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In recent months, Weibo has been eclipsed by WeChat, which allows instant messaging within self-selected circles of followers. CreditSim Chi Yin for The New York Times

BEIJING — For the past few years, social media in China has been dominated by the Twitter-like Sina Weibo, a microblogging service that created an online sphere of freewheeling public debate, incubating social change and at times even holding politicians accountable in a country where traditional media outlets are severely constrained.

But in recent months, Weibo has been eclipsed by the Facebook-like WeChat, which allows instant messaging within self-selected circles of followers.

The shift from public to semiprivate communication, accelerated by a government crackdown on Weibo, has fundamentally reordered the social media landscape for the country’s 600 million Internet users, curbing what had been modern China’s most open public forum.

“This is a new phase for social media in China,” said Hu Yong, a journalism professor at Peking University. “It is the decline of the first large-scale forum for information in China and the rise of something more narrowly focused.”

WeChat has its advantages and its defenders. It is less censored than Weibo, and some users say it allows them to speak more freely, knowing that their conversations are private. Many users relish its added functions, including voice messaging.

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Li Bo uses WeChat to rally opposition to damaging infrastructure projects. A chat account QR code is reflected in his glasses. CreditSim Chi Yin for The New York Times
In May, though, the government announced that WeChat would be more heavily monitored. Saying that instant messaging services were being used to spread “violence, terrorism and pornography,” the agency charged with policing the Internet said it would “firmly fight infiltration from hostile forces at home and abroad,” according to a government statement.

In its heyday, Weibo promised much more. It came to prominence in 2011 after a high-speed rail crash killed 40 people. Weibo users detailed the mayhem and government shortcomings that led to the accident, part of a surge of criticism that prompted the resignation of the railway minister. It was a signal moment in the Internet’s coming of age in China, a reminder of how the medium could challenge even a formidable authoritarian government and one of its most powerful leaders.

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Weibo is still important. Boundary-pushing news and commentaries are still more easily found there than in the more tightly controlled world of government newspapers and magazines. It also remains popular for following celebrities and gossip. It reported in March that it had 66 million daily users, up 37 percent over a year earlier.

But government figures show that the overall number of microblog users, including those using Weibo and services from other providers, fell by 9 percent last year, with many migrating to WeChat. That shift, along with a general decline in technology stocks, contributed to adisappointing New York stock market listing in April for Weibo, which raised $286 million instead of the anticipated $500 million.

“It’s far from what it used to be,” said He Weifang, a prominent lawyer and onetime heavy blogger on Weibo with more than a million followers. “You can still find facts on Weibo, or news reports, but the comments aren’t as interesting or deep.”

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One reason is the government crackdown on the so-called Big V accounts — prominent commenters, with verified accounts, who often had millions of followers. After hundreds were detained, most stopped posting on Weibo.

Others quit because of the sharp tone of commentary on Weibo, which often devolved into nasty, ad hominem attacks. Some grew tired of the dizzying list of banned terms and the cat-and-mouse games with censors to evade them. For example, “June 4,” the date of the 1989 Tiananmen Square crackdown, was banned, so creative minds came up with “May 35” (which would work out to June 4), until that was also banned. Such wordplay amused hard-core users but confused ordinary readers.

WeChat seized on the frustration. Its parent company, Tencent, claims 355 million active monthly users. The company does not make public the number of daily users, making a direct comparison to Weibo difficult. But few people disagree that WeChat is now more popular.

“June 4” is banned on WeChat too, but other terms routinely blocked on microblogs, such as the name of the former security czar Zhou Yongkang, are allowed. Most observers ascribe this leniency to the fact that WeChat messages have a limited readership.

More important, activists say, WeChat allows them to dig deeper into issues with like-minded people. The veteran environmentalist Li Bo has used WeChat for more than two years to rally opposition to damaging infrastructure projects, such as a controversial plan to dam the Nu River.

Mr. Li is a participant in one WeChat group called Environmental Policy Advocacy that has more than 300 members, including, he said, open-minded government officials. Although officials rarely participate, they see the traffic and occasionally invite members to their offices to chat about policies.

Some groups are smaller and narrower, such as one focused on a county in eastern China damaged by pollution. Others are task-specific, such as small committees for various campaigns and projects.

These groups can be powerful as long as they are not too overtly political. In late April, factory workers used WeChat to organize strikes against a Taiwanese company that had failed to pay into a retirement fund. Around the same time, however, churchgoers trying to use WeChat to prevent their church from being torn down found that their WeChat circles were being used to track down opponents of the government’s action.

A broader problem for activists, however, is that WeChat can become an echo chamber.

When a charity for coal miners was trying to raise $500 this year to buy oxygen pumps for a miner dying of black lung disease, its initial appeal fell flat. On a hunch, an employee, Xue Yinhu, appealed to followers on WeChat and raised the money in an hour.

“These people know you better, so they’re more willing to support you,” he said. “But sometimes you’re talking only to the same people.”

WeChat also has built-in constraints that hobble its ability to replicate Weibo’s public sphere. WeChat allows the creation of public accounts that anyone can follow, but limits posts to one a day. In addition, access to public accounts is not possible on cellphones, making it more difficult, for instance, to launch an incriminating photo of a public official into the blogosphere.

Comments are also deleted after a few days, making long-term discussions challenging and erasing a historical record. The government also monitors these accounts and recently deleted some covering social news and politics.

Tencent declined to comment on how it decided which functions to offer users.

Still, WeChat remains a powerful tool for activists, even if Weibo’s promise of an open online society has been frustrated.

Hu Jia, who has worked on environmental and public health causes for 15 years, said that the advent of social media, despite its limitations, had produced a better-informed society.

“Weibo and WeChat are gifts from God,” he said. “Despite all the government surveillance, the benefits we get are even greater for people trying to organize society.”

http://www.nytimes.com/2014/07/05/world/asia/an-online-shift-in-china-muffles-an-open-forum.html
 
As the standard of living in China elevates and people don't see themselves as subservient to the government anymore lots of censorship and other walls are going to start coming down. What is the government going to do when the people demand more say in their laws and who is running the show?
 
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As the standard of living in China elevates and people don't see themselves as subservient to the government anymore lots of censorship and other walls are going to start coming down. What is the government going to do when the people demand more say in their laws and who is running the show.

They will hire another million censors to go with the 2 million they already have.
 
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I despise 1984 so much. And Orwell. I think he's a crappy writer and gets way too much attention.

/rant off

I agree 1984 itself was pretty crappy (and so was Fahrenheit 451) ...but the Dystopia theme was a good idea and others have done much better with it.
 
I despise 1984 so much. And Orwell. I think he's a crappy writer and gets way too much attention.

/rant off

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But George Orwell is almost sacred. Who could come up with likes of "All animals are equal, but some are more equal than others"? He remains one of the most influential writers of 20th century as far as I am concerned.
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I've been hearing about China-going-bust theories for more than 3 decades. Aint gonna happen any time soon. As long as the unwritten pact between CP and population is intact, nothing is happening. Its just that some authors will keep making money off China-going-bust books that some people love so much.

China is known as "A country that is a civilization in itself". Nothing is going to break China as such. They will always be one of the most important countries, like it or not.
 
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But George Orwell is almost sacred. Who could come up with likes of "All animals are equal, but some are more equal than others"? He remains one of the most influential writers of 20th century as far as I am concerned.
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I've been hearing about China-going-bust theories for more than 3 decades. Aint gonna happen any time soon. As long as the unwritten pact between CP and population is intact, nothing is happening. Its just that some authors will keep making money off China-going-bust books that some people love so much.

China is known as "A country that is a civilization in itself". Nothing is going to break China as such. They will always be one of the most important countries, like it or not.

I don't think anybody mentioned China going bust. It's just the CP is going to find it harder and harder to have absolute control. What happens when a new leader is picked by the CP and there's a collective groan from everybody that they should have picked the other guy?
 
I don't think anybody mentioned China going bust. It's just the CP is going to find it harder and harder to have absolute control. What happens when a new leader is picked by the CP and there's a collective groan from everybody that they should have picked the other guy?

I see what you mean. I am not really opposing you POV.

It is interesting to note that after Tianeman (sp?) Square events, nothing serious or significant has happened. The reasons are two-fold. One, CP changed a bit. Two, people have decided to go for the ride as long as poverty is reduced and people's standard of living steadily improves. There is bound to be friction, but the stability is remarkable. I think it has something to do with Chinese ethos and historical experience and expectation. I do not see all that changing any time soon. Small little steps is how its going to be....
 
I see what you mean. I am not really opposing you POV.

It is interesting to note that after Tianeman (sp?) Square events, nothing serious or significant has happened. The reasons are two-fold. One, CP changed a bit. Two, people have decided to go for the ride as long as poverty is reduced and people's standard of living steadily improves. There is bound to be friction, but the stability is remarkable. I think it has something to do with Chinese ethos and historical experience and expectation. I do not see all that changing any time soon. Small little steps is how its going to be....

You'd be surprised at how quickly things can turn. All it takes is a few intelligent powerful highly admired non-governmental figures to open their mouths saying something isn't fair and things start rolling.

If a Steve Jobs or Bill Gates type in China opened their mouths and said something was messed up people would stop,listen, and think.
 
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You'd be surprised at how quickly things can turn. All it takes is a few intelligent powerful highly admired non-governmental figures to open their mouths saying something isn't fair and things start rolling.

If a Steve Jobs or Bill Gates type in China opened their mouths and said something was messed up people would stop,listen, and think.

Time will tell if something like that actually happens. Meanwhile Ai WeiWei is a well known Chinese artist who has criticized the government. He is in exile now. Nothing much happened.
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Chinese are a pragmatic people, it seems.
 
Chinese are a pragmatic people, it seems.

Exactly right. :tup:

Revolution is great fun and all, but what about the realistic solution on the ground? Over the past three decades, over 800 million Chinese have been lifted out of poverty, a world record, something that history has never seen before.

As long as the Chinese government can continue to provide growth, and lift people out of poverty, I see no reason to change the status quo.
 
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