American attack aftermath: Pakistan declares attack a 'plot'

[lem34]

Now we need a dedicated Vcheng bashing thread....

why why we have 28 deaths of young jawans and this self centered cheng guy wants attention look at me I tell the truth, i am clever, i been to school, im better than you lot etc

 

[VCheng]

DO NOT TAKE THE NAME OF OUR MARTYRS WITH THT TONGUE OF YOURS!

My tongue is mine to use, as is yours for you.

So when we are in grief what exactly did you mean when you said in post 1394 i think:

Soldiers DIE in the line of DUTY.

Fact.

Now stop wailing like little girls and face reality.

You are a liar and a hypocrite and for once its not about you. Do you think i give a damn that you think you have been slandered when we have 28 young jawans who have been murdered in their sleep. Is this what you call respect???

That soldiers DIE in the line of DUTY is a FACT.


Your continued hysterics and wailing like little girls dishonors them more than my calm, respectful words ever will.

 

[DESERT FIGHTER]

My tongue is mine to use, as is yours for you.



That soldiers DIE in the line of DUTY is a FACT.


Your continued hysterics and wailing like little girls dishonors them more than my calm, respectful words ever will.

Fear the GOD and the hatred of a PATRIOT... And pray to THE ALMIGHTY YOU NEVER FACE ONE!

 

[AgNoStiC MuSliM]

I agree with all who say wait for NATO/ISAF documented facts before trying to discuss the undiscussable.

Again, please explain to me how something other than 'complete incompetence or collusion' would be applicable, given the arguments and facts known so far.

And, again, NATO/ISAF documented 'facts' are not from some infallible heavenly deity - they are at best the version of events the accused will offer to explain his/her crime.

The self-defence argument has been debunked in several arguments.

 

[American Pakistani]

Protesters rage at Nato
Reuters | 28 November, 2011 00:16


Tyres left burnt by angry protesters against target killing in Karachi.
Image by: ATHAR HUSSAIN / REUTERS

Thousands gathered outside the US consulate in Karachi yesterday to protest against a Nato cross-border air attack that killed 28 Pakistani troops.

A Reuters reporter said the angry crowd shouted "Down with America".

A man climbed up the wall surrounding the consulate and attached a Pakistani flag to barbed wire.

Nato helicopters and fighter jets based in Afghanistan attacked two Pakistan military outposts on Saturday, killing the soldiers in what Pakistan said was "an unprovoked assault".

A Western official and a senior Afghan security officer said yesterday that Nato and Afghan forces came under fire from across the border with Pakistan before the Nato aircraft attacked.

 

[VCheng]

Please explain to me a third possibility then, given the points I have argued.

BTW, the accounts attributed to Afghan soldiers suggest 'gunfire', not mortars, rockets or artillery (at least at the moment) which further stretches the credulity of the excuses being trotted out by the Afghans and NATO, given the location of the Pakistani posts and the ISAF response.

One thing that specifically comes to mind is a possible role played by agents of another country, that fired on NATO troops in a manner designed to make the Pakistani troops a target. The forensic evidence and analysis will take a while given the terrain.

 

[pakdefender]

Coverage of Pakistani troops' funerals fuel anger as calls grow to cut US ties

Pakistan sees widespread anti-US protests on day images of 24 coffins containing those killed in Nato strike dominate media
Saeed Shah in Karachi
guardian.co.uk, Sunday 27 November 2011 15.01 EST
Article history



Pakistanis burn Nato and US flags during a protest over the deadly airstrike on a checkpoint in which at least 24 soldiers died. Photograph: MK Chaudhry/EPA


Images of the funerals of the young soldiers killed in the Nato attack on their checkpost filled television screens across Pakistan on Sunday, as a country already bursting with anti-Americanism found another reason to hate the US.

Prayers were held at a military base in Peshawar, provincial capital of the north-west, in front of 24 coffins laid out on a lawn, each wrapped in a Pakistan flag. The head of the army, General Ashfaq Kayani, considered Pakistan's most powerful man, attended the funerals, as did the province's top civilian officials.

Each coffin was carried away by a guard of honour, to be buried in home towns and villages.

Casualties along the border with Afghanistan are usually from the paramilitary Frontier Corp, which recruits from Pakistan's tribal area, but these were regular soldiers from the heart of the country. Patriotic music, usually reserved for wartime propaganda, was played as wall-to-wall TV coverage repeatedly showed the funerals.

Kayani also visited the 13 injured, who were being treated at a military hospital in Peshawar, again with cameras trailing him.

Among the dead were two young young officers, Major Mujahid Ali and Captain Usman, whose life stories the media seized upon, helped by the military's public relations machine. Usman, 23, married last year and had a three-month-old daughter.

Reporters arrived at the tiny home of Ali, in the village of Naudero in the southern province of Sindh, to find a family in mourning.

His elderly mother, clutching a picture of her recently engaged son, said: "I'm proud that my son has achieved martyrdom. I'm grateful to God for it."

The city of Lahore, in the east of the country, saw protesters chant anti-American slogans. There was a bigger demonstration outside the US consulate in the port city of Karachi. The Lahore rally included members of Jamaat-ud-Dawa, the militant group blamed for the 2008 attacks on Mumbai in India.

Thousands of people gathered outside the heavily fortified American consulate in Karachi, with angry cries of "Death to America". An outbreak of sectarian violence elsewhere in the city probably prevented more from joining the protest.

In Mohmand, where the deadly strike on the checkpoint occurred, more than 1,000 tribal elders gathered in the district capital, demanding the Pakistan end its ties to the US.

"This was just simple murder," said Rasheed Ahmed, the senator for Mohmand. "America is the big evil. We are just a small mouthful in front of America. He said Islamabad had "missed the opportunity" to cut relations with Washington after the killing of Osama bin Laden in a raid in the garrison town of Abbottabad in May and the freeing in March of Raymond Davis, a CIA contractor accused of killing two Pakistanis during a shootout in Lahore.


"If we waste another opportunity, America will keep doing things like this," said Ahmed.

Rustam Shah, a former Pakistani ambassador to the Afghanistan, said the Pakistani military would now face pressure from within its own ranks to end co-operation with the US.

"The military will have to cope with rising levels of anger within, which is very dangerous," he said.

Public opinion in Pakistan largely blames terrorist violence in the country on the presence of the US-led coalition in Afghanistan, and Islamabad's decision to ally with Washington.

Imran Khan, the former international cricketer turned politician, is riding a wave of rising popularity, with a campaign based on breaking the alliance with the US. "It is time for our rulers to get out of America's war," he told a political rally in the Shujabad area of Punjab over the weekend.

The military top brass will have to act , I've read anonymous letters that young officers wrote to senoir officers ( this is an unspoken way of conveying griviences in the Army ) during the Mushaarf era which were at that time so full of rage, I can only image the rage that will be brewing in the ranks after this act , it was already boiling over after Abbotabad so the top brass , how ever unwiling , will have to follow though on retribution , else they risk serious unreset within the ranks

 

[notorious_eagle]

why why we have 28 deaths of young jawans and this self centered cheng guy wants attention look at me I tell the truth, i am clever, i been to school, im better than you lot etc

Dude just drop it. I believe we can contribute more positively if we have a rationale argument regarding the events that took place instead of personally bashing a member. VCheng is a smart fellow and lets leave it at that. Lets not derail this topic and get back to the issue on hand

 

[VCheng]

Fear the GOD and the hatred of a PATRIOT... And pray to THE ALMIGHTY YOU NEVER FACE ONE!

My matters are between Allah and me, and I fear no man on Earth. Do what you will.

 

[DESERT FIGHTER]

My matters are between Allah and me, and I fear no man on Earth. Do what you will.

You fear ur master AMERICA n i bet u would fear a patriot when you come face to face with one!

 

[American Pakistani]

Afghanistan-bound trucks carrying supplies for NATO forces are parked as authorities closed the border at Torkham, in Pakistan, Sunday, Nov 27, 2011. (AP Photo/Qazi Rauf)

 

[VCheng]

Dude just drop it. I believe we can contribute more positively if we have a rationale argument regarding the events that took place instead of personally bashing a member. VCheng is a smart fellow and lets leave it at that. Lets not derail this topic and get back to the issue on hand

Are there any details of post-incident evidence gathering in and around the Pakistani site?

 

[American Pakistani]

People offer funeral prayers of Saturday's NATO attack victims in Peshawar, Pakistan on Sunday, Nov 27, 2011.
(Credit: AP Photo)

 

[53fd]

Where have I said anything other than to wait for the final investigation to be completed?

Can you explain what you meant by this post on this thread:

Pakistan will increasingly find itself deeper and deeper in a quagmire of its own making on many fronts.

Can you explain to me how this incident was Pakistan's own making?

I think the objection people have on this forum is, you admit that you are not speaking facts pertaining to this incident, yet you post off-topic posts based on conjecture on this thread that have nothing to do with this incident.

 

[VCheng]

You fear ur master AMERICA n i bet u would fear a patriot when you come face to face with one!

You are correct!

I fear this patriot for sure!