America is hacking other countries with stealthy submarines

[ashok321]

The capabilities USA posses in the field of Networking are far far advanced than any other country in the world. USA is the creator of the internet and every country follows them.'

The microchips, operating systems, processors and servers are all designed and manufactured in USA, they know the loopholes and everything in Internet.

Other countries only follow the trend given by USA in this field. It is like saying that the capabilities of GOD are less than humans because humans know cloning.

You said the following:

This is an illusion, USA owns the internet !

But your answer is diverted from ownership to capabilities = Chalk & cheese.
Lack of preponderance.

Stick to ownership please.

 

[jhungary]

US has no patent on Internet.
There are many servers outside of the US.
Chunk in EU-China-Russia.

the US technically own the internet by owning 2 distinct Company

ICANN Internet Corporation for Assigned Names and Numbers (Under Contract to Department of Commerce)

ICANN Responsible for DHCP/DNS allocation, which is a domain naming and translation of IP Address to Domain Name. ICANN make up rules and set up DCHP and DNS service to company world wide.

ICANN Headquarter is located Playa Vista, CA.

https://www.icann.org/resources/pages/what-2012-02-25-en
https://tools.ietf.org/html/rfc2860

IANA Internet Assigned Numbers Authority (Under Contract by Department of Defence, now folded into ICANN as a single department)

IANA handle IP registration and Allocation, IANA sold IP Blocks to private web host and it manage and develop IP protocol.

https://www.iana.org/

As long as the world internet uses DHCP, DNS and IP, all three were governed by a US Company under contract by the Department of Commerce. So, yes, US technically own the internet in a sense that it control the regulator. Also, TCP (as in TCP/IP), one of the building block of the modern internet, is patented to Microsoft. You can technically communicate with IP only between computer as a peer to peer network, but you cannot bridge a network to another network without a TCP.

Countries are beating the Americans at their own game. China and Russia are cyber hacking the US on a daily basis and this is an open secret.

If you hear these story everyday, which mean they tried and not succeed.

A good hack is when you hack your host and they don't even know you were there, country like China or Russia is what we called a "Primary Hacker" which mean they hack for information, instead of going the blaze of glory like many white hat does. If China and Russia want to hack the US, they would want to remain anonymous. Because if they were known to their success in public, the US would simply change its system.

The fact that you saw news that China and Russia or North Korea hacking the US everyday is not a good sign for china and russia, when is the last time you heard news about how US hack anybody? Disregarding the Snowden Fiasco, The last major story is in 1990s when the DOD hack Russia Military (Specifically the Nuclear Missile data), since then there were virtually no news about US hacking, so, do you believe the US have not hack anyone since 1990s?

 

[ashok321]

the US technically own the internet by owning 2 distinct Company

Just because the UNO headquarter is in the US, it does not mean that the UNO belongs to the US.

Ownership has its own unique characteristics:

I own S class. I have its papers, Even my wife is not allowed to drive it.
I can sell it.

Can the US sell its product/service = Internet?
No.

Can the US tell other nations to not use it ?
No.

What is the ownership then?

 

[Srinivas]

You said the following:

This is an illusion, USA owns the internet !

But your answer is diverted from ownership to capabilities = Chalk & cheese.
Lack of preponderance.

Stick to ownership please.

I have written the reasons behind the USA's dominance. You can read and decide yourself .... There is absolutely no need that we both agree or I have to convince you.

 

[LeGenD]

Countries are beating the Americans at their own game. China and Russia are cyber hacking the US on a daily basis and this is an open secret.

You sure about that? Perhaps not.

I will give a hint: NSA (the most powerful spying agency in the world). The tales of its cyber crimes are acquiring legendary status with passage of time. Thanks in part to revelations from the likes of Edward Snowden.

 

[ashok321]

I have written the reasons behind the USA's dominance. You can read and decide yourself .... There is absolutely no need that we both agree or I have to convince you.

Ownership vs Dominance?

 

[jhungary]

Just because the UNO headquarter is in the US, it does not mean that the UNO belongs to the US.

Ownership has its own unique characteristics:

I own S class. I have its papers, Even my wife is not allowed to drive it.
I can sell it.

Can the US sell its product/service = Internet?
No.

Can the US tell other nations to not use it ?
No.

What is the ownership then?


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Depending on what you are counting as "Ownership", and you are confusing something abstract (such as internet) and something tangible (such as a car)

Ownership can either be tangible rights (ie, sell, trade or transfer of an actual item) or intellectual right (ie, develop, control and management of an item or concept) in this case, the US owns the internet as in intellectual right.

Not everything is tangible, internet is not something we can touch, and hence all ownership goes to intellectual properties, ie, a country can control which country use what and usage in what capacity..

Can the world use the internet without IP, TCP, DNS, DCHP? What if Microsoft (The intellectual properties owner of TCP) suspended the world wide service agreement of TCP and only allow company in the US access to TCP technology? Can you still use internet in China, India or Pakistan? What if ICANN suspended the right to give and access domain name outside of the United States, can you still access yahoo.com or any website in India, Pakistan and China? What if IANA decided to roll IP number back and only allow allocation to US company only, would you still be able to use IP in Pakistan, India and China?

And between Microsoft, ICANN and IANA, these 3 companies control most of the internet flow and manage their product to service the internet as we know it, but get this, both ICANN and IANA are both under contract with the United States Department of Commerce. So, to answer your question

Can the US sell its product/service = Internet?

Yes, since IANA sell, control and manage IP number as a block, if IANA decided not to sell IP number block to any country, you cannot use them and since Internet is build upon IP, so YES, they are the one selling you internet service in block. You cannot use internet without both DNS and IP.

Can the US tell other nations to not use it ?

Yes, IANA, ICANN can suspend user agreement upon both DNS and IP to other country, IANA and ICANN do not need to tell other nation not to use it, they simply stop their product from being use in other country, they can simply stop supplying Domain Name and IP to a third country. Again, IANA and ICANN both in contract with the US government, hence US Government can technically stop any country from accessing the internet via DNS and IP

Again, as I said, you can still access peer to peer network without DNS, DCHP, IP and TCP, but that would not be the same as the concept of "INTERNET", it would just be a close circuit network, which one network would have to be independent to each other.

 

[gambit]

actually quantum satellite does not work that way. it is a point to point protocol, unless what you are doing is launching 2 satellites for every governmental office in China, some to most of the network is unsecure.

Also, quantum communication does not mean they are unhackable, you just know by the quantum bits that someone have access the data and it was not in original form, and you know how you can hack a quantum computer? Use another quantum computer.

Hey...He used the word 'quantum' in a sentence. That means he knows all there is to know, from today to the future, on what is 'quantum'.

 

[jhungary]

You sure about that? Perhaps not.

I will give a hint: NSA (the most powerful spying agency in the world). The tales of its cyber crimes are acquiring legendary status with passage of time. Thanks in part to revelations from the likes of Edward Snowden.

I would have to say, the Snowden revelation is give rise to the hype of US Cyber Warfare capability, basically, he had revealed that the US can touch anything and everything with or without the other permission. And the scale is global.

Personally, I would have love to live in a world without knowing this, but this revelation is just too immense and you cannot stop but feel the awe of the might of US Cyber Warfare unit.

 

[ashok321]

Depending on what you are counting as "Ownership", and you are confusing something abstract (such as internet) and something tangible (such as a car)

Ownership can either be tangible rights (ie, sell, trade or transfer of an actual item) or intellectual right (ie, develop, control and management of an item or concept) in this case, the US owns the internet as in intellectual right.

Not everything is tangible, internet is not something we can touch, and hence all ownership goes to intellectual properties, ie, a country can control which country use what and usage in what capacity..

Can the world use the internet without IP, TCP, DNS, DCHP? What if Microsoft (The intellectual properties owner of TCP) suspended the world wide service agreement of TCP and only allow company in the US access to TCP technology? Can you still use internet in China, India or Pakistan? What if ICANN suspended the right to give and access domain name outside of the United States, can you still access yahoo.com or any website in India, Pakistan and China? What if IANA decided to roll IP number back and only allow allocation to US company only, would you still be able to use IP in Pakistan, India and China?

And between Microsoft, ICANN and IANA, these 3 companies control most of the internet flow and manage their product to service the internet as we know it, but get this, both ICANN and IANA are both under contract with the United States Department of Commerce. So, to answer your question



Yes, since IANA sell, control and manage IP number as a block, if IANA decided not to sell IP number block to any country, you cannot use them and since Internet is build upon IP, so YES, they are the one selling you internet service in block. You cannot use internet without both DNS and IP.



Yes, IANA, ICANN can suspend user agreement upon both DNS and IP to other country, IANA and ICANN do not need to tell other nation not to use it, they simply stop their product from being use in other country, they can simply stop supplying Domain Name and IP to a third country. Again, IANA and ICANN both in contract with the US government, hence US Government can technically stop any country from accessing the internet via DNS and IP

Your logic means:

Since Russia has the biggest landmass = Territory in the world, they own the earth.

You are not able to debunk the following:

 

[jhungary]

Hey...He used the word 'quantum' in a sentence. That means he knows all there is to know, from today to the future, on what is 'quantum'.

meh, I thought he used the word "Quantum" to make him look big......I mean this is such a big word and all...

Your logic means:

Since Russia has the biggest landmass = Territory in the world, they own the earth.

You are not able to debunk the following:

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Iol did you actually look at what I said?

The US control the Internet by controlling both DNS (Domain Naming Service) and IP (Internet Protocol), you cannot use internet today without using either DNS and IP.

It have nothing to do with mass or majority, these company is under direct control of US government, they have the right to say who get what, and that, by definition, is owning the Intellectual Right to the Internet.

I do not need to debunk any random comment throw at people, again, please do answer this question.

Can the rest of the world use the current form of Internet without DCHP, DNS, IP and TCP? All of which are registered and patented technology from the United States

And if your answer is no, then US "OWN" The internet, and if your answer is yes, I would like to see your argument.

 

[LeGenD]

Your logic means:

Since Russia has the biggest landmass = Territory in the world, they own the earth.

You are not able to debunk the following:

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You expect Webopedia to disclose the dirty details and secrets? You need a wake-up call, my friend.

 

[ashok321]

Iol did you actually look at what I said?

You may say what you may.

However you are going against the conventional wisdom.

You are resting on (merely) on couple of technicalities, as if these are end of the world?

More than what you have listed as a technical factor, let me ask you the following:

Can the world use the Internet without the satellites or undersea cables?

Who owns these two crucial mediums through which global Internet has become possible?

The US?

Its a massive communication jumble and the world is part of it.

Do not indulge with me like a toddler.

 

[jhungary]

More than what you have listed as a technical factor, let me ask you the following:

Can the world use the Internet without the satellites or undersea cables?

You do know you can still uses internet without Satellite and Undersea cable, right? Heard of WIFI, Microwave, and Atmospheric Communication?

You do not need Satellite and Undersea Cable to use internet, but you do need IP, TCP, DNS, DHCP to use internet.

Actually, do you even know WHAT IS INTERNET??

Internet stand for "INTERconnected NETwork", in the smallest form, an internet is to connect two distinct network in different location, it may have been on the same street, same city, same country, same continent or different continent.

You do not need satellite at all in any internet service, unless you want to access internet in space, and you do not need undersea cable if the two or more site is located in the same continent (ie, connecting servers from US and Columbia)

So, to answer our question, no, you do not need satellite and undersea cable to access internet, but you will need IP, TCP, DHCP and DNS to access internet.

 

[ashok321]

@jhungary

Kido, please learn some:

QUOTE:

As mentioned earlier, the Internet works because of a system of rules called protocols. By following these protocols, computers can send information across the network to other computers. If there were no protocols, then there'd be no guarantee that the information sent from one computer could be understood by another, or that it'd even reach the right destination.

As the Internet evolves, these protocols must also change. That means someone has to be in charge of the rules. There are several organizations that oversee the Internet's infrastructure and protocols.


Do not diminish your standing here:

Your worthless dialogue is pitted against the conclusion of Giants of Industry players who say no (one) single entity own the Internet which is widespread Internet Infrastructure.

How many and which country receives its net through microwaves out of 200 global countries?

Possibility is something, practicality and actual occurrence is different.

Typical example for a persistent kido:

Is it possible for a 500 pounder sumo wrestler to walk a tight rope?
Yes.
But has anyone seen any?
There you go.

So in a nutshell, no, the US does not own the Internet.

Now do not tag me any more.
Or I will have to ignore you.