American attack aftermath: Pakistan declares attack a 'plot'

[T-Rex]

ISPR has denied any 'new clash'

Associated Press Of Pakistan ( Pakistan's Premier NEWS Agency ) - No fresh clash between Pakistan Army, Nato forces: ISPR Spokesman

All over Iran Mossad is committing terrorism and Iran claims that nothing is happening. Now, Pakistan is trying to mimic Iran.

 

[lem34]

Another thing to consider is that the US budget deficit is ballooning out of control, and most of the options being discussed to cut the deficit are talking about significant cuts to the defence budget in the US.

By deliberately attacking the Pakistani posts, and trying to instigate a military response from Pakistan that would escalate into a military confrontation (albeit limited), perhaps the hope was the Congress and the American public would come together and demur from cutting the defence budget.

Some time ago around July I put up a thread which now seems relevant??


CIA And Pentagon Itching For Pakistan War

WEDNESDAY, JULY 13, 2011
CIA And Pentagon Itching For Pakistan War
By Ahmed Quraishi at 2:40 AM

Someone is working overtime in Washington to scuttle President Obama's and the American people's wish to end the war in Afghanistan.

The more America gets closer to that goal, CIA and US military in Afghanistan do something stupid to raise tensions with Pakistan. The drones have been doing that job for some time now. But recently CIA operatives have joined hands with likeminded rogue elements inside NDS [the National Directorate of Security, the Afghan spy service] to train, arm and send hundreds of terrorists across international borders into Pakistan to kill Pakistani civilians and soldiers. When Pakistan protests, US and NATO officers have a ready answer: It's the Taliban, what can we say.

The purpose of these antics is nothing but to harass Pakistani citizens and military and just avenge Pakistan's refusal to submit to CIA demands.

There is another reason for CIA's rude awakening in Pakistan.

Pakistanis have misled the agency hotshots for some time into believing that dealing with Pakistanis is like dealing with the defeated and conquered Iraqis and the Northern Alliance puppets in Afghanistan.

Why Pakistanis did this? I don't honestly know. Maybe for US aid, or maybe to cooperate with the Americans in the hope that this time the United States will not prove to be a two-timing untrustworthy ally.

But when CIA went too far in treating Pakistan as a conquered territory, someone in Islamabad had to give Langley a wake-up-and-smell-the-coffee call.

The bottom line is that now CIA is trying hard to cause a military standoff between the United States and Pakistan in the hope of derailing Mr. Obama's plans for a drawdown.

The CIA and US commanders in Afghanistan are doing everything they can to provoke Pakistani military into armed retaliation.

I am not sure what messages Pakistani military commanders are sending to the peeved Americans. But those messages are certainly not good because Admiral Mike Mullen was so angry the other day he accused ISI of murdering a Pakistani journalist.

Imagine this: a US Chairman Joint Chiefs turning into a homicide detective for a day!

If I had the liberty of sending a message to the honchos at Bagram base, it would be this:

The Soviets were smarter.

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[Super Falcon]

when did we opened the airsppace for NAto sir we did not never ever officially opened airspace for them so how do we close now yes what we can do bring our SAM systems near to whole afghan border and also bring pehawar airbase on red alert from now what ever they see no need to ask just go and kill them no matter who is in that radar

 

[sid0]

yes!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

 

[r3alist]

And again.. I AM NOT TRYING TO JUSTIFY NATO ATTACK... Only suggesting that NATO's official report on this will provide important insight into the incident that needs to be factored in before a final understanding can be arrived at on this issue.. We at defence.pk may decide not to, but Pakistani govt surely will

You know what you are doing.

The 2.5km point was not an isolated issue, you removed all other points, but you keep on mentioning that point.


Also NATO are bound to come up with their own version, unlikely to admit to murder, so what's the big fuss about their report, only useful unless you believe NATO will not lie, logically speaking they WILL lie.

 

[iPhone]

Thats because the Osama raid was planned in great detail.

This was a hot pursuit into Pakistan gone wrong.

US and NATO will need to come with a detailed report stating what went wrong.

They will interview the ground commanders, the soliders who took part in the raid, re-interview them for any discrepancies, check facts on the ground.

Its a long and tedious process.

long and tedious process? if it wasn't for the respect of the fallen soldiers, I would have laughed at this statement.

Interviews can be done in a day or two, three days tops, how many time you wanna interview them anyway? Sending a team out on the ground can be done simultanously while interviews are being conducted and so can the investigation on the amount of ammo fired.

It's not like there only two three guys investigating. There are number of officers readily available and a lot of data is available from the get go. i.e. flight records, destination, duration en route, amount of ammo left with, amount came back with etc.

I can safely say a week's time is a lot for a well detailed report. But I have mentioned before they have other ulterior motives for prolonging the release of the report.

 

[iPhone]

I think the sheer detail of the ISPR account embarrasses the US. It says its not accurate but shies from saying - which part is not accurate? Moreover how does it know its not accurate when it does not have its own story straight.

Recall in the Osama raid, the US had details pouring out like anything within minutes, and here nothing after a week?

good point, also remember how many discrepencies were there in the information that kept getting released. They shot him cuz marines thought he was wearing a suicide vest, later.... they shot him cuz he was reaching for a gun. he opened fire, no didn't open fire, he used his wife as a human shield, no it was one of the children.

and here ppl are hung up on 2.5 km.

 

[Zabaniyah]

Okay...and just how are they going to do that? What if the USA don't like and still 'insist' on carrying out it's usual activities?

 

[iPhone]

I don't think 12.7mm anti obsolete-second world war era aircraft weapon can do any damage to a current attack chopper. Our posts should have been armed with our own Anza MK-III and I am sure that would have downed the helicopters.

problem with us Pakistanis is that we are reactive not proactive. And sometimes not even reactive. We deal with this issue amongst ourselves as a civil society all the time but it's disheartening to see our top institutions also crippling with the same effect.

Not providing these outer posts with sufficient fire power to counter aerial attack is indeed negligence of duty. Hopefully, now troops out there will be provided such MANPADS to defend againt helis. That's being reactive. But they wont be proactive to plan ahead incase next time nato uses jets.

 

[Super Falcon]

well than usual counter attacks they should face in pakistani teritory and pakistani airspace only one should be acting pak armed forces even UN security councill has law no country forces attack and go for action on any country soil but unfortunatly UN is ***** of USA so it will never act against US

 

[Jango]

A team consisting of 8 Pakistan Army officials, 2 PAF officials, and other members from FIA, Intelligence agencies, Customs, and other relevant authorities has reached Shamsi airbase.

The aircraft will be directly flown out of Pakistan territory and not to Chaklala Airbase.

 

[opps]

Wrong question: Should Pakistan close its air space for NATO?
Right thing to ask isoes Pakistan have guts to close airspace?

Answer for now:wake me when it happens.

 

[salmakh84]

From the statements being given by the civilian government and the military, 'an apology is not enough' statements, it seems the issue may drag down for smoetime.

-NATO supplies blocked permanently, says the FM and Rehman Malik
-Shamsi to be vacated by Dec 11
-Bonn conference bycott
-A official document sent to the UN to see in the matter that US has violated UN mandate, but it just gets regarded as a piece of trash ( Oh, the irony)
-All relations with ISAF/NATO to be reviewed on intelligence, military, political level.

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Are you sure this was a hot-pursuit gone wrong?

Explains it all perfectly. The white flag raised by the soldiers at the post, but still gunned down.

The facts from the Pakistani side are established, good enough for me and most of us.

Again, the image says it all.

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At night, it is difficult to shoot down Apaches with 12.7mm guns, hovering at a distance.

Time has come to issue MANPADS to selected posts, and give a strong message.

The amount of troops has increased in some agencies , according to GOC Peshawar.

You believe our FM and Rehman Malik? Lols # 1
The latest reports indicate that they have said supplies could resume if NATO apologizes.

And for people who for some reason DONT believe that our army and generals are in american lap just like our politicians, explain this: Hundreds of US troops housed at Shahbaz base: US think tank THIS IS AFTER NATO :p

And what about old news that told us (by ISPR etc) that Shamsi is already vacated and it was with UAE who gave it to USA bla bla bla... and then we get pictures in 2007 with Pak Army/Airforce "visiting" and hugging the drones!!!

Like I said in a previous post.. this is a Big opportunity for our generals to milk the drying american aid... they made a mistake, and now they are going to pay for it.. in $$$$$

 

[Jango]

You believe our FM and Rehman Malik? Lols # 1
The latest reports indicate that they have said supplies could resume if NATO apologizes.

And for people who for some reason DONT believe that our army and generals are in american lap just like our politicians, explain this: Hundreds of US troops housed at Shahbaz base: US think tank THIS IS AFTER NATO :p

And what about old news that told us (by ISPR etc) that Shamsi is already vacated and it was with UAE who gave it to USA bla bla bla... and then we get pictures in 2007 with Pak Army/Airforce "visiting" and hugging the drones!!!

Like I said in a previous post.. this is a Big opportunity for our generals to milk the drying american aid... they made a mistake, and now they are going to pay for it.. in $$$$$

Well , I dont believe the political setup much.

There is nobody there now. Atleast check the dates. They were there in 2001 until around 2006. Now , the only yanks there are from LM for the F-16's and such, and that is not even hundreds.

Stop giving these unsubstantiated claims importance. C-17's also take off from Chaklala airbase daily, although now they might have been stopped.

And Shamsi airbase was given to the UAE sheikhs, and the US also operated from it, it was no real surprise there. The US has bases everywhere in the world. It is the terms on which the base was given that was the real problem then. Now , it shold be vacated.

A team of 8 PA officers, 2 PAF officers, FIA, customs and intelligence agencies have reached Shamsi airbase, and the planes would be flown directly outside Pak airspace, not to Chaklala.

And the generals do most of the time get them in their lap, but now I genuinely think that it is a different case.

 

[IND151]

Pakistan cant close airspace for NATO

if it does it wont get economic aid fro US