American Muslims....Food for thought?

[Dubious]

https://www.facebook.com/video.php?v=10153169520816631

Yet people say we dont voice out....Question is actually do you really listen?

 

[RabzonKhan]

https://www.facebook.com/video.php?v=10153169520816631

Yet people say we dont voice out....Question is actually do you really listen?

Thanks for posting the video it was quite insightful.

I hope you don’t mind if I ask you a little controversial question, once Muslims become majority in the West, should they replace the Constitutions of the Western countries with Sharia?

 

[Aestu]

The real question is whether Muslims in the West ever talk about anything other than their own complaints about the West. By contrast, most Jews are Democrats for reasons that have nothing to do with their ethnic interest.

No one is impressed that these gimmes make videos complaining about life in the US. Rather, it strengthens perceptions that these are people who demand to live in countries they hate and seek to impose their failed ideas on successful societies.

I hope you don’t mind if I ask you a little controversial question, once Muslims become majority in the West, should they replace the Constitutions of the Western countries with Sharia?

When the Muslims try to do this, they will be expelled.
Muslims will eventually try to do it, therefore, they will eventually be expelled.

 

[VCheng]

these are people who demand to live in countries they hate and seek to impose their failed ideas on successful societies.

Blunt but true comment.

 

[RabzonKhan]

The real question is whether Muslims in the West ever talk about anything other than their own complaints about the West.

I somehow agree with you, I came to United States in 2009 and the majority of Muslim I've met here are whiners. This forum is also a good example, many Muslim members with American flags never miss an opportunity to throw trash at US.

By contrast, most Jews are Democrats for reasons that have nothing to do with their ethnic interest.

Now, that is not true, there is certainly a influential minority that is more loyal to Israel than to United States.

Bty, I am a donation paying member of J Steert.

No one is impressed that these gimmes make videos complaining about life in the US. Rather, it strengthens perceptions that these are people who demand to live in countries they hate and seek to impose their failed ideas on successful societies.

Spot on.

When the Muslims try to do this, they will be expelled.
Muslims will eventually try to do it, therefore, they will eventually be expelled.

When you say, Muslims will be expelled, that is wrong, I’m Muslim and I’m more loyal to this country than many people who were born in this country. Try to learn the difference between a Muslim and Islamist.

 

[Thəorətic Muslim]

I hope you don’t mind if I ask you a little controversial question, once Muslims become majority in the West, should they replace the Constitutions of the Western countries with Sharia?

You do know the Constitution has values inherent in the Abrahamic Religions?

Muhammad Sculpture Inside Supreme Court a Gesture of Goodwill - Law Blog - WSJ

No one is impressed that these gimmes make videos complaining about life in the US. Rather, it strengthens perceptions that these are people who demand to live in countries they hate and seek to impose their failed ideas on successful societies.

So, your saying the soundbites the media shows their viewers about 10 seconds of a protest in Iran after the Friday prayers is representative of the entire Iranian population?

 

[Dubious]

should they replace the Constitutions of the Western countries with Sharia?

To answer this one should know what Shariah really is....It isnt a solid book of law...If you trace Shariah through the years...you will see it has changed greatly from when it was 1st introduced.

It is like any law: - dynamic.

The problem with MOST of the shariah is it was mounded based on the culture instead of the religion. So alot of cultural things seeped in that is why you see war mongers claiming things which we have not heard as part of Shariah!

The thing, God gives you what is best...Either you take it and build on it....meaning you are ahead of time. Or you reach it on your own....slow but still manage to reach!

Let me give you an example:

The oldest university with proper exams and a set up more like modern universities was Actually built by a Muslim woman in the mid 800s AD when Europe was still figuring out if women had souls and were worth respecting!

The University of al-Qarawiyyin is the oldest existing university and the first degree awarding education institution in the world. It was founded by Fatima al-Fihri.

According to UNESCO, al-Qarawiyyin University, which was founded in 859, is mostly referred to the oldest university and one of the leading educational and spiritual centres in the Islamic history

Read More : Wrong to suggest Islam does not appreciate women, says renowned academician | New Straits Times | Malaysia General Business Sports and Lifestyle News

Incase indians get a heart attack here ...the uni is :

"oldest existing, and *continually operating* educational institution"

So awarding a 1st degree as we know today as well as still operating!

While in Europe is

. The University of Bologna, Italy, was founded in 1088 and is the oldest one in Europe.

To not confuse it with schools: The Sumerians had scribal schools or É-Dub-ba soon after 3500BC.

Or with oldest uni which died was prob Nalanda, in Bihar, However, that uni hasnt been proven to either give degree nor about its subjects still continuing!

Now if Islam gave us a 200 yr early start....We can reach it after 200 yrs on our own as in Bologna or we can follow Islam and reach it earlier as in Al Qarawiyyin!

Same goes with the rights of women which ARE found in Shariah and hence why Khadijah, Fatimah and Aisha were and still are held high and all the other Sahaba....in 600 AD...What was Europe doing back then to their women?

It is however true Europe has reached and advanced further when we see Scandinavia or other Western countries...But mind you we also see other problems due to lack of balance:
Italy’s divorced men ‘terrorised by sly, greedy women’ | The Sunday Times
Divorce - Do women win too much?
Foreign men share their reasons for divorcing Japanese wives ‹ Japan Today: Japan News and Discussion
BBC NEWS | Business | Divorce 'makes men richer'

Mind you some religion dont even allow divorce other "societies" go with "log kiya kahain gay" so isnt it nice a system is set and tells you how to go about it? This is just 1 example of what Shariah is (I know many think that Shariah is all about chopping people's hands up but that is only a small part of Shariah and the extreme part to deter crimes not to punish or judge!

As you can see there isnt a limit a balance set as experimentation is still going on! Shariah does provide the solution in the sense it tells you to think and the 3 talaq is very interesting system (if one knows about it our jahil nation just gives all 3 in 1 go which is never right nor considered in "shariah" it is supposed to be 3 separate times not 3 talaq words....I have a detailed explanation from a scholar

Muslims in the West ever talk about anything other than their own complaints about the West.

Yea they just some how reach positions through bribery America has a bribery problem than!
I assume that red is never
Nope they dont do anything else but whine and complain: How American Muslims Are Helping Black Churches Rebuild After Spate Of Fires

In fact, American Muslim and Arab-American organizations and leaders were among the first to react in an organized fashion to condemn the terrorist attacks on that very same day, long before it became clear that individuals calling themselves Muslims were involved in the attacks.

How American Muslims Really Responded to September 11 (by Riad Z. Abdelkarim & Jason Erb) - Media Monitors Network

Unlike you I see them talk about plenty of their host country where blind people like you can never get enough!

demand to live in countries they hate

You advertise democracy and secularism BUT you behave like barbarians and the according to your laws it is their right to complain if they are discriminated...Now why have such laws when you REFUSE for anyone other than white to use it?

They dont need to demand anything....They are as American as you are

American Muslims in the United States | Teaching Tolerance

I've met here are whiners.

I am sorry you need to OVER GENERALIZE based on your limited interaction with Muslims in America but even your president acknowledges them: Obama praises Muslim immigrants for helping build America | Washington Examiner

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Welcome to the American Muslims for Hunger Relief (AFMHR)

 

[RabzonKhan]

You do know the Constitution has values inherent in the Abrahamic Religions?

Muhammad Sculpture Inside Supreme Court a Gesture of Goodwill - Law Blog - WSJ

I don’t know what you’re referring to, but to best of my knowledge the US Constitution is secular.

To answer this one should know what Shariah really is....It isnt a solid book of law...If you trace Shariah through the years...you will see it has changed greatly from when it was 1st introduced.

It is like any law: - dynamic.

The problem with MOST of the shariah is it was mounded based on the culture instead of the religion. So alot of cultural things seeped in that is why you see war mongers claiming things which we have not heard as part of Shariah!

The thing, God gives you what is best...Either you take it and build on it....meaning you are ahead of time. Or you reach it on your own....slow but still manage to reach!

Let me give you an example:

The oldest university with proper exams and a set up more like modern universities was Actually built by a Muslim woman in the mid 800s AD when Europe was still figuring out if women had souls and were worth respecting!



Incase indians get a heart attack here ...the uni is :

So awarding a 1st degree as we know today as well as still operating!

While in Europe is

To not confuse it with schools: The Sumerians had scribal schools or É-Dub-ba soon after 3500BC.

Or with oldest uni which died was prob Nalanda, in Bihar, However, that uni hasnt been proven to either give degree nor about its subjects still continuing!

Now if Islam gave us a 200 hr yr early start....We can reach it after 200 yrs on our own as in Bologna or we can follow Islam and reach it earlier as in Al Qarawiyyin!

Same goes with the rights of women which ARE found in Shariah and hence why Khadijah, Fatimah and Aisha were and still are held high and all the other Sahaba....in 600 AD...What was Europe doing back then to their women?

It is however true Europe has reached and advanced further when we see Scandinavia or other Western countries...But mind you we also see other problems due to lack of balance:
Italy’s divorced men ‘terrorised by sly, greedy women’ | The Sunday Times
Divorce - Do women win too much?
Foreign men share their reasons for divorcing Japanese wives ‹ Japan Today: Japan News and Discussion
BBC NEWS | Business | Divorce 'makes men richer'

Mind you some religion dont even allow divorce other "societies" go with "log kiya kahain gay" so isnt it nice a system is set and tells you how to go about it? This is just 1 example of what Shariah is (I know many think that Shariah is all about chopping people's hands up but that is only a small part of Shariah and the extreme part to deter crimes not to punish or judge!

As you can see there isnt a limit a balance set as experimentation is still going on! Shariah does provide the solution in the sense it tells you to think and the 3 talaq is very interesting system (if one knows about it our jahil nation just gives all 3 in 1 go which is never right nor considered in "shariah" it is supposed to be 3 separate times not 3 talaq words....I have a detailed explanation from a scholar


Yea they just some how reach positions through bribery America has a bribery problem than!
I assume that red is never
Nope they dont do anything else but whine and complain: How American Muslims Are Helping Black Churches Rebuild After Spate Of Fires



How American Muslims Really Responded to September 11 (by Riad Z. Abdelkarim & Jason Erb) - Media Monitors Network

Unlike you I see them talk about plenty of their host country where blind people like you can never get enough!


You advertise democracy and secularism BUT you behave like barbarians and the according to your laws it is their right to complain if they are discriminated...Now why have such laws when you REFUSE for anyone other than white to use it?

They dont need to demand anything....They are as American as you are

American Muslims in the United States | Teaching Tolerance


I am sorry you need to OVER GENERALIZE based on your limited interaction with Muslims in America but even your president acknowledges them: Obama praises Muslim immigrants for helping build America | Washington Examiner

Home - Muslims Against Hunger Project

Welcome to the American Muslims for Hunger Relief (AFMHR)

Akheilos, thanks for your reply.

I was just sharing my personal experience, sorry if it gave the impression that I was generalizing.

 

[Hamartia Antidote]

Now, that is not true, there is certainly a influential minority that is more loyal to Israel than to United States.

While no doubt there are a number of influential Jewish Americans people who are definitely pro-Israel you'd be surprised at how many Jews actually think Israelis are nutty. The thing is they think everybody in that areas is even more crazy. So if they seem to be supporting Israel it's only because they think everybody else is worse.

 

[RabzonKhan]

While no doubt there are a number of influential Jewish Americans people who are definitely pro-Israel you'd be surprised at how many Jews actually think Israelis are nutty. The thing is they think everybody in that areas is even more crazy. So if they seem to be supporting Israel it's only because they think everybody else is worse.

I have a big problem with people who put Israel’s interest before America’s interest.

I am a donation paying member of J Street: The Political Home for Pro-Israel, Pro-Peace Americans . It’s a Jewish organization, which is pro-America and pro-peace, it supports two state solution and does not blindly support the agenda of Netanyahu and the American-neocons.

 

[FullMetalJacket]

I somehow agree with you, I came to United States in 2009 and the majority of Muslim I've met here are whiners. This forum is also a good example, many Muslim members with American flags never miss an opportunity to throw trash at US.


Now, that is not true, there is certainly a influential minority that is more loyal to Israel than to United States.

Bty, I am a donation paying member of J Steert.


Spot on.



When you say, Muslims will be expelled, that is wrong, I’m Muslim and I’m more loyal to this country than many people who were born in this country. Try to learn the difference between a Muslim and Islamist.

Americans today will go nuts if you present the idea of removing their rights to bare arms which is written in their consitution, and here you're proposing to implement sharia in U.S of all places. How much more obsurd can you get? Why do you want to force your own religious laws in other countries? Why is that such a big thing for muslims? Why not just have sharia inside your own house that you own, that's a better idea. Keep your barbaric ideologies to yourselves, please.

 

[Hamartia Antidote]

https://www.facebook.com/video.php?v=10153169520816631

Yet people say we dont voice out....Question is actually do you really listen?

Well unfortunately for each handful of good statistics somebody can easily toss in a bad statistic to ruin it...and those tend to raise eyebrows more than the good ones. Prison statistics is one. Although you can make a strong case for instance that Nation of Islam followers in the US aren't really Muslims.

But then people will do this:
What is going wrong in France's prisons? - Telegraph

Why the surge in Muslim prisoners? - BBC News

Then it gets all messy with racial stuff.

 

[Dubious]

Well unfortunately for each handful of good statistics somebody can easily toss in a bad statistic to ruin it...

Surprisingly NEVER done for America...I mean how many American indians did you guys kill again?

https://www.facebook.com/video.php?v=522456597917232

And literally named them indians coz Columbus who got lost thought he reached in india and instead of admitting it went on a killing spree?

The same with British and Aborigines! Or if you want recent records America and Afghan/ Iraq hospital "accidental bombing" - Not even lone wolf if you ask me!

those tend to raise eyebrows more than the good ones.

Eyebrows? One should be raising peace protests for the atrocities committed under the name of freedom!

Although you can make a strong case for instance that Nation of Islam followers in the US aren't really Muslims.

Isnt it supposed to be the other way round? That what you bombardingly show the world terrorist and label them Muslims A-R-E-N-T!

Queen Rania: Let's Drop The First 'I' In ISIS. There's Nothing Islamic About Them

Either you guys are ignorant or are deaf ...

 

[Zibago]

Muhammad Muhammad Ali move like a butterfly sting like a bee

 

[RabzonKhan]

Americans today will go nuts if you present the idea of removing their rights to bare arms which is written in their consitution, and here you're proposing to implement sharia in U.S of all places. How much more obsurd can you get? Why do you want to force your own religious laws in other countries? Why is that such a big thing for muslims? Why not just have sharia inside your own house that you own, that's a better idea. Keep your barbaric ideologies to yourselves, please.

Oh my goodness, that’s really embarrassing. I’m a die-hard secularist and I strongly believe in a separation of religion and state in the Constitution. Please read my posts again.