An Indo-Arab blunder?

[INDIC]

You keep telling tht to yourself little man..

When I read Mahabharat it mentions Sindhu kingdom as the part of ancient Bharat.

Sindhu Kingdom - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

 

[NKVD]

You keep telling tht to yourself little man..

Yeah and you live with the alien culture forced upon you through invaders p:p

 

[DESERT FIGHTER]

Look what East Punjabis did in your West Punjab in 1965.

"Pakistan claims to have destroyed something like 1/3rd the Indian Air Force, and foreign observers, who are in a position to know say that Pakistani pilots have claimed even higher kills than this; but the Pakistani Air Force are being scrupulously honest in evaluating these claims. They are crediting Pakistan Air Force only those killings that can be checked from other sources."

Roy Meloni,
American Broadcasting Corporation
September 15, 1965.

1965 War, the Inside Story by R.D. Pradhan:
In Chapter 8 titled "Of Cowardice and Panic", the author describes the cowardice of Maj. Gen. Niranjan Prasad, the Indian general commanding officer in Lahore sector. When the general was fired upon by Pakistani forces, he "ran away". "On learning that, Lt. Gen. Harbakash Singh and the corps commander drove in a Jonga to the battlefront. Army commander found that the enemy (PAF) air attack had created a havoc on G.T. Road. (Indian) Vehicles were burning and several vehicles of 15 Division abandoned on the road, the drivers having run away, leaving some of the engines still running. Maj. Gen. Niranjan Prasad was hiding in a recently irrigated sugar cane field. As described by Harabakash Singh: "He (Prasad) came out to receive us, with his boots covered with wet mud. He had no head cover, nor was he wearing any badges of his rank. He had stubble on his face, not having shaved." Seeing him in such a stage, Harbakhash Singh asked him: "Whether he was the General Officer commanding a division or a coolie? Why had he removed badges of rank and not shaved? Niranjan Prasad had no answer."
Pradhan's book contains many different entries by Indian Defense Minister Y.B. Chavan. A Sept 9, 1965 entry reads: Had a very hard day on all fronts. Very fierce counter-attacks mounted and we are required to withdraw in Kasur area. COAS was somewhat uncertain of himself. I suggested to him that he should go in forward areas so that he will be in touch of realities. He said he would go next day.

In Line of Duty: A Soldier Remembers, Lt Gen Harbakhsh Singh reveals that not only did Gen Chowdhury play a very small role in the entire campaign, he was so nervous as to be on the verge of losing half of Punjab to Pakistan, including the city of Amritsar. Harbakhsh describes, in clinical detail, how our own offensive in the Lahore sector had come unhinged. The general commanding the division on Ichchogil canal fled in panic, leaving his jeep, its wireless running and the briefcase containing sensitive documents that were then routinely read on Radio Pakistan during the war. Singh wanted to court martial him, Chowdhury let him get away with resignation.

According to Shekhar Gupta, the editor of Indian Express, Harbkhash Singh recounts that a bigger disaster struck a bit to the south where the other division cracked up in assault, just as it encountered a bit of resistance. Several infantry battalions, short on battle inoculation, deserted and Singh gives a hair-raising account – and confirmation of a long-debated rumor – that Chowdhury panicked so badly he ordered him to withdraw to a new defensive line behind the Beas, thereby conceding half of Punjab to Pakistan. Singh describes the conversation with Chowdhury at Ambala where he refused to carry out the order, asking his chief to either put it down in writing or visit the front and take charge of the battle.

The London Daily Mirror reported in 1965:

"There is a smell of death in the burning Pakistan sun. For it was here that India's attacking forces came to a dead stop.

"During the night they threw in every reinforcement they could find. But wave after wave of attacks were repulsed by the Pakistanis"

"India", said the London Daily Times, "is being soundly beaten by a nation which is outnumbered by four and a half to one in population and three to one in size of armed forces."

In Times reporter Louis Karrar wrote:

"Who can defeat a nation which knows how to play hide and seek with death".

USA - Aviation week & space technology - December 1968 issue.

"For the PAF, the 1965 war was as climatic as the Israeli victory over the Arabs in 1967. A further similarity was that Indian air power had an approximately 5:1 numerical superiority at the start of the conflict. Unlike the Middle East conflict, the Pakistani air victory was achieved to a large degree by air-to-air combat rather than on ground. But it was as absolute as that attained by Israel.

UK - Air International - November - 1991

" the average PAF pilot is almost certainly possessed of superior skills when compared with, say, an average American pilot. As to those who are rated above average, they compare favorably to the very best."

Encyclopaedia of Aircraft printed in several countries by Orbis publications - Volume 5

"Pakistan's air force gained a remarkable victory over India in this brief 22 day war exploiting its opponents weaknesses in exemplary style - Deeply shaken by reverse, India began an extensive modernisation and training program, meanwhile covering its defeat with effective propaganda smoke screen."

 

[INDIC]

@DESERT FIGHTER this one was Madra in ancient Western Punjab capital at Sakala(Sialkot) also the part of ancient Bharat.

Madra Kingdom - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

 

[DESERT FIGHTER]

When I read Mahabharat it mentions Sindhu kingdom as the part of ancient Bharat.

Sindhu Kingdom - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Yes and a monster who lived in sri lanka and a kingdom of monkeys that built a bridge on the ocean etc etc.

In short the Sindhis are native to Sindh and Sindh n Sindhu river is in Pakistan..

@DESERT FIGHTER this one was Madra in ancient Western Punjab capital at Sakala(Sialkot) also the part of ancient Bharat.

Madra Kingdom - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Yeah and mexico was ruled by hindus..

Yeah and you live with the alien culture forced upon you through invaders p:p

Funny.. my ancestors were the nvaders... live with it..

 

[INDIC]

Yes and a monster who lived in sri lanka and a kingdom of monkeys that built a bridge on the ocean etc etc.

In short the Sindhis are native to Sindh and Sindh n Sindhu river is in Pakistan..

But Sindhu and Madra all existed, even recorded in non-mythological history.Those regions are recorded in all Hindu, Buddhist and Jain scriptures and other non-religious historical documents of those times and historians agree on the existence of region, you can forget mythology part. Even middle Eastern and European records calls land East of Indus as India.

Hey another one for you from modern day Pakistan, Kekeya existed even during the time of Alexander's invasion and fought with Alexander and referred as the part of Bharat.

Kekeya Kingdom - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Yeah and mexico was ruled by hindus..

Greek called Sakala as Sagala and Madra also fought with Alexander during his invasion. You were just a foreigner from West side of the Indus not related to people of East of the Indus.

 

[KingMamba]

Most of the Sindhi Hindus migrated to India in 1947, while those left in Sindh are outsiders like Bhutto, Zardari(Baloch) and Sumroo(Arab origin), Mirs etc.No need to guess who owns the real heritage.

Lol this is desperate even on your part. Most Sindhi Hindus are still in Pakistan they make up most of Pakistani Hindus and secondly Sindhi Muslims were still around even if others also chose to settle in Sindh.

Greek called Sakala as Sagala and Madra also fought with Alexander during his invasion. You were just a foreigner from West side of the Indus not related to people of East of the Indus.

The fact that Baluch language and Sindhi have so many similarities shows that there is indeed a relationship between both sides of the Indus and besides it is those on the east of the Indus namely Punjabs and Sindhis who will decide who we decide to relate with not some Bhaiya from bihar.

 

[INDIC]

Lol this is desperate even on your part. Most Sindhi Hindus are still in Pakistan they make up most of Pakistani Hindus and secondly Sindhi Muslims were still around even if others also chose to settle in Sindh.

Yes, the real Sindhis from Balochistan. The Hindus in Sindh are both Sindhis and Bhils.

Zardaris are a Baloch tribe, historian reminds, much to audience’s amusement – The Express Tribune

The fact that Baluch language and Sindhi have so many similarities shows that there is indeed a relationship between both sides of the Indus and besides it is those on the east of the Indus namely Punjabs and Sindhis who will decide who we decide to relate with not some Bhaiya from bihar.

Baloch language and Sindhi similar languages?

 

[DESERT FIGHTER]

But Sindhu and Madra all existed, even recorded in non-mythological history.Those regions are recorded in all Hindu, Buddhist and Jain scriptures and other non-religious historical documents of those times and historians agree on the existence of region, you can forget mythology part. Even middle Eastern and European records calls land East of Indus as India.

Hey another one for you from modern day Pakistan, Kekeya existed even during the time of Alexander's invasion and fought with Alexander and referred as the part of Bharat.

Kekeya Kingdom - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia



Greek called Sakala as Sagala and Madra also fought with Alexander during his invasion. You were just a foreigner from West side of the Indus not related to people of East of the Indus.

 

[KingMamba]

Yes, the real Sindhis from Balochistan. The Hindus in Sindh are both Sindhis and Bhils.

Zardaris are a Baloch tribe, historian reminds, much to audience’s amusement – The Express Tribune

Are you retarded? Everyone knows zardari is a baluch tribe no one cares about that. You are trying to say there are no native Sindhis in Sindh? On top of that you are trying to say since some Sindhi Hindus went to India that India owns Indus valley culture lol well there are well over a million Hindus in the US, I guess you just lost your culture to America.

 

[Kabira]

@INDIC bhaiya is always humiliated by east punjabis even in this forum. Yet he always desperately try to associate himself with Pakistanis

 

[KingMamba]

Baloch language and Sindhi similar languages?

Do not show your ignorance they are indeed similar and if you ever heard Baluch or Sindhi in person you would know they share many words and sound quite alike. Lastly like I said Punjabis and Sindhis will decide who they want to relate to and we prefer Pashtuns and Baluch to the west of the Indus over the janglis of the ganges.

 

[Kabira]

Are you retarded? Everyone knows zardari is a baluch tribe no one cares about that. You are trying to say there are no native Sindhis in Sindh? On top of that you are trying to say since some Sindhi Hindus went to India that India owns Indus valley culture lol well there are well over a million Hindus in the US, I guess you just lost your culture to America.

Some sindhi hindus who are no longer sindhis but impure version with little to no connection with real sindh Zardari is 1000% more sindhi then any hindu sindhi with bhaiya blood.

And indic bhaiya if you didn't already notice, Sindh and Balochistan are right next to each other and have historical relations. While bhaiya land of Bihar which is near Bengaldesh is thousand miles away

 

[DESERT FIGHTER]

Yes, the real Sindhis from Balochistan. The Hindus in Sindh are both Sindhis and Bhils.

Zardaris are a Baloch tribe, historian reminds, much to audience’s amusement – The Express Tribune



Baloch language and Sindhi similar languages?

 

[INDIC]

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I see 75% Pakistan in west of the Indus river, you mean ancient Balochistan was India and Hind when India/Hind meant land east of the Indus river. Even the Muslim rulers of Hindustan never considered Balochistan as the part of Hindustan while ancient Arabs Sindh as Hind, not Balochistan.