Another wave of Anti-Pakistani campaign in Turkey brewing. This time, Ataturk and Nuclear Technology is being discussed.

[dBSPL]

Do you spend all day going on twitter and obsessing over random posts made by Turks on Pakistanis? the fact that this thread has almost reached 50 pages is utterly tragic.

Here, I could bring you much more in-depth information and content that you cannot find on twitter hashtags. In fact, there are dozens of families established by Turkish and Pakistani and lives in Turkiye. I could tell you their perspectives and their recent experiences. However, they would be of no value under these threads. What is wanted to be done here is exactly soul mate of some provocateurs in Turkish social media and for same purpose that efforts to drag the masses behind them.

If you scan the message history of some of these accounts by searching for keywords related to Turkiye, you will understand the reason for their current insistence. Terrorist Turks, Donmeh Turks, Rootless Turks, Colonized Turks... I mean not Turks but Turds... An ordinary Turk can turn each of these on you very easily to attack the people of Pakistan. Maybe that's what their purpose is... Everyone is chasing their own political agenda, and the members here do not have different reflexes than a few idiots you see on those Turkish social media.

Action agents in Turkish social media are one side of the coin. But on the other hand, there are Pakistani action agents also who do not want to miss the opportunity to instrumentalize these materials in accordance with their own political views.

I'm tired of talking about the hate language here. Pakistan's history, people and culture are not a matter of discussion in Turkiye. But as we seeing in this forum, it is common to see scoundrels attacking the identity, roots and culture of a nation, by instrumantilizng recent agency work in Turkish social media and even by sharing anonymous people social media accounts.

We are fighting a battle to weed out the rotten apples within ourselves. But prudent Pakistanis must be vigilant too against these provocateurs within.

 

[mudas777]

It's a targeted campaign to create a wedge between people of Pakistan and Turkey , using Social media as a Weapon

As our Cherry blossom is busy protecting his own interest and ensuring he does not goes to Prison , there is no one paying attention on the Turkish-Pakistani relations in foreign office.

The vaccum created is being actively exploited to disrupt the Growing Military Ties and also People to People (Trader and Commerce ties ) between Turkey and Pakistan

>Classic Bot Pretending to be Pakistani
>Misleading vides and information being spread
>Hateful conversations circulated to mass population
>Even if it reaches 5% people and confuses them it creates a mess

One must ask who will benefit if Pak Turkey relations go pear shape?? Spend few millions and spread fake news every where. One have forgotten Indian fake labs??? India have tried every trick in the book from giving Turk companies large contracts and then dumping the same companies when Turk government didn't scaled back the relations with Pakistan.
India may have realised why not use the same trick with Turkey on media what they did in EU to spread fake news about Pakistan. Boy doesn't looks Pakistani have different accent so all this is fake news and one must track down the people who keep on spreading the news and true identities can be unearthed.

 

[KediKesenFare3]

One must ask who will benefit if Pak Turkey relations go pear shape?? Spend few millions and spread fake news every where. One have forgotten Indian fake labs??? India have tried every trick in the book from giving Turk companies large contracts and then dumping the same companies when Turk government didn't scaled back the relations with Pakistan.
India may have realised why not use the same trick with Turkey on media what they did in EU to spread fake news about Pakistan. Boy doesn't looks Pakistani have different accent so all this is fake news and one must track down the people who keep on spreading the news and true identities can be unearthed.

Pakistani people are not a major immigrant group despite the recent surge. This whole thing is skewed and blown out of proportion.

In addition, this is very much an internet phenomenon. Neither the news nor any major political party in Turkey mentioned Pakistanis publicly.

 

[PakistaniandProud]

In addition, this is very much an internet phenomenon. Neither the news nor any major political party in Turkey mentioned Pakistanis publicly.

You know that's not true. Have you heard about Muge and Neslihan?

 

[lastofthepatriots]

You know that's not true. Have you heard about Muge and Neslihan?

Dude let this shit go. Who gives a ****?

 

[KediKesenFare3]

You know that's not true. Have you heard about Muge and Neslihan?

This doesn't negate my point. Pakistani immigrants are not on Turkey's main agenda and they probably never will be either. Pakistan is not a failed banana republic.

 

[ThunderCat]

I am sure some irrelevant libturd Turks exist that hate Islam and by extension Pakistan. Obviously, the liberal equates Pakistan with Islam and that is the main point of contention. Irrelevant to be frank. I am in Izmir and I am moving around from one place to another. Buying houses and introducing myself to many Turks. Not one issue. I have yet to encounter one liberal Turk telling me to my face his/her dislike for Pakistan. I am sure I will encounter the racist libturd eventually. The Turkish people are generally speaking fine people.

Yes libturd turks commonly hate on other muslims because it gives them a sense of security given the controversial history. One of them online himself told me they dislike Pakistanis and Pakistan as a country.

The same one was also criticizing Arabs for how "conservative" they are, deliberately ignoring the liberal upper class Arabs whom are some of the most liberal Muslims i've met & known. That's the pattern i notice with these white Turks.

They get their sense of "secularism" by stereotyping all other Muslims nationalities as religious & intolerant.

They are free to hate or love however they want as they please. My problem with them is their reasons are false and they are spreading this false information about Pakistanis.

I've been trolled a few times online by foreigners and even seen a video of a Greek woman criticizing Pakistani culture while praising Turkish culture after having visiting Turkey.

These European liberals get brainwashed by Kemalists when visiting these liberal areas of Turkey. They clearly are a problem in that sense. Spreading false information and prejudice.

Same is true for Persian monarchists, another toxic group of people trying to promote Persians as "secular" inspite their regime while ignoring their conservative rural class. At the same time they stereotype other Muslim nationalities as conservative.

One would have to be blind not to see their obvious insecurities about themselves.

 

[ThunderCat]

As far as I know, the earliest known historical depiction of star crescent symbol is Sumerian [third dynasty of Ur] from over 2000 BCE.

Okay probably true. But in the end we are not necessarily borrowing symbols from Turkic peoples. We do not speak Turkic languages as it is and we are not trying to become Turkic.

Yes our national language was given a Chagatai name in the 18th century by a Delhi poet but to my understanding it already had it's own indigenous name, Lashkari, since it's emergence in Lahore during the Ghaznavid period and is still used as a secondary name according to online sources.

 

[Trango Towers]

Yes libturd turks commonly hate on other muslims because it gives them a sense of security given the controversial history. One of them online himself told me they dislike Pakistanis and Pakistan as a country.

The same one was also criticizing Arabs for how "conservative" they are, deliberately ignoring the liberal upper class Arabs whom are some of the most liberal Muslims i've met & known. That's the pattern i notice with these white Turks.

They get their sense of "secularism" by stereotyping all other Muslims nationalities as religious & intolerant.

They are free to hate or love however they want as they please. My problem with them is their reasons are false and they are spreading this false information about Pakistanis.

I've been trolled a few times online by foreigners and even seen a video of a Greek woman criticizing Pakistani culture while praising Turkish culture after having visiting Turkey.

These European liberals get brainwashed by Kemalists when visiting these liberal areas of Turkey. They clearly are a problem in that sense. Spreading false information and prejudice.

Same is true for Persian monarchists, another toxic group of people trying to promote Persians as "secular" inspite their regime while ignoring their conservative rural class. At the same time they stereotype other Muslim nationalities as conservative.

One would have to be blind not to see their obvious insecurities about themselves.

You can find stupid people everywhere when u look for them

 

[waz]

This isn't a major issue now and much of it has died down, and yes I do keep an eye out. The main reason is that Pakistanis are a tiny bunch in Turkey and not in any sizeable number, and they haven't committed any heinous crime unlike men from other regions.
The perverts who did these things are now in hiding having received a massive amount of hate from our people for ruining our name which in all honesty is a good thing and it will deter others.

Yes libturd turks commonly hate on other muslims because it gives them a sense of security given the controversial history. One of them online himself told me they dislike Pakistanis and Pakistan as a country.

The same one was also criticizing Arabs for how "conservative" they are, deliberately ignoring the liberal upper class Arabs whom are some of the most liberal Muslims i've met & known. That's the pattern i notice with these white Turks.

They get their sense of "secularism" by stereotyping all other Muslims nationalities as religious & intolerant.

They are free to hate or love however they want as they please. My problem with them is their reasons are false and they are spreading this false information about Pakistanis.

I've been trolled a few times online by foreigners and even seen a video of a Greek woman criticizing Pakistani culture while praising Turkish culture after having visiting Turkey.

There's no fixing such types, only when they meet the Euros face to face do they realise how much they are hated regardless of how much they prance around looking like them, acting like them etc, how cringe.
The irony is when they do meet such a reaction they tell themselves it's only a minority when they themselves didn't hesitate to abuse our entire nation, culture, history etc. They then get kicked again, but then what do you expect, an unwanted dog has more respect.
By the way we should leave the 'secular' ones and 'religious' ones out of this I've seen both types express good thoughts about us.

 

[PakistaniandProud]

Dude let this shit go. Who gives a ****?

It's not something you could simply let go. There's vast amount of misinformation spread towards Pakistan. We should not tolerate this.

This doesn't negate my point. Pakistani immigrants are not on Turkey's main agenda and they probably never will be either. Pakistan is not a failed banana republic.

Is that why the "failed migrant policies" Turkey has its far rights talking about Pakistanis 24/7?

This isn't a major issue now and much of it has died down, and yes I do keep an eye out. The main reason is that Pakistanis are a tiny bunch in Turkey and not in any sizeable number, and they haven't committed any heinous crime unlike men from other regions.
The perverts who did these things are now in hiding having received a massive amount of hate from our people for ruining our name which in all honesty is a good thing and it will deter others.

This hasn't died down as of yet, and won't until the 2023 Turkish and Pakistani general elections.

 

[ThunderCat]

Man,I can't see your flags so can I ask where are you from originally?

I also cannot see them as I don't know the settings to display them. But to answer your question, i'm from Pakistan but living in Canada for the past 21 years and prior to that lived in UAE and prior to that lived in Pakistan during the 90s.

I was born there in the 80s and lived there till 2000.

By the way we should leave the 'secular' ones and 'religious' ones out of this I've seen both types express good thoughts about us.

I've distinguished legitimately secular Turks from pseuodo-secular ones online, including this very forum.

And i am aware of both religious and secular ones expressing support for Pakistan, including for Jinnah.

 

[Novus ordu seclorum]

Okay probably true. But in the end we are not necessarily borrowing symbols from Turkic peoples. We do not speak Turkic languages as it is and we are not trying to become Turkic.

Yes our national language was given a Chagatai name in the 18th century by a Delhi poet but to my understanding it already had it's own indigenous name, Lashkari, since it's emergence in Lahore during the Ghaznavid period and is still used as a secondary name according to online sources.

𒁺 - Wiktionary, the free dictionary

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Etymology: Sumerian 𒁺 (du, “to go”).

Historical origin of Urdu is Sumerian and Turks are not the only people to have the word Urdu, Ordo, or Ordu. Urdu is also a Hindustani word. It is of very ancient origin and in Sumerian would literally mean 'to go from Ur', or 'come from Ur', or 'move about Ur'. Sumerian language is based on adfixed words. Another example is the word Lugal. Lu means Man and Gal means High or Up, thus Lugal means King or Big Man. I believe the word gal in Punjabi might be related. I am not Punjabi, but I know Ki Gal Hai means What's Up.

 

[lastofthepatriots]

𒁺 - Wiktionary, the free dictionary

en.m.wiktionary.org

Etymology: Sumerian 𒁺 (du, “to go”).

Historical origin of Urdu is Sumerian and Turks are not the only people to have the word Urdu, Ordo, or Ordu. Urdu is also a Hindustani word. It is of very ancient origin and in Sumerian would literally mean 'to go from Ur', or 'come from Ur', or 'move about Ur'. Sumerian language is based on adfixed words. Another example is the word Lugal. Lu means Man and Gal means High or Up, thus Lugal means King or Big Man. I believe the word gal in Punjabi might be related. I am not Punjabi, but I know Ki Gal Hai means What's Up.

 

[Novus ordu seclorum]

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Not winging it. More like pushing the boundaries of knowledge. Urdu is not only Hindustani and Turkic. It is also Latin meaning Order, so the English word Order is based on Ordo. They are related meaning -- Go, Move Around, Camp, Army, and Order. Urdu has historical origin which is Sumerian. The origin of word Sher is also Sumerian, meaning Ruler. Look up Meshkiangasher.