American attack aftermath: Pakistan declares attack a 'plot'

[VCheng]

....................... General Nadeem said there was “a haze” at the time, adding ...............

That really says it all, to the discerning mind.

The Pakistani leadership is not only in "a haze", but dazed, stumbling and sleep-walking to the nearest precipice, sadly, as this incident only hints at.

 

[regular]

you want us to start a WAR with the US? if they were indian assets, you would have seen a different reaction!

Yes! we can't start war with US cuz they pay our wages and budget.......

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i am afraid there will be escalations after this incident. PA will issue MANPADS this time. the only logic i see PA not issuing MANPADs was the logic that talibans dont have any helis or airforce and to avoid accidental hitting of helis in afghan side. The equation has changed and i forsee a bigger problem in the region. Stay tuned

We already know cuz US is gonna enforce war on us by hook or by crook even we try not to........

 

[Safriz]

Now this is discussion going nowhere, let us wait for official investigation report by NATO, hope something solid may come.

For us what Pakistani officials say is enough and it will be very hard to believe what NATO says,as they lost all credibility.

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That really says it all, to the discerning mind.

and the apache and other helicopters have all sorts of night vision and Gizmos to see in the dark..see i the haze?

 

[Patriot]

I have no doubt that Pakistan will pay them back in the same coin but in due time of course.

 

[xTra]

For us what Pakistani officials say is enough and it will be very hard to believe what NATO says,as they lost all credibility.

But my dear friend, you can't go by report of only one party and has to consider the report of other party as both parties are the part of conflict.

 

[Irfan Baloch]

VCheng....

2.5 KM claim is from No Names officials.....

300 - 400 M claim is official claim.....

I hope its not a typo.
300 to 400 m actually makes the posts on the border.
granted if they are that close then Helis can be confused if they have crossed the border or not
but what they cant be confused with is

1. repeated calls from Pakistanis that they were attacking Pakistani check posts.
2. they had the coordinates of the Pakistani check posts and they were pretty much established with flags and communication equipment.

also how do you expect an escaping Taliban to run that fast with all the weapon load to cross the border and get on the top of the mountains and establish posts and fire on ISAF?

if anyone has travelled on the mountains would know that even a single KM can take you an excess of an hour.

the video clip of the destroyed clips themselves show a considerable height in excess of few hundred meters so those Taliban either didn’t exist or were super human

unless the NATO finally decides to declare that the check posts were the indented targets and having their coordinates actually helped to engage both of them and that’s why the distress calls and blue on blue communications from Pakistanis were ignored for the reasons only known to NATO at the moment.

I will try to verify the actual distance of the posts from the border because 300 to 400 meter is actually on the edge of the border. To ensure that its fire “drops” only within the Pakistani borders if there are incursions from Afghanistan, the Pakistani posts have to be much deeper inside Pakistan, otherwise NATO and Pakistan will end up fighting each other.

 

[Patriot]

Please stop using smilies in this thread - It is disrespectful to 28 soldiers that died defending this country - I understand that you have no respect for Pakistani Soldiers but please spare us the bullshit and stop repeating the same crap again and again.No one is buying it.

 

[r3alist]

nope, Pakistan should've taken care of the NATO helis during the attack. Feelings of reveng among soldiers is not a good thing to be have. These guys are bound by brotherhood and take care of each other. Pakistani inaction has left them hurt and itching for a payback. Not following through with proper diplomatic action will hurt even further.

MAN Portable SAMs should be made mandatory in these outer posts. So they can take care of this nuisence on their own. Remeber anything goes when you are attacked.

again, cost/benefit.

us would have thrown the world media at pakistan if PA made an aggressive move and shot down a heli, now that could really hurt pakistan.


ofcourse any red blooded males natural instincts are to fight back, seek revenge, that too is my inclination, but thats not always sensible, what would be gained?

you can only salvage the situation, i see pakistan are leveraging this a lot more than they have ever done, you can only hope this develops into a more favorable scenario, the us is politically and diplomatically on the back foot.

i have no doubt that the PA are making moves in other areas where they rule the roost

 

[VCheng]

.............see i the haze?

The "haze" is not on the NATO side, it is inside the minds of the Pakistani leadership.

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Please stop using smilies in this thread - It is disrespectful to 28 soldiers that died defending this country - I understand that you have no respect for Pakistani Soldiers but please spare us the bullshit and stop repeating the same crap again and again.No one is buying it.

The real pity is that the bullshit coming from your own leadership that has placed the whole nation in jeopardy you do not see yet, and THEY keep repeating the same crap that you are still buying hook, line and sinker. That is not my problem, but yours to correct.

I DO respect the dead soldiers, but the truth is the truth.

 

[blain2]

Who said that mortars were used to attack the helis?


A very very very stupid reporter asked a retired Lt Gen that what were the 155 mm guns doing!

The Let Gen said 'Bibi, 155 mm wali guns ground troops kay khilaf istamal hoti hain, helicopter kay khilaf nhn, agr dushman trench main ho to istamal hoti hain' .

Artillery was used by own side for air bursts against the helis which withdrew. 30 rounds were fired by the field guns.

As to the positions, these are "border" posts and as such would be fairly close to the actual border and not 2.5km inside. Maybe initially the reporting was incorrect, but the facts are that these are recognized and registered via grid positions known to all sides engaged. While I can understand that some map-reading challenged ANA trooper may not have understood, but the strikes were called in by a US SF operator whose approving chain of command was definitely aware where Pakistanis were posted.

 

[Patriot]

again, cost/benefit.

us would have thrown the world media at pakistan if PA made an aggressive move and shot down a heli, now that could really hurt pakistan.

They may even have said something like we were after Mullah Omar and Pakistan stopped our operation etc.

 

[Safriz]

The "haze" is not on the NATO side, it is inside the minds of the Pakistani leadership.

Your comment is out of context of this discussion.

You mentioned that a Pakistani official said that it was hazy at the time of attack...
and apparently you were saying that it as a reason why NATO may have attacked the Pakistani check post by mistake...
I said that All NATO helicopters and even soldiers have gadgets to see in the dark and thermal imaging is not effected by haze..At night they were definitely using night vision and thats not effected by haze and cannot be a reason of error..if at all this was an error.

 

[VCheng]

I hope its not a typo.
300 to 400 m actually makes the posts on the border.
granted if they are that close then Helis can be confused if they have crossed the border or not
but what they cant be confused with is

1. repeated calls from Pakistanis that they were attacking Pakistani check posts.
2. they had the coordinates of the Pakistani check posts and they were pretty much established with flags and communication equipment.

also how do you expect an escaping Taliban to run that fast with all the weapon load to cross the border and get on the top of the mountains and establish posts and fire on ISAF?

if anyone has travelled on the mountains would know that even a single KM can take you an excess of an hour.

the video clip of the destroyed clips themselves show a considerable height in excess of few hundred meters so those Taliban either didn’t exist or were super human

unless the NATO finally decides to declare that the check posts were the indented targets and having their coordinates actually helped to engage both of them and that’s why the distress calls and blue on blue communications from Pakistanis were ignored for the reasons only known to NATO at the moment.

I will try to verify the actual distance of the posts from the border because 300 to 400 meter is actually on the edge of the border. To ensure that its fire “drops” only within the Pakistani borders if there are incursions from Afghanistan, the Pakistani posts have to be much deeper inside Pakistan, otherwise NATO and Pakistan will end up fighting each other.

That is why I keep saying to wait for the final report from NATO too, and then analyze it logically and impartially.

 

[r3alist]

They may even have said something like we were after Mullah Omar and Pakistan stopped our operation etc.

exactly, so combined with the us public opinion rage, previous OBL raid and the latest incident its the US PUBLIC that would be calling for war on pakistan, and a media war in the west pakistan has no chance!!!!

average joe in US is a factor for the fate of nations, what a cruel twist of fate!!!

 

[VCheng]

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You mentioned that a Pakistani official said that it was hazy at the time of attack....................

It was not HAZY. The PA official was referring to "a haze" as the explanation for the lack of a PAF response, which means something TOTALLY different: the fog of war, confusion, panic, lack of knowing what was going on.

And thus, my comment is entirely relevant to the thread.