America will not defend Ukraine, for fear of China

[lastofthepatriots]

孔子说：不会跳舞的人，不要给剑。我们花了几十年的时间制作他们的玩具、鞋子甚至旗帜。一直忍受着他们的傲慢，等待我们的时间。时刻终于到来了。现在他们会知道我们的伟大。让我们跳舞吧。

 

[casual]

Far worse for China. This is Western/Australian propaganda blaming the Chinese for the loss of Ukraine provinces. So instead of hating puppet putin, hate the Chinese is the message because China wrote Russia a blank check.

So as Chinese members are high fiveing each other as supapowa, the message that is not reaching Beijing is blame China for putins invasion of the Ukraine.

This is the psy-op war on the Western public to shield putin from anger and place the Western blame for hyperinflation from sanctions and fertilizer ban, and high gas prices. And send that hatred of putin to Beijing. Very deceptive. And the Chinese are supa happy about this. This is how blind Beijing is.

The more western media blame China for it's woes, the stronger China looks to the world. After all, it takes real national power to impose everything the west is blaming China for. Also, beneath the headline reports, there's also the message that China can impose economic destruction on anyone it chooses and the west is weak and powerless to stop it. Now anyone who studies geopolitics knows it is power, rather then so called liberal democratic morals, that really matter.

So in conclusion, the more the western media run with the China threat narrative, the stronger China looks and the weaker the west looks.

 

[jupiter2007]

Let's not forget the Russians conventional capability. You go to war with Russia and you lose tens of thousands of fighting men very quickly. You lose hundreds of planes, ships, thousands of vehicles. Bombs land in your country, destroying your infrastructure and killing your citizens.

Yes all that will happen to Russia too - but thus time its a fair fight between heavyweights. Nobody is willing to pay that price for Ukraine.

Ultimately the nuclear deterrent means even after conventional victory - Russian territory would remain safe.

What would be gained? The liberation of East Ukraine.

What would be lost? Trillions of dollars in the cost of war, equipment, men, infrastructure - global recession.

In a war between the US and Russia - China is the winner.

Just like WW1 and WW2, Iraq war and Syria war was for purpose and they have accomplished their goals. Afghanistan war was for drugs, to destroy bad terrorist and keep an eye on Russia and China.
There are good and bad Terrorists in Uncle Sam’s dictionary, for example, ISIS, BLA, TTP are good Terrorists and AlQaida and Afghan are bad Terrorists.

 

[AZADPAKISTAN2009]

Well than that ended pretty fast a 'W' for Russia
Lets not forget most of these region have Russian speakers

Not that I support any war involving Russia or Ukraine

 

[Falcon26]

This is the type of aggression Pakistan would have faced from India and others if it did not have a strong military and nukes.

Laws and international agreements never deter aggressors.

I feel for Ukraine which has to face such a huge military threat.

 

[SecularNationalist]

America will not defend Ukraine, for fear of China​

Peter Hartcher​

Political and international editor
February 22, 2022 — 5.00am

The US President, Joe Biden, has made it clear. If Russia launches a new military attack on Ukraine, America will not defend it.

Why not? Why will the US not defend a newish democracy of some 40 million people on the edge of Europe against an aggressive dictator and traditional US rival?

There’s the obvious political reason. America is war-weary. After two decades of wasting blood and treasure on a faked war against Iraq and a failed war in Afghanistan, Americans are disillusioned and exhausted.

Fifty-five per cent of Americans oppose the idea of sending US troops to stop Russia, according to a YouGov poll last week. Only 13 per cent of Americans agree that it’d be a good idea.

But there’s a bigger, harder reason of national strategy. Even if war against Russia were wildly popular, grand strategy would stay a president’s hand.

For all Russia’s power, it’s a sideshow. “We need to husband our resources for the primary fight,” says the lead author of the US National Defence Strategy of 2018, Elbridge Colby.

“At this point, we really can’t afford” war against Russia, Colby tells me. “It would be like, for example, obsessing over the Boer War when World War I is looming.”

The primary fight? Only one country has the potential to dominate the US, says Colby, and it’s not Russia. Only one country is amassing the power to be able to coerce the US economically, in turn positioning itself to be able to undermine its freedom and prosperity, he says:

“The only plausible way that could happen is China and Asia. Asia is about half of global GDP, in fact, probably more than that pretty soon, and China is by far the most powerful other state in the international system. So, by deduction, our most important interest is denying China hegemony over Asia,” says Colby, author of The Strategy of Denial: American Defence in an Age of Great Power Conflict, published last year.

China’s treatment of Australia today illuminates Beijing’s plans for other countries including the US, says Colby: “Australia is the perfect example of what the future could hold. I use Australia as an example all the time. They’re demanding you change your free speech law, your internal political system, and that’s the future if we let it happen.

“But Australia has America as a backstop. But if we let China get to the point where China can subordinate America then we and those who are allied with us are finished – we have no America.”
But Colby wrote the 2018 National Defence Strategy as a Pentagon official in the Trump administration. How does the Biden administration see it?

One clue. Joe Biden says that America is “competing with China to win the 21st century”.

Another clue. While US Secretary of State Antony Blinken was engaged in intensive negotiations to avert war in Ukraine, he made the long flight to Melbourne two weeks ago for the meeting of foreign ministers of the four Indo-Pacific Quad nations – Australia, India, Japan and the US.

His visit to Australia in the midst of the Ukraine crisis “only reinforces the point that, for us, as a Pacific nation ourselves, we see the future, we see it here, and you have got to keep focus on the core thing even as you deal with the challenge of the moment,” Blinken told me. So, for Blinken, Russia is the moment. China is the future.

A third clue. The Biden administration’s interim national security strategic guidance says that China “is the only competitor potentially capable of combining its economic, diplomatic, military, and technological power to mount a sustained challenge to a stable and open international system”.

OK, so China is uniquely dangerous to the US, the Trump and Biden people agree. But isn’t Russia a scary big power? China might be the long-term danger, but isn’t Russia the immediate threat?

Russia’s economy is ranked number 11 by GDP at about $US1.65 trillion, using market prices. This is smaller than South Korea’s or Canada’s and only a smidgin bigger than Australia’s $US1.61 trillion. China’s, on the other hand, is three-quarters the size of America’s and 10 times the size of Russia’s. Moscow has a formidable nuclear and conventional military, but it’s ageing and cannot keep up with the cutting-edge powers of the US and China.

Colby says that China, once again, is unique, “the largest economy to emerge in the international system since the US itself. There’s an implicit tendency to dismiss China, to say that it’s not as real as the numbers suggest. But if China gets to the same per capita income level of Japan, they will be something like three times the size of our economy. And many Chinese are well below middle-income level at the moment, so they have plenty of catch-up growth opportunity.”

America is preoccupied by Xi Jinping’s China, not Putin’s Russia.

As for the short-term threat versus the long-term: “People say, China is a long-term problem,” Colby says. “My response is: It’s a long-term problem like acute heart disease. Sure, it’s long-term and you need to change what you eat and your workout regimen but, if you don’t address the blockage now, you’ll still get killed before you’re able to worry about the long term.”

By comparison, Russia is but “a pale shadow of China, given the size of their economy”.

But doesn’t the US have the capacity to deal with both Russia and China? The days of overweening American power are gone. The main China adviser to the Biden White House, the National Security Council’s Rush Doshi, wrote this before he was called to government service: “Sheer size suggests it is likely that Beijing – unlike the Soviets – could eventually generate and spend more [his emphasis] resources on competition than the US.”

In his 2021 book The Long Game: China’s Grand Strategy to Displace American Order, Doshi made clear that the US is now on the defensive: “The US cannot compete with China symmetrically – that is, dollar-for-dollar, ship-for-ship, or loan-for-loan – in part because of China’s sheer relative size.”

In other words, America won’t defend Ukraine because it’s seized with the all-consuming urgency of defending itself.

America will not defend Ukraine, for fear of China

America won’t defend Ukraine against a Russian invasion because it is seized with the all-consuming urgency of defending itself, against China.

www.smh.com.au

Yankees will be facing a meat grinder if they confront Russian army in eastern Europe.

 

[OIO]

Americans are still very sensible!

 

[gambit]

Why should the US defend Ukraine when Ukraine is NOT a NATO member?

 

[beijingwalker]

孔子说：不会跳舞的人，不要给剑。我们花了几十年的时间制作他们的玩具、鞋子甚至旗帜。一直忍受着他们的傲慢，等待我们的时间。时刻终于到来了。现在他们会知道我们的伟大。让我们跳舞吧。

这话一听就是孔子说的

 

[Beast]

Far worse for China. This is Western/Australian propaganda blaming the Chinese for the loss of Ukraine provinces. So instead of hating puppet putin, hate the Chinese is the message because China wrote Russia a blank check.

So as Chinese members are high fiveing each other as supapowa, the message that is not reaching Beijing is blame China for putins invasion of the Ukraine.

This is the psy-op war on the Western public to shield putin from anger and place the Western blame for hyperinflation from sanctions and fertilizer ban, and high gas prices. And send that hatred of putin to Beijing. Very deceptive. And the Chinese are supa happy about this. This is how blind Beijing is.

The European are still very happy over the value for money made in China product from AliExpress...

The EU hate Chinese but they love our products and will send money to ensure the continue growth of China.

Why should the US defend Ukraine when Ukraine is NOT a NATO member?

Typical cowards words and attitude. All Ukrainians shall remember these words when empty promise made to them about protecting them from Russian aggression.

 

[gambit]

Typical cowards words and attitude. All Ukrainians shall remember these words when empty promise made to them about protecting them from Russian aggression.

Where is the promise that the US will 'defend' Ukraine?

 

[Beast]

Where is the promise that the US will 'defend' Ukraine?

Biden pledges ‘full force’ to defend Americans, NATO allies with Ukraine under Russian threat

President Joe Biden said the United States was prepared to defend NATO members as the crisis on Ukraine's border with Russia intensifies.

www.cnbc.com

Biden reiterated U.S. commitment to Ukraine's sovereignty and territorial integrity. The president said he will not deploy American service members to Ukraine but instead to NATO member countries.

How do u commit to Ukraine sovereignty and territorial when you don't defend it?

 

[gambit]

Biden pledges ‘full force’ to defend Americans, NATO allies with Ukraine under Russian threat

President Joe Biden said the United States was prepared to defend NATO members as the crisis on Ukraine's border with Russia intensifies.

www.cnbc.com

Biden reiterated U.S. commitment to Ukraine's sovereignty and territorial integrity. The president said he will not deploy American service members to Ukraine but instead to NATO member countries.

That is not any sort of promise to 'defend' Ukraine. It is mere political speech, something that your China is also very good at. So where is a LEGAL document that the US will 'defend' Ukraine?

 

[Beast]

That is not any sort of promise to 'defend' Ukraine. It is mere political speech, something that your China is also very good at. So where is a LEGAL document that the US will 'defend' Ukraine?

So you are saying american president word cannot be trusted? All are empty promise?

How do you commit to Ukraine sovereignty and Integrity when u don't defend it?

Next time we shall not trust any words from American and stop quoting US media and statement becos all cannot be trusted.

 

[lastofthepatriots]

这话一听就是孔子说的

孔子生活在我们所有人的心中。这就是他所说的。