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America’s Indian Rebuff

bhagat

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It’s surprising and hurtful when your new best friend turns round and pokes you in the eye. But that’s essentially what India has just done to the United States, with a major arms deal the source of the affront.
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Remember this was meant to be the strategic partnership with an air of historic inevitability about it: India and the United States, the world’s two biggest democracies, linking arms to help manage the rise of China, a country seen more as a rival than a partner in both Washington and New Delhi.

The relationship had been on the up and up until, at the end of April, India delivered a surprising snub. Neither Boeing nor Lockheed Martin, the two US defence primes bidding for a lucrative Indian Air Force (IAF) contract, had even made it onto the selectors’ shortlist, the Indian government announced, with France’s Dassault and the European EADS consortium winning through at their expense.

For the United States it was a double-whammy: both a commercial and a strategic reverse. The deal is for 126 fighter jets worth $11 billion, and, as the biggest defence export tender currently open anywhere, it was a painful one to watch slip away. Perhaps more importantly, India, through its decision, placed a value on its strategic partnership with the United States, and that value, we now know, isn’t so high as to give the US a leg-up in this kind of open contest.

The United States wasn’t anticipating failure. President Barack Obama visited India in November to lobby on behalf of the US entrants, and India had only recently signed up to buy US-built reconnaissance and transport aircraft, as well as clinching a ground-breaking civil nuclear deal with Washington in 2008. The US ambassador to India, Timothy J. Roemer, made no attempt to hide his country’s ‘deep disappointment’ at India’s choice and promptly resigned, it was widely assumed, in utter dismay.

Why, then, would India elect to burn the fingers of its US partner? The answer is that while it would be naive to suggest that the awarding of major arms contracts isn’t a political decision, it’s certainly a technical decision as well. And technically, Boeing’s F/A-18 Super Hornet or Lockheed Martin’s F-16IN just didn’t light any fires amongst the IAF top brass—an assessment that stunned US analysts, who thought that the Super Hornet, in particular, was a strong contender. ‘There was surprise in India at the extent of the US disappointment,’ says Rahul Roy-Chaudhury, head of the South Asia programme at the International Institute of Strategic Studies. ‘But the Indian mindset was that this deal wasn’t about cementing relationships, it was about getting the best deal. The Indian view is that the Americans should have offered better aircraft.’

The Americans also fell down on technology transfer, an essential concession nowadays when selling defence kit to developing but politically powerful countries like India, and they failed to iron out their prohibitive end user agreements, which the IAF find pretty tiresome to deal with. ‘If the US had really reformed its processes and said to the Indians, “You’re our partners, you’re our equals,” then the F-18 would have had a very strong chance,’ reckons aviation analyst Richard Aboulafia, who is vice president at the Teal Group. ‘That’s the approach the Europeans took—they came and said, “We need you.” I hope this is a rude awakening for (the US defence sector).’ The memory of the United States’ refusal to export critical aircraft parts to India during the 1999 Kargil conflict with Pakistan also still rankles in Indian political-military circles. The new plane is to be India’s front-line fighter, and some Indian decision-makers don’t yet trust the United States enough to buy such a core capability from them.

All the US can do, Aboulafia says, is take this defeat on the chin. India still has tens of billions to spend on upgrading its military and it remains an indispensible strategic partner. For its part, New Delhi has made a clear statement that it can be a US ally, but never a client.:agree:
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So as an Ally what can India offer to US?

US has already faced Indian blackmailing viz a viz the deal mentioned in the article. And we hear the bharatis saying on this very forum that US is now bowing to Indian policy against Pakistan
 
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So as an Ally what can India offer to US?

US has already faced Indian blackmailing viz a viz the deal mentioned in the article. And we hear the bharatis saying on this very forum that US is now bowing to Indian policy against Pakistan

The US needs India more than India needing the US.

With money in your pockets the buyer chooses the vendor. Only when you want it on credit or gratis is one lumped with the corner store.
 
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The US needs India more than India needing the US.

With money in your pockets the buyer chooses the vendor. Only when you want it on credit or gratis is one lumped with the corner store.

US will find more ways to mint money from you or others thats another point.

the write up said India can be ally to US but not vendor . i am asking what you can offer US as an ally in strategic terms?
 
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So as an Ally what can India offer to US?

US has already faced Indian blackmailing viz a viz the deal mentioned in the article. And we hear the bharatis saying on this very forum that US is now bowing to Indian policy against Pakistan

india di shaan vakhri!!!!!!!
 
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US will find more ways to mint money from you or others thats another point.

the write up said India can be ally to US but not vendor . i am asking what you can offer US as an ally in strategic terms?

For India, self interest trumps all. US will suck up to India because India equals money, more so in coming decades. Ally and all the BS is for countries who have nothing else to offer. Why should India be an "ally" of US if next door PureLand is already an ally and reaping all the rewards that come with that alliance.
 
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For India, self interest trumps all. US will suck up to India because India equals money, more so in coming decades. Ally and all the BS is for countries who have nothing else to offer. Why should India be an "ally" of US if next door PureLand is already an ally and reaping all the rewards that come with that alliance.

the ally BS Is coming from your kamasutra land not from pureland so the kamasutra land needs to explain in what context you are saying that you are ready to be ally but not never a client .
 
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the ally BS Is coming from your kamasutra land not from pureland so the kamasutra land needs to explain in what context you are saying that you are ready to be ally but not never a client .

No need to get this frustrated because you cannot get laid or get aroused just by seeing hand of a woman. Your unnatural interest in affairs of India is curious. PureLand is ally of US. India has some interests that it shares with US just like it has interests it shares with China or Japan or UK. Now India cannot be an "ally" like PureLand, if that's what you were asking...
 
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US will find more ways to mint money from you or others thats another point.

the write up said India can be ally to US but not vendor . i am asking what you can offer US as an ally in strategic terms?

- a huge market for their products, be it civillian, or now the defence related as well
- an Asian counterweight to China in the economic sense, especially when Japan and S. Korea are tumbling at the moment
- an influential UNC power
- a possible military threat to China on their western borders, that China need to keep an eye on, that requires the division of their forces around the country, instead of having a strong force in the east alone
- a capable naval power in the Indian Ocean to block the oil supply routes to the east, in case of a conflict between the US and China

All these are possible advantages IF India would be an ally of the US, but as a matter of fact, India prefers to be independent and follows its own interests, a lesson the US might have learned now.
 
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the ally BS Is coming from your kamasutra land not from pureland so the kamasutra land needs to explain in what context you are saying that you are ready to be ally but not never a client .

reasons are business related!!!!!!
they want to be a part of the fundings to be invested in development of india in trillions..
not every nation looks as poverty as shame for criticizing other;)..few see as oppurtunity for investment
 
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- a huge market for their products, be it civillian, or now the defence related as well
- an Asian counterweight to China in the economic sense, especially when Japan and S. Korea are tumbling at the moment
- an influential UNC power
- a possible military threat to China on their western borders, that China need to keep an eye on, that requires the division of their forces around the country, instead of having a strong force in the east alone
- a capable naval power in the Indian Ocean to block the oil supply routes to the east, in case of a conflict between the US and China

All these are possible advantages IF India would be an ally of the US, but as a matter of fact, India prefers to be independent and follows its own interests, a lesson the US might have learned now.

Sancho most of these you mentioned are economic ones which the writer of the stuff has already denied .

as far as in strategic terms its more to do with CHINA as mentioned by you. so how you are going to benefit US viz a viz containing China practically ???
 
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No need to get this frustrated because you cannot get laid or get aroused just by seeing hand of a woman.


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Your unnatural interest in affairs of India is curious.

lolzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz well look around and see the number of bharatis on this forum so i wonder if their interests in Pakistani affairs is unnatural or what?


PureLand is ally of US. India has some interests that it shares with US just like it has interests it shares with China or Japan or UK. Now India cannot be an "ally" like PureLand, if that's what you were asking...

hmmm but how can bharat be an ally of US at the same time guarding its interests with CHINA when specially you can be an ally only if you do US job of containing CHINA.
 
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US will find more ways to mint money from you or others thats another point.

the write up said India can be ally to US but not vendor . i am asking what you can offer US as an ally in strategic terms?

The ans to this Q can best be given by US.

It is for them to assess what they want from India and it is for India to decide how much of what US wants can be given by India & at what terms.

The geography , economy , political process, aims & aspirations of the nation are known to those who engage with India.None of these can / will change.
 
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