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There is no doubt that Pakistan is in trouble. The world says that. Every Pakistani says that too. But the diagnoses of the two are different. That inclines Pakistan to disagree and take on the world for the wrong diagnosis. The world thinks Pakistan tolerates terrorism inside its territory and is either unwilling to counter it or lacks the capacity to do so. Pakistan thinks terrorism is caused by powers from outside (the US, India, Israel); therefore Pakistan has to fight these powers if possible with the help of its 'reformed' terrorists.

The world analyses Pakistan's disease in light of facts; Pakistan analyses the world outsides through strong emotion. It accomplishes the task in two methodologies that mutually undermine themselves. In English, it reveals facts about itself that are unsavoury. Those who do so can be bullied or even killed.

In Urdu, the paranoid response of the state is monolithic. English punctures the microcosm of a nationalist comprehension of the world. Urdu is the carrier of raw emotion and contains textbook solutions of crises. Urdu cannot violate the rule of its discourse. You can get away with the truth in English but not in Urdu. The state, the Taliban and Al Qaeda all scan Urdu carefully. You can get killed.

The Western assessment of Pakistan as a 'failing' terrorist state intimidated by the likes of Defence of Pakistan Council was prefaced this year by Stephen P Cohen's edited book The Future of Pakistan. In an interview he gave to Pakistani journalist Malik Siraj Akbar, he made the following observations after admitting that 'In my chapter, I paid special attention to the decline of the Pakistani state. The more I looked, the more pessimistic I became':

'The army can't govern the country effectively but it won't let others govern it either. This is the governance dilemma. Pakistan is stuck between being an outright military dictatorship and a stable democracy. Neither are likely, and an even less likely future would be a radical transformation and the rise of Islamists or a breakaway movement led by the Baloch or other separatist groups.

The world analyses Pakistan's disease in light of facts; Pakistan analyses the world outsides through strong emotion

'We did not see this coming soon, yet with the obvious breakdown of law and order, the decline of the economy, as well as a dysfunctional civilian-military relationship - change seems to be in the wind - but few of us can be precise about what that change will be. Pakistan is muddling through, but change and transformation are coming, I just don't know when or how.

'Weakness in governance, education, and the absence of land reform made Pakistan a victim of contemporary globalisation. It doesn't make much that anyone wants to buy, and it is cut off from its natural regional trading partners. Yet, the negative aspects of Islamist globalisation have hit Pakistan hard. Some of the weirdest ideas in the Islamic world have found rich soil in Pakistan, and the country is regarded as an epicentre of terrorism. Pakistan, which was once held up as the most moderate of the Islamic states, seems to be embracing extremists and their dysfunctional violent ideas'.

American scholar Christine Fair, regarded as a balanced commentator on Pakistan not long ago, said this in her Foreign Policy article What to do about Pakistan?(21 June, 2012): 'Pakistan is in crisis. Its courts act on whim rather than jurisprudence. Its political parties are vast pools of corrupt patronage networks that aggregate elite interests while disregarding the interests of Pakistan's struggling masses.

"We did not see this coming soon, yet with the obvious breakdown of law and order, the decline of the economy, as well as a dysfunctional civilian-military relationship - change seems to be in the wind - but few of us can be precise about what that change will be"

'Neither elected politicians nor military rulers have had the political courage to right the nation's fiscal woes by enforcing income tax or imposing industrial and agricultural taxes on the ruling elites and their networks of influence. While the army has retrenched from a direct role in politics, it has done so likely because it has no other option: Pakistan's military suffered a mighty humiliation after the bin Laden raid, which left many citizens wondering whether their country is a failed state, a rogue state, or both'.

Paula Newberg, the Marshall B Coyne Director of the Institute for the Study of Diplomacy at Georgetown University, is author of an early book about Pakistan's constitutional and judicial development and has made the following observations about Pakistan.

'As Pakistan's talks with NATO over transit to Afghanistan are deadlocked and its fledgling parliamentary system is struggling to stabilise, the country has received a knock from inside. In a move that amounts to a judicial coup d'etat, the country's Supreme Court has barred Prime Minister Yousaf Raza Gilani from office based on his conviction for contempt of court.

'The court has thrown the government into disarray, jeopardised domestic political relationships, cast a shadow over the country's fiscal stability and complicated Pakistan's exceedingly difficult foreign policy choices. The court's instructions to President Asif Ali Zardari "to ensure continuation of the democratic process through parliamentary system of government" - language ironic in tone if not intent - implicitly call for fresh elections, even while political authority is far from clear.

'The Supreme Court's opinion muddies the waters by challenging Pakistan's delicate civil-military balance, casting doubt on the neutrality and impartiality of the courts, and testing the fundamental constitutional relationships among the legislative, executive and judicial branches of government.

'For all its verbal obeisance to democracy, the court has forced the country into yet another domestic crisis when it had yet to muster the tools to solve its pressing foreign policy problems. With elections in both the US and Pakistan poised to change their terms of engagement, one more misstep could be costly indeed'.

The CNN website carried an article titled Pakistan collapsing from within (27 June 2012):

'This internal spectacle - Supreme Court's dismissal of the prime minister and the political turmoil enveloping Pakistan - will likely affect negotiations with the US over pressing issues such as the reopening of NATO supply routes. If the civilian government wants to make any serious concessions, the opposition will likely criticise the government and add to its already deep unpopularity. The government might then let the fear of this backlash impact their decision-making.

'Also, the step taken by the Supreme Court epitomises a wider, dangerous and historical trend in Pakistan: weak civilian governments find it difficult to command legitimacy and are constantly challenged by other internal institutions.

'History repeats itself all the time in Pakistan, and this is not a good sign for a country where the average time an elected government stays in power is less than two years. In a relatively stable democracy, several institutions serve as checks and balances on one another.

'Pakistan, however, is a land of extremes - scarcely anything survives in the country without morphing into a dangerously virulent version of itself. The government is getting weaker and more ineffective, the judiciary is taking its activism up a notch, the opposition is getting louder and more obstructive by the minute, and so on.

'In a country facing an economic crisis, an energy crisis and a growing population that far outstrips available resources, internal political strife is a time-consuming, distracting and often dangerous business'.

The two narratives are not reconcilable. As a weak and troubled state, Pakistan has to develop a flexible response to external challenges and seek help from worried global and regional friends to confront Al Qaeda and its local affiliates.

Analysis: American thumbs down for Pakistan by Khaled Ahmed
 
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Wouldn't the Pakistanis' SH!T THEMSELVES if we started jumping around in the streets chanting 'Death to Pakistan' and burned Pakistani flags and all the rest of the goofy stuff that they do towards the U.S. ? :woot:

Burning Pakistani flag would be less offensive than killing our countrymen and soldiers in uniform. So your "what if" is "already being done" and no you haven't made Pakistanis $hit themselves. Burning flags is nevertheless a way of protesting and this is still better than knocking heads off or burning infants, pregnant women and children in the name of peace and suspects. So let $hit lie with the country who deserves it more.
 
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Burning Pakistani flag would be less offensive than killing our countrymen and soldiers in uniform. So your "what if" is "already being done" and no you haven't made Pakistanis $hit themselves. Burning flags is nevertheless a way of protesting and this is still better than knocking heads off or burning infants, pregnant women and children in the name of "suspected militants". So let $hit lie with the country who deserves it more.
Cutting heads off? That's not our little trick, that's a Muslim game. We SHOULD try it tho...oh...and I'm gonna cry myself to sleep because some goat-herder stepped on a poorly-painted American flag. (can he even read the signs at the protest? Unlikely!)
 
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Cutting heads off? That's not our little trick, that's a Muslim game. We SHOULD try it tho...oh...and I'm gonna cry myself to sleep because some goat-herder stepped on a poorly-painted American flag. (can he even read the signs at the protest? Unlikely!)

Thanks for showing your polarization against Islam. We know it is not against terrorism but its war on Islam and you too are unconsciously accepting that. So $hit twice on your angle of thinking.
 
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Thanks for showing your polarization against Islam. We know it is not against terrorism but its war on Islam and you too are unconsciously accepting that. So $hit twice on your angle of thinking.

How is replying to the previous post showing an anti-Muslim bent? If I don't cheer for that idiot...I'm automaticaly anti-Muslim? OK, fine. If you don't like burning Korans...you are an Islamic western-hating extremist.
 
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<don't post pictures of dead children>

If you had tried not to be moronic, you had earned your comment for commenting citing of heads by Muslims and not for person standing on American Flag and not supporting it.
 
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No one gives a hoot in Pakistan for these loser oufits and authors who have sold their soul to the devil. Pakistani nation is strong and quite up to the challenge. Anything that does not kill Pakistanis only makes them stronger. America has egg on its face. Did I miss something or what ?

Correct me if I am wrong but did'nt Hillary Clinton just cried UNCLE last week when she apologized to Pakistan. Keep in mind that Obama apologized to Japan in 2011 for the Hiroshima/Nagasaki nuclear Holocast after 66 years and America still has not apologized to Vietnam since mid seventies for slaughter of 3 million Vietnamese.

Yet it took only 7 months for The mighty USA to get down to its knees to apologize to Pakistan. Rest is all chatter. This useless and impotent govt. of Pakistan is taking its last few breaths and most Pakistanis cannot wait for the next elections to root out this cancer. Thank god for the Pakistani Military to stand its ground and make Americans apologize for their actions. Please wipe the egg from your face before you speak.
 
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If you had not tried to be moronic, you must had learned that my reply was in response to your "Cutting of head is a Muslim trait" and not for failing to cheer for a protester standing on flag.
 
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Gotcha, but I am right on that...doesn't make me anti-Muslim...just pointing out that this is a well-known tactic of islamic extremeist...unless you have something that refutes my assertion.
 
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@graphican,

every image is not of drone attack..dont mislead ppl.

Every attack kills innocents without prosecution, trial or conviction - what is your point of picking an image which is killed at some other place and not on x and y coordinate where drone hit. Every time a strike is made, it kills innocents.. even if they were male and adults, those were still killed for just being suspected. How much appreciating do you expect thinking that deaths and brutal killings are not matter worthy of comment for you but an image which was taken somewhere else is matter of concern and correction?
 
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Every image kills innocents without prosecution, trial or conviction - what is your point of picking an image which is killed at some other place and not on x and y coordinate where drone hit. Every time a strike is made, it kills innocents.. even if they were male and adults, those were still killed for just being suspected. How much appreciating do you expect thinking that deaths and brutal killings are not matter worthy of comment for you but an image which was taken somewhere else is matter of pinching and concern?
What he is pointing out...well, let's give an example...I put up some pictures of dead children from Africa...and claim they are christians killed by pakistani Taliban...it's misleading.
 
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Wouldn't the Pakistanis' SH!T THEMSELVES if we started jumping around in the streets chanting 'Death to Pakistan' and burned Pakistani flags and all the rest of the goofy stuff that they do towards the U.S. ? :woot:

The flag thing is uncalled for, but lets face it, these are guys who usually have had a child killed at the hands of the American bombardment of Pakistan. Try explaining civic codes to a parent who has lost a child in your barbaric attacks.

I've removed the flag picture, but I have not had any relative of mine killed by Americans yet.
 
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@ juice
American Arrogance........What can i say ...... in drone attack human dies yet some animals gets happiness...... World biggest supporter of democracy themselves kills person without any judicial hearing without listening to the alleged person's point of view...... I wont say that it is your mistake rather i will say that it is my or our mistake that we are weak and couldn't give you appropriate response......for killing our people......
 
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