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America will not defend Ukraine, for fear of China

America will not defend Ukraine, for fear of China

Peter Hartcher

Political and international editor
February 22, 2022 — 5.00am

The US President, Joe Biden, has made it clear. If Russia launches a new military attack on Ukraine, America will not defend it.

Why not? Why will the US not defend a newish democracy of some 40 million people on the edge of Europe against an aggressive dictator and traditional US rival?

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There’s the obvious political reason. America is war-weary. After two decades of wasting blood and treasure on a faked war against Iraq and a failed war in Afghanistan, Americans are disillusioned and exhausted.

Fifty-five per cent of Americans oppose the idea of sending US troops to stop Russia, according to a YouGov poll last week. Only 13 per cent of Americans agree that it’d be a good idea.

But there’s a bigger, harder reason of national strategy. Even if war against Russia were wildly popular, grand strategy would stay a president’s hand.

For all Russia’s power, it’s a sideshow. “We need to husband our resources for the primary fight,” says the lead author of the US National Defence Strategy of 2018, Elbridge Colby.

“At this point, we really can’t afford” war against Russia, Colby tells me. “It would be like, for example, obsessing over the Boer War when World War I is looming.”

The primary fight? Only one country has the potential to dominate the US, says Colby, and it’s not Russia. Only one country is amassing the power to be able to coerce the US economically, in turn positioning itself to be able to undermine its freedom and prosperity, he says:

“The only plausible way that could happen is China and Asia. Asia is about half of global GDP, in fact, probably more than that pretty soon, and China is by far the most powerful other state in the international system. So, by deduction, our most important interest is denying China hegemony over Asia,” says Colby, author of The Strategy of Denial: American Defence in an Age of Great Power Conflict, published last year.

China’s treatment of Australia today illuminates Beijing’s plans for other countries including the US, says Colby: “Australia is the perfect example of what the future could hold. I use Australia as an example all the time. They’re demanding you change your free speech law, your internal political system, and that’s the future if we let it happen.

“But Australia has America as a backstop. But if we let China get to the point where China can subordinate America then we and those who are allied with us are finished – we have no America.”
But Colby wrote the 2018 National Defence Strategy as a Pentagon official in the Trump administration. How does the Biden administration see it?

One clue. Joe Biden says that America is “competing with China to win the 21st century”.

Another clue. While US Secretary of State Antony Blinken was engaged in intensive negotiations to avert war in Ukraine, he made the long flight to Melbourne two weeks ago for the meeting of foreign ministers of the four Indo-Pacific Quad nations – Australia, India, Japan and the US.

His visit to Australia in the midst of the Ukraine crisis “only reinforces the point that, for us, as a Pacific nation ourselves, we see the future, we see it here, and you have got to keep focus on the core thing even as you deal with the challenge of the moment,” Blinken told me. So, for Blinken, Russia is the moment. China is the future.

A third clue. The Biden administration’s interim national security strategic guidance says that China “is the only competitor potentially capable of combining its economic, diplomatic, military, and technological power to mount a sustained challenge to a stable and open international system”.

OK, so China is uniquely dangerous to the US, the Trump and Biden people agree. But isn’t Russia a scary big power? China might be the long-term danger, but isn’t Russia the immediate threat?

Russia’s economy is ranked number 11 by GDP at about $US1.65 trillion, using market prices. This is smaller than South Korea’s or Canada’s and only a smidgin bigger than Australia’s $US1.61 trillion. China’s, on the other hand, is three-quarters the size of America’s and 10 times the size of Russia’s. Moscow has a formidable nuclear and conventional military, but it’s ageing and cannot keep up with the cutting-edge powers of the US and China.

Colby says that China, once again, is unique, “the largest economy to emerge in the international system since the US itself. There’s an implicit tendency to dismiss China, to say that it’s not as real as the numbers suggest. But if China gets to the same per capita income level of Japan, they will be something like three times the size of our economy. And many Chinese are well below middle-income level at the moment, so they have plenty of catch-up growth opportunity.”

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America is preoccupied by Xi Jinping’s China, not Putin’s Russia.

As for the short-term threat versus the long-term: “People say, China is a long-term problem,” Colby says. “My response is: It’s a long-term problem like acute heart disease. Sure, it’s long-term and you need to change what you eat and your workout regimen but, if you don’t address the blockage now, you’ll still get killed before you’re able to worry about the long term.”

By comparison, Russia is but “a pale shadow of China, given the size of their economy”.

But doesn’t the US have the capacity to deal with both Russia and China? The days of overweening American power are gone. The main China adviser to the Biden White House, the National Security Council’s Rush Doshi, wrote this before he was called to government service: “Sheer size suggests it is likely that Beijing – unlike the Soviets – could eventually generate and spend more [his emphasis] resources on competition than the US.”

In his 2021 book The Long Game: China’s Grand Strategy to Displace American Order, Doshi made clear that the US is now on the defensive: “The US cannot compete with China symmetrically – that is, dollar-for-dollar, ship-for-ship, or loan-for-loan – in part because of China’s sheer relative size.”

In other words, America won’t defend Ukraine because it’s seized with the all-consuming urgency of defending itself.


The funny thing is, that originally Russia was just hedging it's bets by being closer to China, but it wanted to keep it's options open.

The western world, especially America have driven Russia closer to China then they ever wanted to be, if that's not the height of stupidity, I do not know what is.

Together, Russia and China are an unbeatable giant.
 
Peace in sight?

Putin and China’s Xi discuss Ukraine, West​

By The Associated Press
26 minutes ago

MOSCOW — The Kremlin says Russian President Vladimir Putin has told Chinese President Xi Jinping he’s ready to send a delegation for talks with Ukrainian officials.

The Kremlin said in its readout of Friday’s call that Xi underlined that he “views the Russian leadership’s action in the crisis situation with respect.”

In a reference to new Western sanctions against Russia over its invasion in Ukraine, the Kremlin noted that Putin and Xi agreed “it’s inadmissible to use illegitimate sanctions for achieving selfish goals of certain countries.”

Chinese state TV reported that Xi emphasized that China “supports Russia and Ukraine resolving the problem through negotiations.”


 

America will not defend Ukraine, for fear of China

Peter Hartcher

Political and international editor
February 22, 2022 — 5.00am

The US President, Joe Biden, has made it clear. If Russia launches a new military attack on Ukraine, America will not defend it.

Why not? Why will the US not defend a newish democracy of some 40 million people on the edge of Europe against an aggressive dictator and traditional US rival?

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There’s the obvious political reason. America is war-weary. After two decades of wasting blood and treasure on a faked war against Iraq and a failed war in Afghanistan, Americans are disillusioned and exhausted.

Fifty-five per cent of Americans oppose the idea of sending US troops to stop Russia, according to a YouGov poll last week. Only 13 per cent of Americans agree that it’d be a good idea.

But there’s a bigger, harder reason of national strategy. Even if war against Russia were wildly popular, grand strategy would stay a president’s hand.

For all Russia’s power, it’s a sideshow. “We need to husband our resources for the primary fight,” says the lead author of the US National Defence Strategy of 2018, Elbridge Colby.

“At this point, we really can’t afford” war against Russia, Colby tells me. “It would be like, for example, obsessing over the Boer War when World War I is looming.”

The primary fight? Only one country has the potential to dominate the US, says Colby, and it’s not Russia. Only one country is amassing the power to be able to coerce the US economically, in turn positioning itself to be able to undermine its freedom and prosperity, he says:

“The only plausible way that could happen is China and Asia. Asia is about half of global GDP, in fact, probably more than that pretty soon, and China is by far the most powerful other state in the international system. So, by deduction, our most important interest is denying China hegemony over Asia,” says Colby, author of The Strategy of Denial: American Defence in an Age of Great Power Conflict, published last year.

China’s treatment of Australia today illuminates Beijing’s plans for other countries including the US, says Colby: “Australia is the perfect example of what the future could hold. I use Australia as an example all the time. They’re demanding you change your free speech law, your internal political system, and that’s the future if we let it happen.

“But Australia has America as a backstop. But if we let China get to the point where China can subordinate America then we and those who are allied with us are finished – we have no America.”
But Colby wrote the 2018 National Defence Strategy as a Pentagon official in the Trump administration. How does the Biden administration see it?

One clue. Joe Biden says that America is “competing with China to win the 21st century”.

Another clue. While US Secretary of State Antony Blinken was engaged in intensive negotiations to avert war in Ukraine, he made the long flight to Melbourne two weeks ago for the meeting of foreign ministers of the four Indo-Pacific Quad nations – Australia, India, Japan and the US.

His visit to Australia in the midst of the Ukraine crisis “only reinforces the point that, for us, as a Pacific nation ourselves, we see the future, we see it here, and you have got to keep focus on the core thing even as you deal with the challenge of the moment,” Blinken told me. So, for Blinken, Russia is the moment. China is the future.

A third clue. The Biden administration’s interim national security strategic guidance says that China “is the only competitor potentially capable of combining its economic, diplomatic, military, and technological power to mount a sustained challenge to a stable and open international system”.

OK, so China is uniquely dangerous to the US, the Trump and Biden people agree. But isn’t Russia a scary big power? China might be the long-term danger, but isn’t Russia the immediate threat?

Russia’s economy is ranked number 11 by GDP at about $US1.65 trillion, using market prices. This is smaller than South Korea’s or Canada’s and only a smidgin bigger than Australia’s $US1.61 trillion. China’s, on the other hand, is three-quarters the size of America’s and 10 times the size of Russia’s. Moscow has a formidable nuclear and conventional military, but it’s ageing and cannot keep up with the cutting-edge powers of the US and China.

Colby says that China, once again, is unique, “the largest economy to emerge in the international system since the US itself. There’s an implicit tendency to dismiss China, to say that it’s not as real as the numbers suggest. But if China gets to the same per capita income level of Japan, they will be something like three times the size of our economy. And many Chinese are well below middle-income level at the moment, so they have plenty of catch-up growth opportunity.”

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America is preoccupied by Xi Jinping’s China, not Putin’s Russia.

As for the short-term threat versus the long-term: “People say, China is a long-term problem,” Colby says. “My response is: It’s a long-term problem like acute heart disease. Sure, it’s long-term and you need to change what you eat and your workout regimen but, if you don’t address the blockage now, you’ll still get killed before you’re able to worry about the long term.”

By comparison, Russia is but “a pale shadow of China, given the size of their economy”.

But doesn’t the US have the capacity to deal with both Russia and China? The days of overweening American power are gone. The main China adviser to the Biden White House, the National Security Council’s Rush Doshi, wrote this before he was called to government service: “Sheer size suggests it is likely that Beijing – unlike the Soviets – could eventually generate and spend more [his emphasis] resources on competition than the US.”

In his 2021 book The Long Game: China’s Grand Strategy to Displace American Order, Doshi made clear that the US is now on the defensive: “The US cannot compete with China symmetrically – that is, dollar-for-dollar, ship-for-ship, or loan-for-loan – in part because of China’s sheer relative size.”

In other words, America won’t defend Ukraine because it’s seized with the all-consuming urgency of defending itself.


If this is true, then:

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Why should the US defend Ukraine when Ukraine is NOT a NATO member?
Were Iraq ,Syria and Libya NATO members where you meddled and sent forces to outpower Gaddafi regime?
Oh wait their militaries there not as hard and sophisticated as Russian military,so in that case you have to go I there to protect your called freedom,peace and justice values.

RSSR - Reunion of Soviet Socialist Republics. Open invite to all former nations and independent states.
Not at all possible. Communism has no future in this world anymore. In today's world Russians won't buy any communistic idea. Though as history of Russia suggests it can form another block or alliance or simply increase its land mass and take back lands which were part of Russia centuries ago.
 
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What about the Cuban missile crisis in 1960s?
And, how did that end?

US Naval blockade, followed by Soviet withdrawal and 2 years later, the Soviet leader was deposed.

 
And, how did that end?

US Naval blockade, followed by Soviet withdrawal and 2 years later, the Soviet leader was deposed.

If you read the whole story, US promised to remove nukes from somewhere in return for Russian leaving Cuba. It's not all US victory as painted by Western media.
 
If you read the whole story, US promised to remove nukes from somewhere in return for Russian leaving Cuba. It's not all US victory as painted by Western media.
US promised to remove ballistic missiles from Turkey.

Guess what though, USSR eventually disintegrated while the US today has all sorts of weaponary deployed on the Russian border.
 
US promised to remove ballistic missiles from Turkey.

Guess what though, USSR eventually disintegrated while the US today has all sorts of weaponary deployed on the Russian border.
I think they did remove it, but is secretly storing it in incirlik again after the collapse . US putting weapons near Russia is what which created this mess mate. You are proud of this?
 
From the way things are going in Ukraine, America do not need to defend Ukraine because China is walking away from Ukraine.
 
Can anyone update what Biden said in March 1st State of Union address on TV ??
 
Yes, China will walk away from Taiwan as well.
You Americans have a habit of talking smack about your weaker ill equipped enemies and then getting your asses kicked.

Your military successes were either carried by some other ethnicities or people propped up by you. Or countries who were already very weak economically and militarily. Or were made weak by coward sanctions together by your cronies.

Going all the way back to Spanish American war. All your wars started based on yellow dot journalism and lies. In almost all your conflicts some USN ship is conveniently nearby and is attacked. So you can go in and annihiliate countries weaker than you.

You set the charge, prep the primer, light the fuse, wait for it to blow up. Then storm down from helicopters like Team America. You train and fund proxies, tell them through liason officers to do some beheadings. Then show up as world police to solve the problem. Did you learn this from your own corrupt police that plants fake evidence on suspects??


Jhungary and Hamartia couldn't handle it. So they passed the ticket up to you. Damn? Got me feeling cocky man. Sheesh
 
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