Another Iranian underground missile depot was revealed

[Arminkh]

These pictures were published today. Please notice all the missiles are new high precision Emad missiles. They have a range of 1700 km and and their entry vehicle is controllable.

 

[Paranoid Android]

Good job..Keep dirty neighbors in check..

 

[Arminkh]

Good job..Keep dirty neighbors in check..

I think that was the sole purpose of it.

 

[Abdullah S.]

What are they going to do with ballistic missiles without nukes? They're like a weapon of terror than having much of an impact on careful opposing forces because of less accuracy. A 100-200 meter CEP with conventional munitions isn't really good.

 

[Arminkh]

What are they going to do with ballistic missiles without nukes? They're like a weapon of terror than having much of an impact on careful opposing forces before of less accuracy. A 100-200 meter CEP with conventional munitions isn't really good.

They are for deterrence and more than enough for destroying air fields and other strategic points. CEP of Emad has not been revealed but should be less than 200m because it has guided re-entry vehicle.

By the way, Iran can use Sumar for precision strikes (range > 2000 km)

 

[vizier]

Depots are good but they are also static primary targets of enemy if location is detected.Just like submarines patrol with cruise missiles and in old times soviet bombers patroled ready around usa airspace some amount of missile force trucks should always keep ready and continiously on the move.there should also be radar coverage around the depot not only against aircraft but also detect and alert incoming balistic missiles for better deterrance.I dont know maybe upward facing scanning pesa or aesa radar can cheaply provide early warning for short range around a point like depot against incoming balistic missiles towards that point.ofcourse it would be better to obtain several long range radars like greenpine but for quick cheap point defense option it can be suitable.

 

[mohsen]

Depots are good but they are also static primary targets of enemy if location is detected.Just like submarines patrol with cruise missiles and in old times soviet bombers patroled ready around usa airspace some amount of missile force trucks should always keep ready and continiously on the move.there should also be radar coverage around the depot not only against aircraft but also detect and alert incoming balistic missiles for better deterrance.I dont know maybe upward facing scanning pesa or aesa radar can cheaply provide early warning for short range around a point like depot against incoming balistic missiles towards that point.ofcourse it would be better to obtain several long range radars like greenpine but for quick cheap point defense option it can be suitable.

finding these bases is one thing, penetrating 500m into the ground is another!

 

[kollang]

They are for deterrence and more than enough for destroying air fields and other strategic points. CEP of Emad has not been revealed but should be less than 200m because it has guided re-entry vehicle.

By the way, Iran can use Sumar for precision strikes (range > 2000 km)

I think there is an extra zero in that CEP number, you mentioned.

 

[Arminkh]

I think there is an extra zero in that CEP number, you mentioned.

The worst estimation I have seen is in wikipedia which states 500m:

Emad (missile) - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Iranian side claims 100m. Which is quite reasonable for a guided re-entry system. For example Pershing 2 with radar terminal guidance had a CEP of 30m. That was a 70s era missile. I think Iran's tech to date is at least as good as 70s.

It also depends on the nature of the guidance system. For example if it is an anti-radiation missile, then it can decrease to below 15m.

So what you say may be true.

 

[kollang]

The worst estimation I have seen is in wikipedia which states 500m:

Emad (missile) - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Iranian side claims 100m. Which is quite reasonable for a guided re-entry system. For example Pershing 2 with radar terminal guidance had a CEP of 30m. That was a 70s era missile. I think Iran's tech to date is at least as good as 70s.

It also depends on the nature of the guidance system. For example if it is an anti-radiation missile, then it can decrease to below 15m.

So what you say may be true.

I think 500 meters CEP is highly unlikely.scud B's CEP is even better than 500 meters.Emad obviosly uses much more sophisticated guidance system and control fins on final dive.I would say its CEP is definitely less than 50.

This is not a big deal anyway, there is already Persian Gulf anti ship semi-balistic missiles in service that have a CEP of less than 10 meters.

@Serpentine , since you follow Syrian conflict for a notable time, have you ever noticed any use of FT-110 in action?

 

[Arminkh]

I think 500 meters CEP is highly unlikely.scud B's CEP is even better than 500 meters.Emad obviosly uses much more sophisticated guidance system and control fins on final dive.I would say its CEP is definitely less than 50.

This is not a big deal anyway, there is already Persian Gulf anti ship semi-balistic missiles in service that have a CEP of less than 10 meters.

@Serpentine , since you follow Syrian conflict for a notable time, have you ever noticed any use of FT-110 in action?

There were news about use of FT-110 by Syrian military about 2 years ago. But I never heard anything after that. Here is one:

 

[Madali]

What are they going to do with ballistic missiles without nukes? They're like a weapon of terror than having much of an impact on careful opposing forces because of less accuracy. A 100-200 meter CEP with conventional munitions isn't really good.

Who are going to nuke? With nukes, there is no going back. With non-nukes, it is something a country can actually use. Why hasn't USA used any nukes since 70 years? How many wars have they been in? How one Russia jsnt using nukes in Syria or Ukraine? Why didn't Israel use nukes to defend themselves? Why isn't north Korea using nukes to attack South Korea? Why isn't Pakistan nuking India over Kashmir issue? Or why isn't Pakistan nuking USA for their drone attacks?

You Pakistani think nukes are the cure all to every problem. It's not.

 

[Capt.Popeye]

Who are going to nuke? With nukes, there is no going back. With non-nukes, it is something a country can actually use. Why hasn't USA used any nukes since 70 years? How many wars have they been in? How one Russia jsnt using nukes in Syria or Ukraine? Why didn't Israel use nukes to defend themselves? Why isn't north Korea using nukes to attack South Korea? Why isn't Pakistan nuking India over Kashmir issue? Or why isn't Pakistan nuking USA for their drone attacks?

You Pakistani think nukes are the cure all to every problem. It's not.

Nukes, Nukes, Nukes....... that is a never-ending refrain from a certain part of the world!
As if Nukes are the "end all and be-all" of all methods of warfare, totally dumbass...

 

[Abdullah S.]

Who are going to nuke? With nukes, there is no going back. With non-nukes, it is something a country can actually use. Why hasn't USA used any nukes since 70 years? How many wars have they been in? How one Russia jsnt using nukes in Syria or Ukraine? Why didn't Israel use nukes to defend themselves? Why isn't north Korea using nukes to attack South Korea? Why isn't Pakistan nuking India over Kashmir issue? Or why isn't Pakistan nuking USA for their drone attacks?

You Pakistani think nukes are the cure all to every problem. It's not.

Why do you think US and the Western world wants to make sure Iran never gets a nuke?

 

[Serpentine]

@Serpentine , since you follow Syrian conflict for a notable time, have you ever noticed any use of FT-110 in action?

In 2012 and 2013 SAA did use some ballistic missile attacks against rebels, including Fateh-110 (Tishreen) but not lately. Syria has a Fateh-110 based missile called Tishreen and as far as I know, they are not used in the war in considerable numbers since they are usually ineffective against guerrilla groups (unless hitting a concentrated group) and also reserved mostly for war against Israel.

I can't say for sure how accurately they hit their targets but as I remember, they were able to hit them.