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Ancient Peshawar's forgotten Wonder: The Greatest Stupa on Earth

Should Kanishka Stupa be built by the Pakistan Government?

  • Yes

    Votes: 15 65.2%
  • No

    Votes: 8 34.8%

  • Total voters
    23
Or, we can keep it what it is, and add a second name recognized in our constitution.



Thank you for this. The preservation quality is truly remarkable.

not only that many Hindu temple which is which is build around 400-500 AD ......they are trying to restore .....still many restoration work is going on .......originally all were such Hugh and giant structure ,technically it is impossible to bring it in original shape .....but they are trying their best

another is candi prambanan (loard shiva temple)



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We should probably change Pakistan's name to Indusland. ;)

On topic, we should preserve what remains, but it probably makes no sense to rebuild. The rebuilt structure would have new materials and nothing in common with the ancient landmark. It would have no legitimacy as anything historical.

Actually, nothing remains of it. And it CAN be built with the same old materials.

Not every modern structure has to be made up of concrete and steel. And I am talking about building it as a Modern Wonder. Not exactly the replica of the ancient one, but in its memory.
 
India is a historical country in the continent of Asia. Asia don't have alternate name of India. ;)

The name India is derived from Indus, which originates from the Old Persian word Hinduš. The latter term stems from the Sanskrit word Sindhu, which was the historical local appellation for the Indus River.[16] The ancient Greeks referred to the Indians as Indoi (Ινδοί), which translates as "the people of the Indus".[17]

The Area/Geography occupies the Current 'Republic of India' not known to anyone.......i repeat Anyone of the known world, this term only used to the people living around Indus River in ancient times which is the historical boundry of known world.
 
The name India is derived from Indus, which originates from the Old Persian word Hinduš. The latter term stems from the Sanskrit word Sindhu, which was the historical local appellation for the Indus River.[16] The ancient Greeks referred to the Indians as Indoi (Ινδοί), which translates as "the people of the Indus".[17]

The Area/Geography occupies the Current 'Republic of India' not known to anyone.......i repeat Anyone of the known world, this term only used to the people living around Indus River in ancient times which is the historical boundry of known world.

Then you don't know the entire history. Herodotus first mentioned about India in 440BC but it was Greek historian Megasthenes who wrote the entire account both North and South India around 300BC after Chandragupta defeated Seleucus. Megasthanes account for India remained a standard for more than two millenniums. Meanwhile India themselves had idea of 'Bharat' which extended from Gandhara in North to Chola-Chera in South India. ;)
 
Then you don't know the entire history. Herodotus first mentioned about India in 440BC but it was Greek historian Megasthenes who wrote the entire account both North and South India around 300BC after Chandragupta defeated Seleucus. Megasthanes account for India remained a standard for more than two millenniums. Meanwhile India themselves had idea of 'Bharat' which extended from Gandhara in North to Chola-Chera in South India. ;)

For Herodotus India is all about Indus.....End of Story:coffee:
 
For Herodotus India is all about Indus.....End of Story:coffee:

I like your silly excuses, does 300BC looks events of yesterday.:omghaha: For Herodotus India meant 'end of the earth' east of the Indus river. Modern India is still east of the Indus river while 75% of Pakistan lies in West of the Indus river. ;)
 
Please stick to the topic. Don't make it India-Pakistan history debate.

I believe there is one man who can build this.

The legendary Nayyar Ali Dada. Dada is currently working on a Mughal-style Grand Mosque in Bahria Town, Lahore.

Previously he gave us Alhamra Art Council, Habib Bank (Mall Road), Serena Hotel (Islamabad), Shaukat Khanum hospital etc
 

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Actually, nothing remains of it. And it CAN be built with the same old materials.

By "same materials", I meant the actual bricks from the old structure.

Not every modern structure has to be made up of concrete and steel. And I am talking about building it as a Modern Wonder. Not exactly the replica of the ancient one, but in its memory.

I wasn't talking about building anything with steel and concrete, but bricks themselves.

If we had 75% of the actual, original bricks, it would make sense to rebuild. But to build a structure using completely new bricks that only looks like the old structure seems meaningless. It would have almost no historical value.
 
By "same materials", I meant the actual bricks from the old structure.



I wasn't talking about building anything with steel and concrete, but bricks themselves.

If we had 75% of the actual, original bricks, it would make sense to rebuild. But to build a structure using completely new bricks that only looks like the old structure seems meaningless. It would have almost no historical value.



Please read Guardian story: "Colossus of Rhodes to be rebuilt as giant light sculpture: (I am new on forum, hence not allowed to post the link)

If this can be rebuilt, so can be the Kanishka Stupa. Also, Jerusalem's Temple Mount was destroyed and rebuilt several times over the history. I doubt if it was rebuilt by same materials every time.
 
Please stick to the topic. Don't make it India-Pakistan history debate.

I believe there is one man who can build this.

The legendary Nayyar Ali Dada. Dada is currently working on a Mughal-style Grand Mosque in Bahria Town, Lahore.

Previously he gave us Alhamra Art Council, Habib Bank (Mall Road), Serena Hotel (Islamabad), Shaukat Khanum hospital etc
By "same materials", I meant the actual bricks from the old structure.
I wasn't talking about building anything with steel and concrete, but bricks themselves.

If we had 75% of the actual, original bricks, it would make sense to rebuild. But to build a structure using completely new bricks that only looks like the old structure seems meaningless. It would have almost no historical value.

Excuse me, are you folks living in a fools paradise?
If the real Pakistani's(which implies the majority, not the elite like yourselves) didnt even allow Shadman chowk to be renamed as Bhagat Singh chowk, you think Pakistani's would allow a Stupa to be built/rebuilt in Pakistan?

Construction/Reconstruction debate can only happen, if the Jamaat's and your Mullah's allow something to happen in the first place.

Cart before the horse.
 
Construction/Reconstruction debate can only happen, if the Jamaat's and your Mullah's allow something to happen in the first place.

That's probably true. It's not likely to happen any time soon.
 
First think of saving the temples or places of worship of minorities you already have instead of thinking of building a new one.
 
Excuse me, are you folks living in a fools paradise?
If the real Pakistani's(which implies the majority, not the elite like yourselves) didnt even allow Shadman chowk to be renamed as Bhagat Singh chowk, you think Pakistani's would allow a Stupa to be built/rebuilt in Pakistan?

Construction/Reconstruction debate can only happen, if the Jamaat's and your Mullah's allow something to happen in the first place.

Cart before the horse.

The current government of PMLN is very happy building structures and monuments. Recently, Shahbaz Sharif has taken over the stalled Bab-e-Pakistan project in Lahore.

As for Jamaat and Mullah, they don't matter. They hardly approve of anything that happens in Pakistan, that doesn't mean we don't do those things.

PPP, PTI and even PMLN will support the project in the long run.

First think of saving the temples or places of worship of minorities you already have instead of thinking of building a new one.

Given what happened to Babri Mosque, I don't think you have the right to tell what we should do.

Pakistan's National Academy of Performing Arts (NAPA) is headquartered in a building called "Hindu Gymkhaha". There are dozens of Hindu Temples in Sindh that are as preserved as they can be in today's feeble law-and-order situation of Pakistan.

But Pakistan is not Indonesia to preserve their Hindu history. This one is about a 'not-Hindu' Buddhist Stupa that's why some Pakistani seems interested.

No, I didn't mentioned it because it was "non-Hindu" monument. I mentioned it because the monument's grandeur is unparalleled. There are many Hindu Temples in Pakistan that can be restored as the Indonesians did. I would be very happy to see them restored.
 
It is not permitted for Muslims to allow the reconstruction of a kaafir site.

al-Bukhaari (3020) and Muslim (2476) narrated that Jareer ibn ‘Abd-Allaah al-Bajali said: The Messenger of Allaah (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) said to me: “O Jareer, will you not relieve me of Dhu’l-Khalsah?” That was a house (in Yemen) belonging to the (tribe of) Khath’am, which was called Ka’bat al-Yamaaniyyah. I set out with one hundred and fifty horsemen. I used not to sit firm on horses and I mentioned that to the Messenger of Allaah (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him). He struck me on my chest with his hand and said, 'O Allaah! Make him firm and make him one who guides others and is guided on the right path.' " So Jareer went and burned it with fire, then Jareer sent a man called Abu Artaat to the Messenger of Allaah (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him). He said, “I did not come to you until we had left it like a scabby camel.” Then the Messenger of Allaah (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) blessed the horses of (the tribe of) Ahmas and their men five times.

Al-Haafiz Ibn Hajar said:

This hadeeth indicates that it is prescribed to remove things that may tempt or confuse the people, whether they are buildings, people, animals or inanimate objects.

If it is asked, how come the Sahaabah left alone the ancient idols of the Pharaohs and Phoenicians? The answer is that these idols fall into one of three categories:

1 – These idols may have been in remote places that the Sahaabah did not reach; when the Sahaabah conquered Egypt, for example, that does not mean that they reached every part of the land.

2 – These idols may not have been visible, rather they may have been inside Pharaonic buildings etc. The Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) told us to hasten when passing through the abodes of the wrongdoers and those who had been punished, and he forbade entering such places. In al-Saheehayn it is says: “Do not enter upon those who have been punished unless you are weeping, lest there befall you something like that which befall them.” He (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) said that when he passed by ashaab al-hijr [the dwellers of the rocky tract – see al-Hijr 15:80], in the land of Thamood, the people of Saalih (peace be upon him).

According to another report narrated in al-Saheehayn, “If you are not weeping, then do not enter upon them, lest there befall you something like that which befall them.”

What we think is that if the companions of the Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) saw a temple or building belonging of these people, they did not enter it or even look at what was inside it.

This will dispel any confusion about why the Sahaabah did not see the Pyramids or what is inside them. There is also the possibility that their doors and entrances were covered with sand at that time.

3 – Many of these idols that are visible nowadays were covered and hidden, and have only been discovered recently, or they have been brought from remote places that the companions of the Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) did not reach.

Al-Zarkali was asked about the Pyramids and the Sphinx etc: Did the Sahaabah who entered Egypt see them?

He said: They were mostly covered with sand, especially the Sphinx.

Shibh Jazeerat al-‘Arab, 4/1188

Then even if we assume that there was a statue that was visible and not hidden, then we still have to prove that the Sahaabah saw it and were able to destroy it.

The fact of the matter is that the Sahaabah (may Allaah be pleased with them) would not have been able to destroy some of these statues. It took twenty days to destroy some of these statues even with tools, equipment, and explosives etc that were not available to the Sahaabah at all.

This is indicated by what Ibn Khuldoon said in al-Muqaddimah (p. 383), that the caliph al-Rasheed was unable to destroy the estrade of Chosroes. He started to do that, and he gathered men and tools, and burned it with fire, and poured vinegar on it, but he was unable to do it. And the caliph al-Ma’moon wanted to destroy the Pyramids in Egypt and he gathered workers but he could not do it.

With regard to the excuse that these statues are part of the legacy of mankind, no attention should be paid to such words. Al-Laat, al-‘Uzaa, Hubal, Manaat and other idols were also a legacy for those who worshipped them among Quraysh and the Arabs.

This is a legacy, but it is a haraam legacy which should be uprooted. When the command comes from Allaah and His Messenger, then the believer must hasten to obey, and the command of Allaah and His Messenger cannot be rejected on the grounds of this flimsy excuse. Allaah says (interpretation of the meaning):

“The only saying of the faithful believers, when they are called to Allaah (His Words, the Qur’aan) and His Messenger, to judge between them, is that they say: “We hear and we obey.” And such are the successful (who will live forever in Paradise)”

[al-Noor 24:51]

We ask Allaah to help the Muslims to do that which He loves and which pleased Him.

Obligation to destroy idols
- islamqa.info

Hey fat kid go and eat more palao, leave this for adults to discuss.
 
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