Anti-headscarf Adana school principal suspended

[Killuminati]

The only thing i dont like is the fact that AKP the so called islamic party gets power from this. There is a injustice going on in Turkey we all know that. This injustice didnt brought by some kemalist ideology no.. This injustice brought from the western rulers in Turkey with the intention that their party (AKP) can win votes from this because they will show AKP as the saver that taking away injusticeses like this and my poor people will believe them.

Nobody has the right to thouch my sisters hijaabs in my country (Turkey). My grandmothers with hijaabs foughted and died(beeing shaheeds) for this country. And now people seeing hijaab as reactionary or outside the modern world? Man, really this thought disrespect our grandmothers that died for us. Its not the time we live, its just the people that handles without knowledge and without fair for Allah. Why you think our people is in this situation? Everybody lives in immorality almost. We are doomed to lose if we dont bring our culture and our religion in life.

When French bastards thouched the hijaab of my sister the whole city (Sanli Urfa) standed up and kicked them out of our lands. Why we dont have the imaan now to do this again? Why nobody defends our honorfull great religion?

Talking about democracy but putting limits on peoples wearing. So many hypocriet politics going on.

May Allah help us.

 

[Selim I]

It is not a major problem in Europe. The major problem in Europe is the people like you. What they wearing is not your business.

You haven't been in Europe once, yet you talk about Europe to a guy who lived in Europe his entire life. You intellegence is very low and by that reason you only grasped a quater of all my words - and that would be good odds.

You were saying it is up to their parents how to raise their daughters, now what happenned? It is OK for them to wear headscarf at age 10 but not skirt? If they are uncontrable so what? I'm sorry but what you are using is not common sense. There is a difference between naked woman and a woman who is wearing skirt, and the problem here is you can not seperate them.

It's parents choice, what happened to you? Why is it "ok" that a 10 year old is wearing miniskirts but suddenly wrong that a 10 year old is wearing hijab? You are super hijabiphobic, I am so glad that you see so many hijabis, they must be getting in your nerves.

Like i said people's conscience will set and are setting the limits.
You do not need religion to be civilized society.

Yes you do. Guys like you just proved that we indeed need religion, atheists like you have a very limited vision and narrow mind as we see it being demonstrated here clearly. Suddenly wearing hijab is wrong, even in a country with major Muslim population. What keeps you in Turkey by the way? All you wish and want is here in Europe, people are mostly atheist, and your viewpoint is not much different from theirs.
Probably you would ask me the same question, but I can reply to you before you ask. I was born in Denmark, but after I get my education my plans is living in Turkey, since the education system is better in Denmark, I think it's a proper choice to be graduated in Denmark.

 

[LegionnairE]

twelve pages, i didn't say a word. I am annoyed by this thread itself.

Politicians should be worried about what pepole eat, not what they wear.

I am a free man and i wear whatever the phuck i want to wear. Same goes for everyone in this country, so stop b!tchin'

 

[Targon]

Selim I, because religion is supporting free vision and free mind.

I didn't read all the comments, its of course the parents choice who can interfere it ? but its still morally wrong and plainly mind abusement, government should not ban this but neither should promote it.

 

[Developereo]

But can you (any of you) please explain me, what is logical or moral about forcing 10 year old kid to wear like a nun in the middle of summer. Why would you want to make her isolated from her friends. Why would you want to pump 'fear of Allah' in minds of 10 year old children?

You keep saying the same thing: "it is up to their parents to decide how to raise their children according to their cultures"... But you can not raise your children as a child-worker, state will not let you, even it is part of your culture. They are both abusement for children, simple as that.

It is your presupposition that putting on a headscarf amounts to child abuse comparable to child labor. We can take that analogy to include anything -- we can say teaching people to use knife/fork is child abuse, or teaching people to respect their elders is child abuse. Pick anything you don't like and claim that teaching that behavior to a child is abusing the child.

As for your concern about the headscarfed child feeling isolated from peers, that's a problem of the peers, not the child. The solution is educate the child -- and people who advocate your position -- to look beyond a person's appearance and see the individual inside.

How ironic that, for all the talk of progressive liberalism and individual freedoms, you guys are the ones acting judgemental based purely on appearances and are imposing fascist ideas of conformity onto everyone.

 

[Selim I]

twelve pages, i didn't say a word. I am annoyed by this thread itself.

Politicians should be worried about what pepole eat, not what they wear.

I am a free man and i wear whatever the phuck i want to wear. Same goes for everyone in this country, so stop b!tchin'

Exactly. Tell that to guys like turar

 

[LegionnairE]

Exactly. Tell that to guys like turar

Of course, people wearing black robes headscarves and veils isn't his concern and people wearing shortest of skirts and bikinis isn't your concern... vice versa

People sometimes want to be recognized by how they look rather than what they think. I assume you guys do not belong to this majority otherwise you wouldn't be here talking. So let's end this pointless dicsussion.

 

[Targon]

Developereo

Nonsense, religions, ideologies,forcing them to a certain career in early ages, will change their life view and future permanently, none of the examples you gave have anything with their life view or their way of building their future, thats what I'm trying to explain from the beginning but everybody insisting on not understanding it.

 

[TurAr]

Exactly. Tell that to guys like turar

I have never said wearing headscarf is wrong, but i said forcing kids to wear headscarf is wrong. However you are saying that wearing mini-skirts in Europe is a major problem. And i'm saying it is none of your business and don't be so hypocrite.

Yes you do. Guys like you just proved that we indeed need religion, atheists like you have a very limited vision and narrow mind as we see it being demonstrated here clearly. Suddenly wearing hijab is wrong, even in a country with major Muslim population. What keeps you in Turkey by the way? All you wish and want is here in Europe, people are mostly atheist, and your viewpoint is not much different from theirs.
Probably you would ask me the same question, but I can reply to you before you ask. I was born in Denmark, but after I get my education my plans is living in Turkey, since the education system is better in Denmark, I think it's a proper choice to be graduated in Denmark.

Oh please, how you come up with that conclusion? I provide you a video showing that you are wrong. And all you are doing is talking nonesense.

There are many atheists in Turkey too, thanks to likes of you.

 

[Developereo]

Developereo

Nonsense, religions, ideologies,forcing them to a certain career in early ages, will change their life view and future permanently, none of the examples you gave have anything with their life view or their way of building their future, thats what I'm trying to explain from the beginning but everybody insisting on not understanding it.

Then you should make it illegal to teach philosophy in school. And history, since history is tied to culture which is tied to religion. The only thing that is 'safe' to teach is math and science. But guess what? human beings are not robots. We need culture and humanities in order to become complete individuals.

But there's an even more fundamental point: your entire premise is flawed because the vast majority of people around the world -- Muslim and non-Muslim -- want to teach their culture to their children. It doesn't matter if you call it mind abuse or indoctrination, this is how human society functions. This is what human society is all about. Science and math are only secondary tools to make life easier, what really defines us is our culture.

What you are proposing is the typical atheist, ascetic, mechanical view of life. I have heard it a lot from many intellectuals, and it seems more popular in Europe than in America or Australia. In that view, humans are simply mechanical beings that come into existence, go through some motions for a few decades, and then dissipate into the 'ether'. It is a very Nietzsche-esque view that is fine if some people want to believe in it, but the vast majority of humans on this planet do not subscribe to such a nihilistic philosophy.

Bottom line: Culture is what people live for, and what they want most of all to pass to their children. What you call indoctrination, the vast majority of humans call cultural continuity.

 

[Targon]

At least in Turkey, philosophy lessons starts in high school and if history is not full of propaganda bs, its have nothing with ideology or religion.

I assume you still can't understand what I'm talking about, I never said religion should not be teached to children, but it should be done when they become able to logically think, and none of the examples you gave can make it legit, a mistake cannot make another mistake correct.

I still can't understand what part of it looks right to you ? are you ok with that seriously ?

 

[TurAr]

It is your presupposition that putting on a headscarf amounts to child abuse comparable to child labor. We can take that analogy to include anything -- we can say teaching people to use knife/fork is child abuse, or teaching people to respect their elders is child abuse. Pick anything you don't like and claim that teaching that behavior to a child is abusing the child.

As for your concern about the headscarfed child feeling isolated from peers, that's a problem of the peers, not the child. The solution is educate the child -- and people who advocate your position -- to look beyond a person's appearance and see the individual inside.

How ironic that, for all the talk of progressive liberalism and individual freedoms, you guys are the ones acting judgemental based purely on appearances and are imposing fascist ideas of conformity onto everyone.

You didn't answer my question: "please explain me, what is logical or moral about forcing 10 year old kid to wear like a nun in the middle of summer. Why would you want to make her isolated from her friends. Why would you want to pump 'fear of Allah' in minds of 10 year old children?"

 

[Developereo]

if history is not full of propaganda bs, its have nothing with ideology or religion.

What I meant is that, in order to understand history, you have to understand the cultural context in which it takes place. And you can only understand that context if you have knowledge of the culture and religion involved.

I assume you still can't understand what I'm talking about, I never said religion should not be teached to children, but it should be done when they become able to logically think, and none of the examples you gave can make it legit, a mistake cannot make another mistake correct.

I still can't understand what part of it looks right to you ? are you ok with that seriously ?

What I am saying is that, regardless of your views, the vast majority of humans want to impart culture to their children. Your assertion is that teaching religion is mind abuse, but the vast majority disagrees. Therefore, it is up to you to prove why teaching religion is harmful compared to teaching other societal norms of behavior. Why is teaching about a heardscarf any worse than teaching a child not to kill, or to offer a bus seat to old people?

 

[Targon]

Didn't I explained ? none of the them have anything with their life view nor will build their future, but religions or ideologies are not like this.

As I said a mistake not makes another mistake right, I know what you saying about people, thats just a ideal.

Anyway, its a circle I will end that here(which I actually did before, I don't know why I entered the thread again)

 

[Developereo]

You didn't answer my question:

Thought I did. I'll try again.

"please explain me, what is logical or moral about forcing 10 year old kid to wear like a nun in the middle of summer.

It is no different than teaching a child to wear clothes that are common in that culture. Just because some people find this particular article of clothing objectionable is their problem, not the child's.

Why would you want to make her isolated from her friends.

Again, this problem of 'isolation' can be addressed by teaching her 'friends' not to judge people by their looks. Teach every child to accept people for who they are and what they do, rather than by how they dress.

Why would you want to pump 'fear of Allah' in minds of 10 year old children?"

Did it occur to you that people might actually do things out of love and devotion?

The fear angle is usually invoked to stop people from doing harmful things, just as fear of the law is used to stop people committing crimes.