Any Valid Reason to Hate Doctor Tahirul Qadri as a Visionary Politician?

[Zhukov]

The top Sunni Sufi scholars in Pakistan reject Dr Tahr Jhangvi, as an unqualified person who has tricked Pakistanis in believing he is qualified. Dr Tahir makes basic mistakes in Arabic, and does not even know proper Aqeedah. He also believes in Sulah Kulliyat. Scholars in Pakistan actively informing the public about him include Shah Tarab ul Haq Qadiri in Karachi, Shaykh Okarvi Noorani in Kasur and many others.

Do any of the current politicians have more knowledge then Tahirul Qadri? Yes?
He is not asking to take his beit and be his mureed.
Discuss him as a politician with reforms agenda. Nothing more please on topic only

 

[Sedqal]

My God you wrote so much but without anything relevant?
Again Beating the bush of Election Democracy seats where as it has been answered 100 times that We need Party Listing Elections instead of Electorates as Legislative body and Indipendent Non political local Bodies as Administrative units. I bet you havent read a single TUQ book about the Politics and system. If you had read you should never repeat this election bullshit again. Nothing in your comment is worth answering. Everything illogical from Taliban to "No one reads his books" to elections and to "He dont write his books himself" type of arguments.
You dont know a single thing about how people are elected in Pakistan my dear friend. Your PHD wont help you understand grass root politics here i am sorry to say.

I gave clear reasons why he is a bad choice and how Pakistani public has rejected him time after time. I can't really fathom what you mean by relevant? His track record of failure as a politician is not relevant? Public rejection of his campaigns is not relevant? The fact that dozens of other Mullahs/ Peers will try the same tactic if Qadri successfully pulls it is not relevant? If neither his history nor his tactics are relevant pray tell what exactly is relevant.

 

[xyxmt]

Are you living in a kufr/ la-deni state UK ? there is a choice to move back to Pakistan.



in Canada they think the same

in those Kufr/la-deni states they let me pray however I want, they dont label me kafir for raising my hands on takbir. There was a park behind our house in Karachi where a laborer will come after lunch to pray Zukhar namaz and he would raise his hands on every takbir (they would call them wahabi i think), someone told our imam-e-masjid (an educated from Deoband with Alim degree), Imam instructed all his student to throw stones at him when he is praying!!!
you want us to come back to that muslim/deeni Pakistan?

you seriously need to expand your horizon, educate yourself, open your mind, dont raise children to become more of you.

 

[Zhukov]

in Pakistan if you tell someone to move you are standing in the middle of the road and a bus will crush you, he would think oh maybe he wants to stand in my place, maybe there is gold under where I am standing and he wants all for him self, maybe hmm maybe ....his last thought ohhhh mar gya bachaooooooo

Lolz Spot on..

 

[Zhukov]

I gave clear reasons why he is a bad choice and how Pakistani public has rejected him time after time. I can't really fathom what you mean by relevant? His track record of failure as a politician is not relevant? Public rejection of his campaigns is not relevant? The fact that dozens of other Mullahs/ Peers will try the same tactic if Qadri successfully pulls it is not relevant? If neither his history nor his tactics are relevant pray tell what exactly is relevant.

His Agenda. His Work on pointing out the problems in Pakistani Government system.
As per your "Failure Politician" and "Successful politician" logic goes You should praise Rana Sanaullah Saad Rafique and Haider Abbas Rizwi kind as they are very successfull politicians. Hats Off scholar

 

[Emmie]

Visionary leaders don't take asylum when threatened, cowards do..

Transcripts of a lecture, give it a read... Shaping a nation: Visionary leadership in a time of fear and uncertainty - Anniversary Events - Lecture by Professor Larissa Behrendt, 2007

 

[Sedqal]

His Agenda. His Work on pointing out the problems in Pakistani Government system.
As per your "Failure Politician" and "Successful politician" logic goes You should praise Rana Sanaullah Saad Rafique and Haider Abbas Rizwi kind as they are very successfull politicians. Hats Off scholar

Kindly go read agendas of all political parties, empty promises are easy to make. Name one legislation worth its salt when TuQ was in the NA. A single one!!! you won't find any.

If you seriously suggest that public sentiment does not matter then I don''t see any reason to further discuss the issue. TuQ can come to power against public wishes but so did many many dictators in past and Taliban right now.

 

[Fracker]

His Agenda. His Work on pointing out the problems in Pakistani Government system.
As per your "Failure Politician" and "Successful politician" logic goes You should praise Rana Sanaullah Saad Rafique and Haider Abbas Rizwi kind as they are very successfull politicians. Hats Off scholar

Dear, all "His Agenda", "His Pointing", goes away if you read first post by segal correctly.

If a guy, who write without reference or wrong reference, his work is considered as garbage in real world. When a Guy, use his So called "Religious" vision for His personal gains, "His Visible Agenda" has no value. A person who has been rejected by millions people (while not following his call of boycotting elections), his value to change those people's personal/social life is considered as Useless. These are called logical answers, which you failed to acknowledge.

 

[xyxmt]

Visionary leaders don't take asylum when threatened, cowards do..

Transcripts of a lecture, give it a read... Shaping a nation: Visionary leadership in a time of fear and uncertainty - Anniversary Events - Lecture by Professor Larissa Behrendt, 2007

Actually stupid people stay even when they know their is danger to their life, its a farz on every muslim to save their life. If projecting yourself as muslim puts you life in danger than Islam allows you to to hide it. i dont know who is teaching you people In Pakistan these days. Maybe its Larissa Behrendt

 

[Emmie]

Actually stupid people stay even when they know their is danger to their life, its a farz on every muslim to save their life. If projecting yourself as muslim puts you life in danger than Islam allows you to to hide it. i dont know who is teaching you people In Pakistan these days. Maybe its Larissa Behrendt.

Similarly wagging a war against odd/evil is farz. Seeing one side through religious prism and seeing another through ordinary is not a viable approach, two opposite things don't move on side by side, it's a basic principle. As they say , a friend indeed is a friend in need - a friend who hides out at the time of need doesn't fall in the category of friend and we are talking about visionary leader/politician who lead the nation from front.

Saving life in danger is sunnat not a farz I think. An expert can update us on this, anyone? Of course not Larissa.

 

[Luftwaffe]

Nooras are just as bad (not an N league fan at all), though atleast they themselves sit in Pakistan! Let's not even talk about Zardari , we all know the shit he is.

What a baloney noora sit in Pakistan hahaha...yeah that's why they have businesses in KSA, UK, U.A.E and Accounts in foreign lands. For me if their businesses and accounts are outside they are pretty much not in Pakistan as soon as their Gov is gone they would head outside until next election.

 

[Menace2Society]

Qadri has no policies, he is unable to sit with world leaders and make deals happen and bring investment in.

He is one big mouth, thats all he is. He belongs in a mosque, not government.

In war time he is creating mischief which can shatter the country. Selfish fool.

 

[Zhukov]

Qadri has no policies, he is unable to sit with world leaders and make deals happen and bring investment in.

He is one big mouth, thats all he is. He belongs in a mosque, not government.

In war time he is creating mischief which can shatter the country. Selfish fool.

Preceptions and personal Grudge again.
Next please

 

[Zhukov]

Dear, all "His Agenda", "His Pointing", goes away if you read first post by segal correctly.

If a guy, who write without reference or wrong reference, his work is considered as garbage in real world. When a Guy, use his So called "Religious" vision for His personal gains, "His Visible Agenda" has no value. A person who has been rejected by millions people (while not following his call of boycotting elections), his value to change those people's personal/social life is considered as Useless. These are called logical answers, which you failed to acknowledge.

1-You are no one to conclude who reads his books and who dont. And it is a stupid argument to reject a political leader that there are some mistakes in his bools
2-You have no basis to say he use religion for his personal gain. (Personal Grudge and self suppositions again)
3-As per your theory All who voted rejected him. Also means all who did not voted accepted him. And around 43% of registered voters did not vote. (Again Illogical).
4-If people some how fail to understand some one at certain point of time that means his struggle is useless (Should i laugh on it?)

So much for the logic i cannot understand

 

[Zhukov]

People this thread is not to show your emotions that how much you hate Tahirul Qadri. Stop spoiling the thread with your emotions.
Just discuss any valid reason for hating him as a Political Leader ( Not as Religious cleric because he is not calling anyone to accept his religious views, only his Political system is under consideration here)