Any threat to Pakistan's security will be taken as threat to Iran: Zarif

[Sine Nomine]

Lolwa deal made , you just gifted it like good obedient subject of King. Did your king offer you anything in return ?? Cowards

Ignorance in bliss but after interacting with some of Indian member's i come to know that it is vedic gift when in a nation you see 9 out 10 peoples total ignorant and fools on geo-stratgetic matters and defence but right know please educate yourself if butt hurt does not stop please apply burnol or take some Red Wine instead of Desi Daru.
"If you see the history of border disputes in the Kashmir region where China is involved its border has always been demarcated. In 1865 the British civil servant Johnson proposed the Johnson line which proposed adding most of Kashmir and areas on the other side of Karakoram to Indian Kashmir. No one notified the Chinese since they did not control the area at that time.

However in the late 1890's when the great game was in full swing the British had only one interest in the region; to restrict Russian influence. The Chinese and the British were formally allies. It was at this time that the British sent what was to be the last official communication sent to the Chinese on the border issues. That communication proposed a line; a demarcation on natural geographic borders. This was known as the Macartney-Macdonald line. The British thought that by giving the Chinese this tract it would present an additional complication politically and militarily to the Russians.

The Indians naturally upon independence jumped back to the Johnson line as the border. This was unnatural. The Indians had such little control and visibility past the natural geographical barriers that the Chinese built a 1200 km road in the fifties that India only found out about in 1958!

The Chinese point of view had consistently been that the last line advocated to them was the Macartney-Macdonald line. And that it also made sense as it was a geographical demarcation as well. China went to war with India on this. The Chinese won and kept the borders as per Macartney-Macdonald line. Although in the interest of fairness the Chinese fought only ill equipped Indian troops with their best troops and the moment the Indians mobilized their best troops the Chinese declared cease fire!

Why this long background is important for you is because the region in question that Pakistan ceded to China was known as the Trans Karakoram Tract. And this tract fell on the Chinese side as per the Macartney-Macdonald line. Thus for Pakistan it was the right decision to take as that was the line last communicated to the Chinese by the British and Pakistan after independence from the British was responsible for the treaties carried over. And this is why Pakistan took the decision to cede the territory. It was not to bring China in conflict with India. The decision to cede was taken in 1963. In 1962 the Chinese had already had a conflict with India which they had won. So that point becomes moot.

Lastly this was not only Pakistan ceding to China. The Chinese seceded land to Pakistan as well. The ratio was roughly 3 sq miles conceded by Pakistan for every 1 sq mile conceded by China.

You have to also understand that fundamentally most of the areas in question are among the most inhospitable places on Earth. You're not talking about a fertile prairie or plain here. And as conventional warfare is impossible the strategic advantage is limited. This means that whatever decision is taken, it is easier to take. Pakistan did not have a single official person present in the areas ceded."
Macartney–MacDonald Line - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
Sino-Pakistan Agreement - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
@waz please keep an eye on ignorant trolls.......

 

[SwAggeR]

Ignorance in bliss but after interacting with some of Indian member's i come to know that it is vedic gift when in a nation you see 9 out 10 peoples total ignorant and fools on geo-stratgetic matters and defence but right know please educate yourself if butt hurt does not stop please apply burnol or take some Red Wine instead of Desi Daru.
"If you see the history of border disputes in the Kashmir region where China is involved its border has always been demarcated. In 1865 the British civil servant Johnson proposed the Johnson line which proposed adding most of Kashmir and areas on the other side of Karakoram to Indian Kashmir. No one notified the Chinese since they did not control the area at that time.

However in the late 1890's when the great game was in full swing the British had only one interest in the region; to restrict Russian influence. The Chinese and the British were formally allies. It was at this time that the British sent what was to be the last official communication sent to the Chinese on the border issues. That communication proposed a line; a demarcation on natural geographic borders. This was known as the Macartney-Macdonald line. The British thought that by giving the Chinese this tract it would present an additional complication politically and militarily to the Russians.

The Indians naturally upon independence jumped back to the Johnson line as the border. This was unnatural. The Indians had such little control and visibility past the natural geographical barriers that the Chinese built a 1200 km road in the fifties that India only found out about in 1958!

The Chinese point of view had consistently been that the last line advocated to them was the Macartney-Macdonald line. And that it also made sense as it was a geographical demarcation as well. China went to war with India on this. The Chinese won and kept the borders as per Macartney-Macdonald line. Although in the interest of fairness the Chinese fought only ill equipped Indian troops with their best troops and the moment the Indians mobilized their best troops the Chinese declared cease fire!

Why this long background is important for you is because the region in question that Pakistan ceded to China was known as the Trans Karakoram Tract. And this tract fell on the Chinese side as per the Macartney-Macdonald line. Thus for Pakistan it was the right decision to take as that was the line last communicated to the Chinese by the British and Pakistan after independence from the British was responsible for the treaties carried over. And this is why Pakistan took the decision to cede the territory. It was not to bring China in conflict with India. The decision to cede was taken in 1963. In 1962 the Chinese had already had a conflict with India which they had won. So that point becomes moot.

Lastly this was not only Pakistan ceding to China. The Chinese seceded land to Pakistan as well. The ratio was roughly 3 sq miles conceded by Pakistan for every 1 sq mile conceded by China.

You have to also understand that fundamentally most of the areas in question are among the most inhospitable places on Earth. You're not talking about a fertile prairie or plain here. And as conventional warfare is impossible the strategic advantage is limited. This means that whatever decision is taken, it is easier to take. Pakistan did not have a single official person present in the areas ceded."
Macartney–MacDonald Line - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
Sino-Pakistan Agreement - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
@waz please keep an eye on ignorant trolls.......

@ﺹﺎﻨﻗ‎ ‎Good to know that that's inhospitable barren land that you claimed till 1962 as per McMohan delineated line as yours but after 1962 somehow sanity downed upon you and you agreed to part with it and accept Macartney-Macdonald line which China wanted. So , you played by their rules.If India had to do that then again war was not required but we stuck to McMohan line unlike you .::
But so is the Siachin barren and inhospitable, why is that a issue with you ??

 

[Pakistanisage]

And the reverse is true , also.

A threat to Iran's security is a threat to Pakistan.

And Iran knows that.

Didn't we just held our ground inspite of the pounding we received from our Arab Brothers for not joining their coalition against Iran in Yemen.

 

[SwAggeR]

And enlighten me area Aksai Chin which you mentioned in your opening post, falls where with respect to Macartney–MacDonald ??

And don't go crying to Mods, if you can rub in then get ready to be rubbed in.

 

[Sine Nomine]

But so is the Siachin barren and inhospitable, why is that a issue with you ??

China is our Allie you are our enemy,also Kashmir is occupied by India not china.

 

[SwAggeR]

China is our Allie you are our enemy,also Kashmir is occupied by India not china.

Lol , you can gift us Kashmir like China and we too becomes ally.

So don't you claim Aksai Chin ??

 

[Sine Nomine]

Lol , you can gift us Kashmir like China and we too becomes ally.

So don't you claim Aksai Chin ??

Why super power needs a gift come and take from Evil Jihadi Pakistan

 

[RazorMC]

His words are welcome, but also to be taken in the context of the gas pipeline.
They have already invested in the project and need Pakistan to do the same.

 

[AgNoStiC MuSliM]

Baloch and FATA insurgencies are all supported due to RAW presence in this area.

Again, Chabahar port isn't necessary for India to stoke insurgencies in FATA and Balochistan. The Indians are doing this out of Afghanistan, and they've managed to operate multiple consulates and run various projects without Chabahar so far.

The issue here is Afghan collusion (specifically Karzai, the NDS and ANA) with the Indians in supporting terrorism and insurgents, and not with an Iranian port. If the port was a requirement, the Indians wouldn't already have a massive presence in Afghanistan.

The 'enemy' here (so far) are NDS and ANA elements in Afghanistan, not Iran.

 

[SecularNationalist]

And india think they can circle pakistan by kissing irani a$$es

 

[Burhan Wani]

Again, Chabahar port isn't necessary for India to stoke insurgencies in FATA and Balochistan. The Indians are doing this out of Afghanistan, and they've managed to operate multiple consulates and run various projects without Chabahar so far.

The issue here is Afghan collusion (specifically Karzai, the NDS and ANA) with the Indians in supporting terrorism and insurgents, and not with an Iranian port. If the port was a requirement, the Indians wouldn't already have a massive presence in Afghanistan.

The 'enemy' here (so far) are NDS and ANA elements in Afghanistan, not Iran.

Why Iran supports India for kashmir cause?
Because majority Kashmir muslims and freedom fighters are sunnis?

 

[AgNoStiC MuSliM]

Why Iran supports India for kashmir cause?
Because majority Kashmir muslims and freedom fighters are sunnis?

Before we go into a different discussion (over Iran's policies on Kashmir), can we at least agree that Chabahar Port offers the Indians no advantage in exporting terror into FATA and Balochistan, given the fact that the Indians already have a massive presence in Afghanistan and collude with the NDS and ANA against Pakistan?

Now, with respect to Iran's policies on Kashmir, I don't believe their policies are influenced by Kashmir being Sunni majority, since Iran is the strongest backer of the Palestinian cause (Palestinians being Sunni primarily). The inclusion of Gilgit-Baltistan region into the J&K dispute also gives it a significant Shia demographic, which is another reason in my view that Iran's policies towards The Kashmir Dispute are not directly sectarian. I would consider Iran's Kashmir policies (and overall Pakistan policies) to be more of a means of balancing Pakistans close relationship with the Saudis.

 

[Serpentine]

Thanks to God, many forum members won't have any say in grand foreign policy matters of their countries. Just too much hostility.

 

[Musafir117]

Another bubble is burst in indian la la dream land, try to live in reality my indian friends Nepal and Bhutan is your allies ( may be? ) even BD spank on your butts some day and we have a great ally China other are just strategical friends including Iran no doubt the statement is great from neighbor muslim country.

 

[New Resolve]

We need to complete the pipeline and import more electricity from Iran on a urgent basis. The scope is huge specially in terms of Iranian trade with China going through Pakistan and traffic going the other way onto European Markets, Linkages.