brother hood
3) profit . And many more things
Its a right thing, i can't find any issues with this.
Plus not hard to find teachers for the same.

 

[AZADPAKISTAN2009]

I prefer Turkish/Arabic/Chinese as optional credits High School and University
This is where Pakistan's future lies

1- Chinese
2- Turkish
3- Arabic
4- English (Is already Mandatory)

 

[Corruptistan]

Hehe sir ji , government of India pays parsi couples to produce kids under jio parsi scheme .
We literally pay them to have kids , lol and no I have heard them , they speak gujrati language atleast in Maharashtra.
Farsi in india is centred in lucknow , and hyderabad. Old shia centers which are
The language dwindled , although urdu flourishes
What makes you think parsis speak persian?
They speak mostly a hoch poch of gujrati hindi and English.

Overall good decision for pakistan in my opinion .
People might have issues with accepting urdu ( iam just assuming, not arguing. Just assuming so don't boil your blood for this remark of mine )
But arabic is like sanskrit for you folks , the language of your religion, which every body shall accept.
Just standardize the syllabus though , Infact its a great decision and will give immense benefits to Pakistanis in future .
1) those who go to Gulf to work
2) a common language. , of Islam and brother hood
3) profit . And many more things
Its a right thing, i can't find any issues with this.
Plus not hard to find teachers for the same.

I have never heard about any Farsi speakers in India outside of Parsi people who apparently don't speak Farsi according to you. Are you not confusing those Muslim communities with the Yemeni Arab communities in Hyderabad or the Chaush?

Chaush - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

Close-knit Arab community made Hyderabad home since 17th century | Hyderabad News - Times of India

From Yemen and Saudi Arabia, Arab families in the Old City call Barkas their home as the community of over three lakh people continue to live there si

timesofindia.indiatimes.com

The Shia you are talking about are probably also the Dawoodi Bohra community whose spiritual leaders are Yemeni in origin.

Dawoodi Bohra - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

If I recall we have one Pakistani user here who calls himself @hydrabadi_arab . Many of our Muhajir claim Arab ancestry but not sure how genuine this is.

I prefer Turkish/Arabic/Chinese as optional credits High School and University
This is where Pakistan's future lies

1- Chinese
2- Turkish
3- Arabic
4- English (Is already Mandatory)

Chinese and Arabic makes sense because they are world languages and in the case of Arabic it is also our liturgic language and the language of Islam, not to mention that our largest diaspora is based in the Arab world, a huge potential market (Arab world), cultural, religious and linguistic ties already (Arabic having influenced Urdu and all of our native languages to a bigger and a smaller degree), but Turkish? Not sure about the logic behind that when it is only spoken in Turkey, a tiny market in comparison.

Anyway our local languages and English should be a priority. Other languages should be optional but if I had to chose 2 additional languages to learn it would only be Arabic and Mandarin (Chinese). But nothing stops anyone from learning as many languages as they want to. The more languages you speak the better.

 

[_NOBODY_]

I prefer Turkish/Arabic/Chinese as optional credits High School and University
This is where Pakistan's future lies

1- Chinese
2- Turkish
3- Arabic
4- English (Is already Mandatory)

Learning Turkish has no use for Pakistanis who don't want to immigrate to Turkey. Learning Mandarin and Arabic on the other hand have immense benefits, especially Mandarin.

 

[VCheng]

Why not? It was Arabs who preserved Greek philosophy. Also, why can't you handle anything nice about Arabs? You slander Arabs every opportunity you get on this forum. Also, who made you the spokesperson of all the Greeks and Christians in the world?

Forget Persian. There is a reason Arabic is one of the six official languages in UN:

Official Languages | United Nations

Multilingualism enables communication between the UN's linguistically and culturally diverse Member States within the meeting rooms and halls of the UN.

www.un.org

 

[AZADPAKISTAN2009]

I am Pro Ertagul/Turkish that is the Islamic culture I believe was closer to what Islam really was
> Focused on Education
> Focused on Arts
> Focused on Humanities (Social Work, Local Societies)
> Focused on clean buildings / beautiful mosiac and gardens
> There were Poets / Song Writers / Musicians

I believe the version of Islam introduced in 17-18th Century was distinctly selected by British and selected specifically in Arabia

Today in Saudia we do see a Drive to reverse whatever was implemented in Arabia
Prince Salman is gradually Opening up society


Pakistan imported the Saudi Brand in 80's
However we really need to be more inline with what is in Turkey


I find Turkish People's way to think about Social Matters and Life are close to what Pakistan is at heart
> Education
> Jobs
> Work Life Balance
> Thoughts about Music and Art
> And they have tremendous food choices which Tik Tok has exposed to me I wish I could try these one day


It is important to know Turkish as it helps bridge the gap with great people

Arabic is something we all knows as we Study Quran

Chinese of course is Language for Future


Arabs are wonderful People I have lived close to them but I find they are not open to outsiders
even if you do now their language however if you do manage to get into their inner circle they can be quite friendly people


I have seen the Wahabi Islam closely and personally not big fan what they do


Recently when I grew understanding with Persian / Saudi dislike it became even more apparent

Pakistani are more close to Turkish or Iranian people in their behavior

But like I said Saudia is changing

 

[_NOBODY_]

Forget Persian. There is a reason Arabic is one of the six official languages in UN:

Official Languages | United Nations

Multilingualism enables communication between the UN's linguistically and culturally diverse Member States within the meeting rooms and halls of the UN.

www.un.org

Sir, I believe you mistakenly quoted my post.

 

[Edevelop]

I am Pro Ertagul/Turkish that is the Islamic culture I believe was closer to what Islam really was

I believe the version of Islam introduced in 17-18th Century was distinctly selected by British

I have a lot of Turkish friends and they tell me only few Turks have watched that tv series. Only Pakistanis and Arabs are obsessed over it. Now coming to your subject whether it is a true depiction of Islam or not. I would say yes but you have to understand that although Islam is one religion the cultural elements associated with it vary from region to region. There will always be a distinction between "Arab" and "Ajam"

 

[VCheng]

Sir, I believe you mistakenly quoted my post.

No, I quoted your post in support of your comments about the post you had replied to.

Besides, clearly Pakistan needs more Arabization, and promoting the language can only help.

 

[Corruptistan]

I am Pro Ertagul/Turkish that is the Islamic culture I believe was closer to what Islam really was
> Focused on Education
> Focused on Arts
> Focused on Humanities (Social Work, Local Societies)

I believe the version of Islam introduced in 17-18th Century was distinctly selected by British and selected specifically in Arabia

Today in Saudia we do see a Drive to reverse whatever was implemented in Arabia

You do realize that the Islamic Golden Age occurred under the rule of Arabs, right? Whether in Baghdad (Abbasid) or the Umayyads in Al-Andalus. It was during this time that the Muslim Caliphates were by far the largest in terms of size, population, influence, power, economy etc.

On the other hand science under the Ottomans was incredibly sparesome in comparison. Ertagul or whatever it is called (never watched it) is fiction and PR stunt like most of such modern-day TV series.

As for local backwardness etc. in Pakistan, it has nothing to do with any outside influence, it is a "made in Pakistan" problem. When a girl caught with a phone is stoned to death in KPK by illiterate village mobs it is not the fault of any outsiders. When Sardars employ local slaves in Baluchistan and Sindh, it is not an outside influence. I could go on forever, as the list is endless. Pakistan has failed as a country because Pakistanis have failed as a people and because of our LACK OF EDUCATION.

I have a lot of Turkish friends and they tell me only few Turks have watched that tv series. Only Pakistanis and Arabs are obsessed over it. Now coming to your subject whether it is a true depiction of Islam or not. I would say yes but you have to understand that although Islam is one religion the cultural elements associated with it vary from region to region. There will always be a distinction between "Arab" and "Ajam"

I don't think that Arabs are obsessed about anything Ottoman related. If they are, they are quite ignorant of their own history. This Ertugal obsession is mostly a South Asian Muslim phenomenon. I have not seen it among any other people. And that too only among the ignorant lot who don't know Islamic history.