America will not defend Ukraine, for fear of China

[Battlion25]

Article is based on fallacy.. The US doesn't want to lose an inch in Europe and much more important then Taiwan and Okinawa

 

[zectech]

yes meanwhile China has made no public statement since its too scared to talk

its like China doesnt even exist

Far worse for China. This is Western/Australian propaganda blaming the Chinese for the loss of Ukraine provinces. So instead of hating puppet putin, hate the Chinese is the message because China wrote Russia a blank check.

So as Chinese members are high fiveing each other as supapowa, the message that is not reaching Beijing is blame China for putins invasion of the Ukraine.

This is the psy-op war on the Western public to shield putin from anger and place the Western blame for hyperinflation from sanctions and fertilizer ban, and high gas prices. And send that hatred of putin to Beijing. Very deceptive. And the Chinese are supa happy about this. This is how blind Beijing is.

 

[FuturePAF]

There is worse things Russia can do to the US, if this conflict escalated, and it’s a waste for the US to get too distracted by Russia, for our own sake. Russia will implode eventually, naturally.

 

[kingQamaR]

Putin is treating Eastern Ukraine like another dictator treated northern Czechoslovakia, or the Sudetenland as he called it.

 

[Bengal71]

Russia knows what everybody sees; America is overstreched and shows imperial fatigue.

Us stupid West Europeans still live in la la land and think daddy America will solve all our problems. When i was in the Army there was mere couple of brigades in the whole norwegian Army. Thts only about 40 - 50K soldiers. I heard that its even smaller now than when i was soldier 20 years ago!!!

Our politicians are more worried about environment and LGBT rights while our manpower and birth rates are dwindling.

Europe has to wake up from this sleep walk. The world is a harsh place and there is no room for those who fall asleep.

Imo Norwegian Army should have atleast 2 corps of devout muslim norwegian soldiers. Mark my words not a single nation would dare to threaten us. Imagine that Muslim soldiers fearlessness combined with viking tenacity.

Muslim soldiers are only fearless when they are fighting for the religion or anything that requires Jihad.

 

[hualushui]

yes meanwhile China has made no public statement since its too scared to talk

its like China doesnt even exist

People care about what China said, not what Britain said.
So sad

 

[Goritoes]

Americans are right to not get involved in another conflict, good let the Europeans handle Ukraine situation.

 

[silverox]

The United States is worried about the improvement of Chinese people's living standards, and Obama said that if China reaches the living standards of the United States, the earth's resources will not be enough.
I will not judge whether this conclusion of President Obama is true or not.
But it shows the truth that Americans are worried about
So can America tolerate Indians living up to American standards of living?
Now that China has boarded the economic development train, I think the United States is best to cooperate with China
kick the indians down

 

[Han Patriot]

Far worse for China. This is Western/Australian propaganda blaming the Chinese for the loss of Ukraine provinces. So instead of hating puppet putin, hate the Chinese is the message because China wrote Russia a blank check.

So as Chinese members are high fiveing each other as supapowa, the message that is not reaching Beijing is blame China for putins invasion of the Ukraine.

This is the psy-op war on the Western public to shield putin from anger and place the Western blame for hyperinflation from sanctions and fertilizer ban, and high gas prices. And send that hatred of putin to Beijing. Very deceptive. And the Chinese are supa happy about this. This is how blind Beijing is.

Just as Putin said, they are gonna demonize you sooner or later, it doesn't matter how good you 'behave'. And why does the opinion of the Westerners matter? Why not our opinion the 1.4bil people think about the hypocrisy of the West? Why this inferiority complex? Why should we be more concerned by what they think? Why not the other way round. Stop having a slave mentality mate.... Only strength can gain respect, US and their poodles massacre weaklings like Iraq. You are either a poodle or a peer enemy in the eyes of America.

 

[Meengla]

Russia knows what everybody sees; America is overstreched and shows imperial fatigue.

Us stupid West Europeans still live in la la land and think daddy America will solve all our problems. When i was in the Army there was mere couple of brigades in the whole norwegian Army. Thts only about 40 - 50K soldiers. I heard that its even smaller now than when i was soldier 20 years ago!!!

Our politicians are more worried about environment and LGBT rights while our manpower and birth rates are dwindling.

You are on the right track here.
13 American soldiers died in a huge, largely successful evacuation operation in Afghanistan in August 2021 and yet those 13 deaths are going to haunt Biden if he decides to run for the office again; actually, the deaths have painted the whole evacuation as a huge fiasco, which is unfair. And mind you, I have no love for the Military Industrial Complex of America.

The mistake of invading Iraq in 2003 as an illegal war of choice-- purposefully driven by the Israeli Lobby-- and the subsequent draining of American resources in that and other wars may well be regarded as the turning point in American history. If the Vietnam War brought to the horrors of wars/deaths to American consciousness via television then the Iraq War of 2003 really brought to great focus the death and destruction and differing world-opinion, thanks to the Information Age. In short, unless another 9/11 like tragedy happens, Americans don't have the appetite for wars.

 

[beijingwalker]

US rabic anti China policy now makes any kind of US China cooperation impossible, there is just no way for China and west to be on the same side over anything.

 

[tower9]

America will not defend Ukraine, for fear of China​

Peter Hartcher​

Political and international editor
February 22, 2022 — 5.00am

The US President, Joe Biden, has made it clear. If Russia launches a new military attack on Ukraine, America will not defend it.

Why not? Why will the US not defend a newish democracy of some 40 million people on the edge of Europe against an aggressive dictator and traditional US rival?

There’s the obvious political reason. America is war-weary. After two decades of wasting blood and treasure on a faked war against Iraq and a failed war in Afghanistan, Americans are disillusioned and exhausted.

Fifty-five per cent of Americans oppose the idea of sending US troops to stop Russia, according to a YouGov poll last week. Only 13 per cent of Americans agree that it’d be a good idea.

But there’s a bigger, harder reason of national strategy. Even if war against Russia were wildly popular, grand strategy would stay a president’s hand.

For all Russia’s power, it’s a sideshow. “We need to husband our resources for the primary fight,” says the lead author of the US National Defence Strategy of 2018, Elbridge Colby.

“At this point, we really can’t afford” war against Russia, Colby tells me. “It would be like, for example, obsessing over the Boer War when World War I is looming.”

The primary fight? Only one country has the potential to dominate the US, says Colby, and it’s not Russia. Only one country is amassing the power to be able to coerce the US economically, in turn positioning itself to be able to undermine its freedom and prosperity, he says:

“The only plausible way that could happen is China and Asia. Asia is about half of global GDP, in fact, probably more than that pretty soon, and China is by far the most powerful other state in the international system. So, by deduction, our most important interest is denying China hegemony over Asia,” says Colby, author of The Strategy of Denial: American Defence in an Age of Great Power Conflict, published last year.

China’s treatment of Australia today illuminates Beijing’s plans for other countries including the US, says Colby: “Australia is the perfect example of what the future could hold. I use Australia as an example all the time. They’re demanding you change your free speech law, your internal political system, and that’s the future if we let it happen.

“But Australia has America as a backstop. But if we let China get to the point where China can subordinate America then we and those who are allied with us are finished – we have no America.”
But Colby wrote the 2018 National Defence Strategy as a Pentagon official in the Trump administration. How does the Biden administration see it?

One clue. Joe Biden says that America is “competing with China to win the 21st century”.

Another clue. While US Secretary of State Antony Blinken was engaged in intensive negotiations to avert war in Ukraine, he made the long flight to Melbourne two weeks ago for the meeting of foreign ministers of the four Indo-Pacific Quad nations – Australia, India, Japan and the US.

His visit to Australia in the midst of the Ukraine crisis “only reinforces the point that, for us, as a Pacific nation ourselves, we see the future, we see it here, and you have got to keep focus on the core thing even as you deal with the challenge of the moment,” Blinken told me. So, for Blinken, Russia is the moment. China is the future.

A third clue. The Biden administration’s interim national security strategic guidance says that China “is the only competitor potentially capable of combining its economic, diplomatic, military, and technological power to mount a sustained challenge to a stable and open international system”.

OK, so China is uniquely dangerous to the US, the Trump and Biden people agree. But isn’t Russia a scary big power? China might be the long-term danger, but isn’t Russia the immediate threat?

Russia’s economy is ranked number 11 by GDP at about $US1.65 trillion, using market prices. This is smaller than South Korea’s or Canada’s and only a smidgin bigger than Australia’s $US1.61 trillion. China’s, on the other hand, is three-quarters the size of America’s and 10 times the size of Russia’s. Moscow has a formidable nuclear and conventional military, but it’s ageing and cannot keep up with the cutting-edge powers of the US and China.

Colby says that China, once again, is unique, “the largest economy to emerge in the international system since the US itself. There’s an implicit tendency to dismiss China, to say that it’s not as real as the numbers suggest. But if China gets to the same per capita income level of Japan, they will be something like three times the size of our economy. And many Chinese are well below middle-income level at the moment, so they have plenty of catch-up growth opportunity.”

America is preoccupied by Xi Jinping’s China, not Putin’s Russia.

As for the short-term threat versus the long-term: “People say, China is a long-term problem,” Colby says. “My response is: It’s a long-term problem like acute heart disease. Sure, it’s long-term and you need to change what you eat and your workout regimen but, if you don’t address the blockage now, you’ll still get killed before you’re able to worry about the long term.”

By comparison, Russia is but “a pale shadow of China, given the size of their economy”.

But doesn’t the US have the capacity to deal with both Russia and China? The days of overweening American power are gone. The main China adviser to the Biden White House, the National Security Council’s Rush Doshi, wrote this before he was called to government service: “Sheer size suggests it is likely that Beijing – unlike the Soviets – could eventually generate and spend more [his emphasis] resources on competition than the US.”

In his 2021 book The Long Game: China’s Grand Strategy to Displace American Order, Doshi made clear that the US is now on the defensive: “The US cannot compete with China symmetrically – that is, dollar-for-dollar, ship-for-ship, or loan-for-loan – in part because of China’s sheer relative size.”

In other words, America won’t defend Ukraine because it’s seized with the all-consuming urgency of defending itself.

America will not defend Ukraine, for fear of China

America won’t defend Ukraine against a Russian invasion because it is seized with the all-consuming urgency of defending itself, against China.

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The US won't fight in Ukraine because it will be defeated, that's the main reason why it won't fight Russia in Ukraine. Of course China is the main rival, but that has little to do with why the US won't fight in the Ukraine.

 

[master_13]

even if china isn't some kind of made up "security threat" as seen by the US, US still won't go to war with Russia, US knows both Russia and US will be obliterated by nukes.

 

[8888888888888]

Will be a matter of time before Ukraine is back under Russia again.

 

[casual]

even if china isn't some kind of made up "security threat" as seen by the US, US still won't go to war with Russia, US knows both Russia and US will be obliterated by nukes.

No one has ever challenged nuke detergent and Ukraine crysis is no exception.