American attack aftermath: Pakistan declares attack a 'plot'

[Mercenary]

Some time ago around July I put up a thread which now seems relevant??


CIA And Pentagon Itching For Pakistan War

WEDNESDAY, JULY 13, 2011
CIA And Pentagon Itching For Pakistan War
By Ahmed Quraishi at 2:40 AM

Someone is working overtime in Washington to scuttle President Obama's and the American people's wish to end the war in Afghanistan.

The more America gets closer to that goal, CIA and US military in Afghanistan do something stupid to raise tensions with Pakistan. The drones have been doing that job for some time now. But recently CIA operatives have joined hands with likeminded rogue elements inside NDS [the National Directorate of Security, the Afghan spy service] to train, arm and send hundreds of terrorists across international borders into Pakistan to kill Pakistani civilians and soldiers. When Pakistan protests, US and NATO officers have a ready answer: It's the Taliban, what can we say.

The purpose of these antics is nothing but to harass Pakistani citizens and military and just avenge Pakistan's refusal to submit to CIA demands.

There is another reason for CIA's rude awakening in Pakistan.

Pakistanis have misled the agency hotshots for some time into believing that dealing with Pakistanis is like dealing with the defeated and conquered Iraqis and the Northern Alliance puppets in Afghanistan.

Why Pakistanis did this? I don't honestly know. Maybe for US aid, or maybe to cooperate with the Americans in the hope that this time the United States will not prove to be a two-timing untrustworthy ally.

But when CIA went too far in treating Pakistan as a conquered territory, someone in Islamabad had to give Langley a wake-up-and-smell-the-coffee call.

The bottom line is that now CIA is trying hard to cause a military standoff between the United States and Pakistan in the hope of derailing Mr. Obama's plans for a drawdown.

The CIA and US commanders in Afghanistan are doing everything they can to provoke Pakistani military into armed retaliation.

I am not sure what messages Pakistani military commanders are sending to the peeved Americans. But those messages are certainly not good because Admiral Mike Mullen was so angry the other day he accused ISI of murdering a Pakistani journalist.

Imagine this: a US Chairman Joint Chiefs turning into a homicide detective for a day!

If I had the liberty of sending a message to the honchos at Bagram base, it would be this:

The Soviets were smarter.

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[Mercenary]

long and tedious process? if it wasn't for the respect of the fallen soldiers, I would have laughed at this statement.

Interviews can be done in a day or two, three days tops, how many time you wanna interview them anyway? Sending a team out on the ground can be done simultanously while interviews are being conducted and so can the investigation on the amount of ammo fired.

It's not like there only two three guys investigating. There are number of officers readily available and a lot of data is available from the get go. i.e. flight records, destination, duration en route, amount of ammo left with, amount came back with etc.

I can safely say a week's time is a lot for a well detailed report. But I have mentioned before they have other ulterior motives for prolonging the release of the report.

There are a multidue of different actors at play here.

The Commanders who authorized the raid. The Intelligence officers who gave intel to the commanders for the raid. The informants who thold the intelligence officers about the target. The soldiers who carried out the raid. The air crew, infantry, special operations forces, etc.

So this a multipronged approach into figuring out what exactly happened.

Look Its apparent you have Zero knowledge on such subject matters. And you are analyzing this from watching CSI. But in reality, its a lot different.

Information has to be collected. Vetted, re-collected if there are discrepencies, and verified and make sure the entire puzzle fits together and there are no holes.

I am sorry if you fail to understand this process.

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good point, also remember how many discrepencies were there in the information that kept getting released. They shot him cuz marines thought he was wearing a suicide vest, later.... they shot him cuz he was reaching for a gun. he opened fire, no didn't open fire, he used his wife as a human shield, no it was one of the children.

and here ppl are hung up on 2.5 km.

Exactly. Because those statements came out without an official report on his death being released. And thats why you had the contradictions.

So you just proved my point.

 

[Khan_patriot]

just scrambling the jets would have caused a retreat back across the border and all this trouble could have been avoided.........
if only men with balls were in power......

 

[Mercenary]

problem with us Pakistanis is that we are reactive not proactive. And sometimes not even reactive. We deal with this issue amongst ourselves as a civil society all the time but it's disheartening to see our top institutions also crippling with the same effect.

Not providing these outer posts with sufficient fire power to counter aerial attack is indeed negligence of duty. Hopefully, now troops out there will be provided such MANPADS to defend againt helis. That's being reactive. But they wont be proactive to plan ahead incase next time nato uses jets.

And do you think Pakistan has an infiite supply of MANPADS?

And besides, those posts were set up to defend against Taliban Terrorists. The Taliban has no air power, so why would Pakistan Army waste its resrouces staffing these areas with MANPADS?

This was an accident which needs to be fully investigated and made sure nothing of the sort like this ever happens again.

 

[F.O.X]

I don't think 12.7mm anti obsolete-second world war era aircraft weapon can do any damage to a current attack chopper. Our posts should have been armed with our own Anza MK-III and I am sure that would have downed the helicopters.

The Reason forward posts on Afg side don't have Man pads is due to the fact Taliban dont use Helis , but after this attack if things goes towards worse they may be provided with batter AA equipment.

 

[Safriz]

aur loo pungaa pakistan saiy..

 

[mr42O]

Nato attacked Pakistanies in hope of Pakistan will answer back. Americans will find a reason to attack Pakistan as it cant do as today. When i mean attack i mean full scaled war in Waziristan etc.

Why Pakistani airforce wasnt sent in is because lets say full scale war is started Pakistani air force fuel which is blocked by Americans ships in arabian sea. If i am not wrong Pakistan cant get from Iran either. So in other words we are surrounded by enemy who want us to answer.

What i read in Indian newspapir India is fully prepared with isrealies to take out Pakistani defence and take out our nukes. Indian Isrealie lobby is working to get rid of our nukes before USA leave Afghanistan. They think they will never get this chance again.

Thats reason Pakistan did not completly cut of ties with Afgan taliban.IF they have any connection at all. I fully understand them now.

As i predicted. Indians made big movement along Pakistani borders and has start miltary exercise today. In a program on ARY news a defence expert said Pakistan has fuel for only 6 days for there jet fighters.

Now question is did Indian had this exercise planned along time ago ? NO so who did told them to do so and whats India up too ?

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Please dont pull India into this for the sake of it , Its Pakistan vs Uncle Sam n its NATO stooges in all this ,

India wants a stable Pakistan so that India can concentrate on its development rather than get embroiled in useless conflicts !

Sorry sir India and Indians are dragging them self inn as always offcourse you will deny..... look at my above post and explain

 

[mr42O]

ARY News :- Army cheif has given his troops to answer any attack from any one. Does not need permissions any more as they did before.....

 

[Xestan]

I had received this news today at morning but had no confirmation, now News channels are also reporting on it.

A top-secret corps commanders conference was held in the morning right after the NATO/ISAF attacks at Salala. Pakistan's Army Chief General Ashfaq Pervez Kayani had directed all his Corps Commanders and their respective units to give a fierce reply to any aggression from the Afghan side using all resources possible. It was also directed that units were no longer bound to take permission from senior authorities for retaliatory fire; Pakistan Army was ordered to fight back with whatever supplies they had. This was also been issued as a notification in case further aggression takes place in the future.

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I don't know if this is right to say but Army Cheif has dismantled the Command and Chain structure for the Western Border as well, no more "wait for the orders", if troops receive fire from the NATO/US forces, the most senior officer present at the spot is now given full authority to take decisions. Furhter more in his letter to the troops which was sent to all the Units of Pakistan Army 2 days ago, Army Chief expressed his regret about not involving PAF into the incident and assured that from now on Troops at border will be provided with every possible reinforcement.

Details are coming slowly. If anyone else has any inside news, please share.

 

[Emmie]

How authentic is the news? If its true then i think its quite vindicated for too many reasons, one being to avoid any mutiny within Army.

 

[sachin@india]

That should always be the case. why ambiguity in first place ?

 

[wmdisinfo]

Dunya News: Pakistan:-COAS suspends command, chain system to thwart aggr...


COAS General Ashfaq Parvez Kayani has suspended command and chain system to counter any aggression.


Sources said the Army Chief has suspended the command and chain system in order to enable the senior officers on the posts to take appropriate action in case Pakistani forces come under attack.

Sources said that decision would however be applicable to eventualities involving Nato troops.

Sources said that General Kayani has also ordered the troops to counter any aggression with full force and defend the motherland against any assailant. General Kayani has also said that the Pak Air Force should have taken action while Nato helicopters had violated the Pakistani airspace and attacked the Pakistani posts, sources said.

General Kayani has also observed that the communication of the attacked posts had snapped after the Nato attack. He said that now the senior officer on the ground would decide about counter measures.

 

[Pioneerfirst]

it is not the case even in declared war some times.At least the matter will have to reach up to brigade or Div commander level

 

[regular]

Yes! the commanders at the borders shold have the full authority to take any measure to defend themselves...Nobody can steal something from our land but the enemies always try to kill our soldiers or civilians . The defence is required for the human lives need to be defended at all costs. If our JF thunders can't go and fight against US/NATO then they shold be thrown out in dustbins and whole PAF shold be sent home...no need for them if they can't even save the lives of their own officers and soldiers getting killed mercilessly on the borderz...

 

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ABU DHABI: The United Arab Emirates on Wednesday demanded of NATO to apologise to Pakistan for the deaths of its 24 soldiers in an airstrike at a military post along the Pak-Afghan border, but denied it sought an extension from Pakistan to extend the deadline to vacate Shamsi Air Base.

UAE Foreign Minister Sheikh Abdullah Bin Zayed Al-Nahyan, who recently returned from an unscheduled visit to Pakistan to meet its leadership, dispelled reports of any discussion regarding the vacation of an air base near Quetta.

The base is allegedly being used by the American CIA for a clandestine drone programme inside Pakistan and there have been reports that the Shamsi base was under the use of the government of UAE. The UAE government has neither confirmed nor denied owning the base.

“The UAE did not talk about the Shamsi air base, nor the Pakistan side talked about it,” the UAE Foreign Minister told reporters from 43 countries through an interpreter.

He said that if NATO was using any of the facilities in Pakistan, it was for both the sides to discuss it. app

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